TDF: Pace up big climbs?

"Shayne Wissler" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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About what kind of pace are the pros keeping up climbs like Alp D' Huez and Tourmalet? From the TV
screen it looked like Lance was going around 15-20MPH up Tourmalet when he left Ulrich behind.

22 k/h is a darn good Armstrong pace up a climb of Huez-ish gradient. 15-20
mi/h is right out of the question, even on an attack.

Shayne Wissler said:

About what kind of pace are the pros keeping up climbs like Alp D' Huez and Tourmalet? From the TV
screen it looked like Lance was going around 15-20MPH up Tourmalet when he left Ulrich behind.

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I live in SLC, Utah, and looking at the best times on the last Snowbird hill climb it's around
45min. This climb is somewhat comparable to Alp D' Huez

From where? The 7/11 at the mouth of Big Cottonwood? Or at the Canyon entrance sign?

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(at least going by stats). What would Lance do on this hill assuming a good day? Half an hour?

Are you nutz?

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Shayne

"Shayne Wissler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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About what kind of pace are the pros keeping up climbs like Alp D' Huez

and

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Tourmalet? From the TV screen it looked like Lance was going around

15-20MPH

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up Tourmalet when he left Ulrich behind.

I live in SLC, Utah, and looking at the best times on the last Snowbird

hill

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climb it's around 45min. This climb is somewhat comparable to Alp D' Huez (at least going by
stats). What would Lance do on this hill assuming a

good

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day? Half an hour?

Alpe d'Huez is steeper (7.7% vs 6.6%), and LA has done it at 13-14mph average speed, depending on
year. So figure 14-15 mph for a ballpark and that gives you 40-42 minutes for the 10-mile Snowbird
climb. Of course if it were just a short mtn. TT with fresh legs and not the end of a long day,
figure maybe a 37-something. And yeah, he was probably doing 16-18mph for a bit when he gapped Mayo
and Ulrich on Luz Ardiden.

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"Shayne Wissler" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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About what kind of pace are the pros keeping up climbs like Alp D' Huez and Tourmalet? From the
TV screen it looked like Lance was going around 15-20MPH up Tourmalet when he left Ulrich
behind.

22 k/h is a darn good Armstrong pace up a climb of Huez-ish gradient.

15-20

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mi/h is right out of the question, even on an attack.

Disagree.

Rominger's pace up Mt. Palomar in the winter was ~14.5 mph.

4200 vertical ft. 7.75% average gradient.

In the winter, training (albeit fast), not racing.

Good local pros can do 12.5-13.5 mph.

The pace up L'Alpe may be slower because they've already traversed (in race conditions) 2 other
hors' categorie climbs.

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Shayne Wissler said:

About what kind of pace are the pros keeping up climbs like Alp D' Huez

and

Quoted message said:

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Tourmalet? From the TV screen it looked like Lance was going around

15-20MPH

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up Tourmalet when he left Ulrich behind.

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I live in SLC, Utah, and looking at the best times on the last Snowbird

hill

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climb it's around 45min. This climb is somewhat comparable to Alp D'

Huez

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From where? The 7/11 at the mouth of Big Cottonwood? Or at the Canyon entrance sign?

There's a Smith's a few miles down the road (9400 S. 2000 E.). See
sports-am.com36.htmOpen ↗

The times for last year are at:

sports-am.com2002%20Snowbird%20Hill%20Climb%2EhOpen ↗ tm

The best time was 46:35.

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(at least going by stats). What would Lance do on this hill assuming a

good

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day? Half an hour?

Are you nutz?

I just don't have a good feel for how powerful he is, especially if he hadn't already ridden 100
miles previous to the hill climb.

Shayne

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"Shayne Wissler" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

About what kind of pace are the pros keeping up climbs like Alp D' Huez and Tourmalet? From the
TV screen it looked like Lance was going around 15-20MPH up Tourmalet when he left Ulrich
behind.

22 k/h is a darn good Armstrong pace up a climb of Huez-ish gradient. 15-20
mi/h is right out of the question, even on an attack.

I forget, but I think Pantani's speed up Alpe D'Huez was 17 mph. This is pretty incredible, so
someone should check me.

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"Shayne Wissler" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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About what kind of pace are the pros keeping up climbs like Alp D' Huez and Tourmalet? From the TV
screen it looked like Lance was going around 15-20MPH up Tourmalet when he left Ulrich behind.

22 k/h is a darn good Armstrong pace up a climb of Huez-ish gradient. 15-20
mi/h is right out of the question, even on an attack.

Miguel Indurain was clocked at 32kph over the summit of the Tourmalet one year, holding out
Chiappucci for the KOM points. OK, so that's only for the last 500m or so, but it's still fairly
steep up there.

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"Clovis Lark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Shayne Wissler said:

About what kind of pace are the pros keeping up climbs like Alp D' Huez

and

Quoted message said:

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Tourmalet? From the TV screen it looked like Lance was going around

15-20MPH

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up Tourmalet when he left Ulrich behind.

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I live in SLC, Utah, and looking at the best times on the last Snowbird

hill

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climb it's around 45min. This climb is somewhat comparable to Alp D'

Huez

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From where? The 7/11 at the mouth of Big Cottonwood? Or at the Canyon entrance sign?

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There's a Smith's a few miles down the road (9400 S. 2000 E.). See
sports-am.com36.htmOpen ↗

OK, I know where that is. Shorter distance than from the Porcupine Grille.

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The times for last year are at:

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sports-am.com2002%20Snowbird%20Hill%20Climb%2EhOpen ↗ tm

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The best time was 46:35.

Still some pretty impressive stomping!

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(at least going by stats). What would Lance do on this hill assuming a

good

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day? Half an hour?

Are you nutz?

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I just don't have a good feel for how powerful he is, especially if he hadn't already ridden 100
miles previous to the hill climb.

They should change the time for the Porcupine Hill climb and invite him to participate, since it
benefits cancer victims. Compare his time to the others? Little Cottonwood is steeper, but you'd
need an incentive, eh? Anyway, both climbs gain only half the elevation of the Alpe, and less
compared to the Tourmalet.

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Shayne

Arthur Ogus said:

I forget, but I think Pantani's speed up Alpe D'Huez was 17 mph. This is pretty incredible, so
someone should check me.

No. It was slower, than you think. Pantani's record is at 37:35 min for the
13.8 km. This makes a speed of about 22 km/h or a bit less than 14 miles/h. It was 1997 (IIRC), a
year, where that stage was rather easy compared to other years.

Dieter

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> (at least going by stats). What would Lance do on this hill assuming

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good

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> day? Half an hour?

Are you nutz?

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I just don't have a good feel for how powerful he is, especially if he hadn't already ridden 100
miles previous to the hill climb.

They should change the time for the Porcupine Hill climb and invite him to participate, since it
benefits cancer victims. Compare his time to the others? Little Cottonwood is steeper, but you'd
need an incentive, eh?

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Anyway, both climbs gain only half the elevation of the Alpe, and less compared to the Tourmalet.

Perhaps this is bad info: geocities.comClimbs6.htmOpen ↗

But it says that Alp D' Huez is 3580 ft. of elevation gain. The Snowbird hill climb is
around 3500 ft.

Shayne

You can see the profile of the stage of 1997, where Marco made the record up to at L'Alpe D'Huez

letour.frEtape13.swfOpen ↗

Basically, there was no major climb before L'Alpe D'Huez in that year.
37:45 for the 13.8 km or 1128 m of vertical altitude (1800m/h).

Dieter

Shayne Wissler said:

"Clovis Lark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > (at least going by stats). What would Lance do on this hill assuming

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> Are you nutz?

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I just don't have a good feel for how powerful he is, especially if he hadn't already ridden
100 miles previous to the hill climb.

They should change the time for the Porcupine Hill climb and invite him to participate, since it
benefits cancer victims. Compare his time to the others? Little Cottonwood is steeper, but you'd
need an incentive, eh?

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?

TO get him to come and do something not related to cancer benefit or tour prep.

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Anyway, both climbs gain only half the elevation of the Alpe, and less compared to the Tourmalet.

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Perhaps this is bad info: geocities.comClimbs6.htmOpen ↗

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But it says that Alp D' Huez is 3580 ft. of elevation gain. The Snowbird hill climb is around
3500 ft.

My mistake, I took the Final elevation as the difference. They are close, though Mill Creek is more
the length of the Alpe though only 2700ft gain (unless you start at 9th East)...

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Shayne