TdF (no spoilers)

Peter B said:

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And of course you fall over if you try to walk - but if I wanted to walk I wouldn't have brought
the bike :-)

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Yebbut sooner or later you have to get off it.

I can ride to my front door, provided the MDG is not parked across the front path :-)

Guy

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Not me said:

the man for me, though it's doubtful he'll win, is Hamilton

Undoubtedly "man of the match"

Guy

Just zis Guy said:

logically I should be supporting Vino who is on fantastic form or David "British" Millar

"Note to all reporters: after Millar got dropped on the first hill today he is now officially
'Scottish' until he redeems himself with a win"

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It's like this: in the past I could watch the Tour on TV and enjoy it, because I didn't care who
won. Now I do. I really want Lance to pick up that fifth Tour - I have no idea why, logically I
should be supporting Vino who is on fantastic form or David "British" Millar, or just not caring
because there are some truly amazing riders in there this year, Mayo, Hamilton, Vinrenque and
Ullrich to name but a few.

But for some reason I want Lance to win - and in my experience whenever I want someone to win,
they don't :-(

His post race interview a few stages ago surprised me. He was berating the riders who had been
attacking him on the stage.

Perhaps I'm missing something somewhere, but I thought the idea of a race was to win.

I would like to see Ullrich win. He is making a race of it, not sitting safely in the pack letting
others do all the work.

Bill

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Garry Broad said:

It seems to me that all the other top riders are more concerned with only *stopping* him than
actually 'going for it'

The fact is that in order to win the Tour you have to beat the Texan. The fact that he is a strong
favourite to win, and an awesome force on a bike, makes it much easier to focus on "beat Lance"
than a nebulous "win the Tour" I suppose - the tactics this year have not favoured him, for sure,
but he does seem to be keeping his cool. Whether he's keeping something in reserve for the
Pyrenees we'll just have to wait and see. He hasn't produced any of his dazzling sprints up slopes
like the side of a house this year so far.

I reckon tomorrow and Wednesday are the big days, after that it's all flat. I've got my parents into
watching it, probably a bad thing though. Still, I've got Eurosport at my home too. However, they
did start calling me to see what I thought 'about the result', and thus bringing the spoilers direct
to my mobile!

It's the first one I have really watched thoroughly absorbed. I want Lance to win, but also Ullrich
and Vido would also be worthy winners. Five times is special though.

I agree. Come on Ulrich.

I used to like Lance Armstrong, I met him on a couple of occasions at stage starts before he had to
have his enforced lay off, my wife got his autograph in Leeds. I am enjoying this tour because he as
some competition and he is not several minutes ahead.

I have been following the tour since 1987, been at the roadside for 11 of them including 1989, and
in that time I have lived through the Indurain and Armstrong years, their style of tour has really
made for a dull race IMHO, this year is better as others believe that Lance is beatable.

I hope it comes to a showdown with Ullrich on Saturday in the TT.

Chapeau to Tyler Hamilton.

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It's like this: in the past I could watch the Tour on TV and enjoy it, because I didn't care who
won. Now I do. I really want Lance to pick up that fifth Tour - I have no idea why, logically I
should be supporting Vino who is on fantastic form or David "British" Millar, or just not caring
because there are some truly amazing riders in there this year, Mayo, Hamilton, Vinrenque and
Ullrich to name but a few.

But for some reason I want Lance to win - and in my experience whenever I want someone to win,
they don't :-(

So now I can't bear to watch the Tour live, even thoughI'm at Mums and they have cable and
ITV2 and [censored], I'll just have to go back to reading the results and then watching Liggett's
Hour on tape.

A hopeless case.

Guy

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I have been following the tour since 1987,

It only started a fortnight ago..............;-)

elyob said:

I reckon tomorrow and Wednesday are the big days, after that it's all flat.

If there aren't any big gains/losses in the next two days, the time trial on Saturday becomes
the big day.

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It's the first one I have really watched thoroughly absorbed. I want Lance to win, but also
Ullrich and Vido would also be worthy winners. Five times is special though.

Its the best one for me so far since Lemond beat Fignon by 8 seconds on the last day - a time trial
to the finish line in Paris. For me, Armstong's potential achievment of a fifth win somehow needs to
be supplemented by maybe winning one of the other competitions as well for me to place him high up
within the increasing band of cyclists who have managed 5. Perhaps if he did something like break
the hour record, I might also be more impressed, but he does seem to concentrate on the single goal
of winning the TdF. Now he's getting some real competition for that, I agree its exciting stuff.

My prediction is Vino in yellow coming out of the mountains (by seconds), and Ulrich to win it on
the time trial. If Lance wins it, it will be hard fought and very well deserved, though.

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Chapeau to Tyler Hamilton.

Now thats a "barmy Merkin"

Amazing!

Richard Webb

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Just zis Guy said:

logically I should be supporting Vino who is on fantastic form or David "British" Millar

"Note to all reporters: after Millar got dropped on the first hill today he is now officially
'Scottish' until he redeems himself with a win"

Oh dear, that old chestnut. A true testament to how oppressed the scottish are (!)

I note that there is a young cyclist riding for scotland, who has an english father, and an educated
guess suggests that he's lived in england all his life.

Jim Price <[email hidden]> wrote:

: the last day - a time trial to the finish line in Paris. For me, Armstong's potential achievment
: of a fifth win somehow needs to be supplemented by maybe winning one of the other competitions as
: well for

People keep saying this, but I don't understand it at all. Sure, he targets the tour, but look at
his results for the last few years and then tell me he doesn't win anything else.

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Amstel Gold - 4th Midi Libre - 1st Dauphine - 1st Tour De France - 1st

That's two wins of top class stage races and damm close in a world cup classic.

2001

Amstel Gold -2nd Tour of Switerland - 1st

Ahrthur

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"Note to all reporters: after Millar got dropped on the first hill today he is now officially
'Scottish' until he redeems himself with a win"

Oh dear, that old chestnut. A true testament to how oppressed the scottish are (!)

I note that there is a young cyclist riding for scotland, who has an english father, and an
educated guess suggests that he's lived in england all his life.

Bit more complicated than that actually: born in Malta and brought up in Hong Kong, Scotland
and London.

Andy

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Not shabby, admittedly, but he - like Indurain - admit to concentrating on the Tour almost to the
exclusion of everythiong else. Contrast with Mr. E. Merckx...

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Andy Koppe said:

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"Note to all reporters: after Millar got dropped on the first hill today he is now officially
'Scottish' until he redeems himself with a win"

Oh dear, that old chestnut. A true testament to how oppressed the scottish are (!)

I note that there is a young cyclist riding for scotland, who has an english father, and an
educated guess suggests that he's lived in england all his life.

Bit more complicated than that actually: born in Malta and brought up in Hong Kong, Scotland
and London.

There is a rumour that he did pass through England at some time ;-)

John B

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he is now officially 'Scottish' until he redeems himself with a win"

Oh dear, that old chestnut. A true testament to how oppressed the scottish are (!)

I note that there is a young cyclist riding for scotland, who has an english father, and an
educated guess suggests that he's lived in

england

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all his life.

Bit more complicated than that actually: born in Malta and brought up in Hong Kong, Scotland
and London.

No, this is a different one, not millar. Theres a fair chance he'll not be famous, apart from the
fact that he already can buy a bike with his own name on it!

Not me said:

Heheheh, while Millar's done some good riding, the man for me, though it's doubtful he'll win, is
Hamilton .. that takes guts and real physical and mental strength ..

Mental something, anyway.... The man's a nutter!

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"His dental self-destruction is now public record. After finishing second in last year's Tour of
Italy with a fractured upper arm, Hamilton had to have 11 teeth capped."

Ya can't help but to love him though. 🙂

Pete.

Arthur Clune said:

Jim Price <[email hidden]> wrote:

: the last day - a time trial to the finish line in Paris. For me, Armstong's potential achievment
: of a fifth win somehow needs to be supplemented by maybe winning one of the other competitions
: as well for

Um, you snipped my sentence here, where I was comparing him specifically to other 5 time winners. 🙁

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People keep saying this, but I don't understand it at all. Sure, he targets the tour, but look at
his results for the last few years and then tell me he doesn't win anything else.

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Vuelta? Giro? Hour record?

As Dave L says, see Mr. E. Merckx for the targets. 10 jerseys, 5 yellow. 500 races in 10 years. I'm
not saying Lance doesn't win anything else, just a lot less than some of the other 5 time winners
of the TdF.

If I were being cynical about it (which I'm not), I would suggest he is optimising his marketing
presence for his home country, where the public may think there is only one race a year, and in
finishes in Paris ("ain't that in Texas, boy?"😉. 🙂

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