TdF -ITT- Landis Question

Floyd's "Preying Landis" TT position evidently stemmed from a need to
sit further up (towards to front) on the nose of his saddle. This
eleviated pain from his hip and allowed for more power transfer to the
pedals. The Tour officials made him drop his aero bars. No reason was
given, but everyone has speculated that the officials were concerned
with safety. If you look at the position, he has to (or had to) wrap
his hands around the bars in a strange way so that he could peek
through his fingers to see the road. His hands were sort of stacked one
on top of the other on the bars. For a demonstration, go to any Cat 4/5
time trial in the next year and you will see plenty of people on BMC's,
listening to Kid Rock using the same position.

Blue

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Mattil (') said:

The commentary made mention of a warning given to Landis after the
first ITT regarding a measurement of his position on the bike. The
statement was made that the measurement was checked prior to his
departure from the starthouse.

What exactly was the measurement ?. They didn't clarify the statement.

No part of his handlebars should be higher than his saddle. We don't want
no steenkeeng innovation.

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in message <[email hidden]>, William R.

Mattil (') said:

The commentary made mention of a warning given to Landis after the
first ITT regarding a measurement of his position on the bike. The
statement was made that the measurement was checked prior to his
departure from the starthouse.

What exactly was the measurement ?. They didn't clarify the statement.

No part of his handlebars should be higher than his saddle. We don't want
no steenkeeng innovation.

Obviously you prefer face down recumbents.

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R. Mattil (') said:

The commentary made mention of a warning given to Landis after the
first ITT regarding a measurement of his position on the bike. The
statement was made that the measurement was checked prior to his
departure from the starthouse.

What exactly was the measurement ?. They didn't clarify the
statement.

No part of his handlebars should be higher than his saddle. We don't
want no steenkeeng innovation.

Obviously you prefer face down recumbents.

The test of a man isn't only in his muscles. It's in his creativity and
ingenuity in design. The test of a bicycle, as far as I'm concerned, is
that it has two wheels and is powered solely by the muscular effort of
its rider. Any further rules after that are unnecessary, /unless/ they
are for the safety of other riders. In an individual TT, the safety of
other riders is not an issue.

So if face-down recumbents prove to be most efficient, by all means let's
have face-down recumbents.

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The test of a man isn't only in his muscles. It's in his creativity and
ingenuity in design. The test of a bicycle, as far as I'm concerned, is
that it has two wheels and is powered solely by the muscular effort of
its rider. Any further rules after that are unnecessary, /unless/ they
are for the safety of other riders. In an individual TT, the safety of
other riders is not an issue.

So if face-down recumbents prove to be most efficient, by all means let's
have face-down recumbents.

Obree fan I see.

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The test of a man isn't only in his muscles. It's in his creativity
and ingenuity in design. The test of a bicycle, as far as I'm
concerned, is that it has two wheels and is powered solely by the
muscular effort of its rider. Any further rules after that are
unnecessary, /unless/ they are for the safety of other riders. In an
individual TT, the safety of other riders is not an issue.

So if face-down recumbents prove to be most efficient, by all means
let's have face-down recumbents.

Obree fan I see.

Obviously. Who wouldn't be? He's the best. He still turns up at time
trials in these parts with his battered-looking homemade bikes with
dinner-plate chainrings... and completely wipes the floor with everyone
else. Oh, yes. He turns up on the bike he's going to race. No nonsense
about driving to the start for Obree.

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The test of a man isn't only in his muscles. It's in his creativity
and ingenuity in design. The test of a bicycle, as far as I'm
concerned, is that it has two wheels and is powered solely by the
muscular effort of its rider. Any further rules after that are
unnecessary, /unless/ they are for the safety of other riders. In an
individual TT, the safety of other riders is not an issue.

So if face-down recumbents prove to be most efficient, by all means
let's have face-down recumbents.

Obree fan I see.

Obviously. Who wouldn't be? He's the best. He still turns up at time
trials in these parts with his battered-looking homemade bikes with
dinner-plate chainrings... and completely wipes the floor with everyone
else. Oh, yes. He turns up on the bike he's going to race. No nonsense
about driving to the start for Obree.

The last photo I saw of Graeme, he was riding a TT bike with an
interesting handlebar set: extreme minimalist H-bar setup (both narrow
and very flat) with a single aero extension that he was holding with
both hands.

More impressively, after that carefully studied aero treatment of his
bar setup, the rest of the bike was about as aero as my criterium bike.
It was a TTT, though.

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