TdF - incident with Lance A, shown on ITV2

AC said:

Hi,

I have a question about yesterdays stage...

Apparently some Italian rider attempted a breakaway and ITV2 claimed that LA
spoke to him & told him to get back in the main group. (he was not a US
postal member)

Apparently he does not like the Italian rider, who he is suing as a result
of calling LA a liar (anyone know anything about this?)

They interviewed the Italian bloke who claimed that LA had asked Chippolini
(?) not to pick him for the Team. LA denied this but Gary Imlach implied
that he thought there may be some truth to it

Anyway, any ideas why the rider took any notice of LA (who he plainly does
not like, to say the least). The ITV2 team where implying that LA is such a
powerful figure in the sport that he can do this ??

That would be Simeoni. He believes Armstrong is on dope because
Armstrong's doctor is Michele Ferrari, who has a rather iffy track
record in this respect. Simeoni is now suing Armstrong for calling him
a liar!

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:43:18 +0100, "AC" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Hi,

I have a question about yesterdays stage...

Apparently some Italian rider attempted a breakaway and ITV2 claimed that LA
spoke to him & told him to get back in the main group. (he was not a US
postal member)

Apparently he does not like the Italian rider, who he is suing as a result
of calling LA a liar (anyone know anything about this?)

They interviewed the Italian bloke who claimed that LA had asked Chippolini
(?) not to pick him for the Team. LA denied this but Gary Imlach implied
that he thought there may be some truth to it

Anyway, any ideas why the rider took any notice of LA (who he plainly does
not like, to say the least). The ITV2 team where implying that LA is such a
powerful figure in the sport that he can do this ??

Glad you've asked this, I was wondering the same thing myself. Not
being at all interested in the ins and outs of professional cycling, I
was left somewhat bewildered about that report on yesterdays ITV2
program, but also equally curious, especially Gary Imlach's statement
of ' Lance Amrstrong needing a grudge like .....[whatever he said].

Underneath the surface of it all...

Garry

"AC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi,

I have a question about yesterdays stage...

Apparently some Italian rider attempted a breakaway and ITV2 claimed that

LA

Quoted message said:

spoke to him & told him to get back in the main group. (he was not a US
postal member)

Apparently he does not like the Italian rider, who he is suing as a result
of calling LA a liar (anyone know anything about this?)

They interviewed the Italian bloke who claimed that LA had asked

Chippolini

Quoted message said:

(?) not to pick him for the Team. LA denied this but Gary Imlach implied
that he thought there may be some truth to it

Anyway, any ideas why the rider took any notice of LA (who he plainly does
not like, to say the least). The ITV2 team where implying that LA is such

a

Quoted message said:

powerful figure in the sport that he can do this ??

--
Cheers

AC

" who he is suing as a result
of calling LA a liar"

The other way round, in fact. Cos you're not allowed to question his
holiness the bore of cycling.

Graham

Damn, I got to get cable!!

Is Lance going out with Sheryl Crow?

Vivian
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"We learned more from a three minute record than we ever learned in school".
No Surrender

"AC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi,

I have a question about yesterdays stage...

Apparently some Italian rider attempted a breakaway and ITV2 claimed that

LA

Quoted message said:

spoke to him & told him to get back in the main group. (he was not a US
postal member)

Apparently he does not like the Italian rider, who he is suing as a result
of calling LA a liar (anyone know anything about this?)

They interviewed the Italian bloke who claimed that LA had asked

Chippolini

Quoted message said:

(?) not to pick him for the Team. LA denied this but Gary Imlach implied
that he thought there may be some truth to it

Anyway, any ideas why the rider took any notice of LA (who he plainly does
not like, to say the least). The ITV2 team where implying that LA is such

a

Quoted message said:

powerful figure in the sport that he can do this ??

--
Cheers

AC

AC said:

Anyway, any ideas why the rider took any notice of LA (who he
plainly does not like, to say the least). The ITV2 team where
implying that LA is such a powerful figure in the sport that he can
do this ??

I assumed that the suggestion was that Lance made it clear that the
breakaway wouldn't succeed in Simeoni was in it - i.e. USP would chase
it down - so there was no point in Simeoni trying?

Quoted message said:

That would be Simeoni. He believes Armstrong is on dope because
Armstrong's doctor is Michele Ferrari, who has a rather iffy track
record in this respect. Simeoni is now suing Armstrong for calling him
a liar!

Simeoni sounds like a nut.

He may well think someone is on dope, but when that person denies it, he
*sues* them?

Still, I'm a thousand miles away, so the real situation probably very
different.

--
Callas

Quoted message said:

Damn, I got to get cable!!

And you have to stop top quoting, too!

Quoted message said:

Is Lance going out with Sheryl Crow?

Yes.

--
Callas

"AC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Anyway, any ideas why the rider took any notice of LA (who he plainly does
not like, to say the least). The ITV2 team where implying that LA is such

a

Quoted message said:

powerful figure in the sport that he can do this ??

A certain amount of co-operation exists between riders and teams. A strong
team can assist or impede another from getting gaining prominence that will
stand them in good stead with their sponsors.
Super Mario himself (Chippoleni) was a past master at gaining positive
attention = good publicity for sponsor.

Regards,
Pete

"Zog The Undeniable" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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AC said:

Hi,

I have a question about yesterdays stage...

Apparently some Italian rider attempted a breakaway and ITV2 claimed

that LA

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

spoke to him & told him to get back in the main group. (he was not a US
postal member)

Apparently he does not like the Italian rider, who he is suing as a

result

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of calling LA a liar (anyone know anything about this?)

They interviewed the Italian bloke who claimed that LA had asked

Chippolini

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(?) not to pick him for the Team. LA denied this but Gary Imlach implied
that he thought there may be some truth to it

Anyway, any ideas why the rider took any notice of LA (who he plainly

does

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not like, to say the least). The ITV2 team where implying that LA is

such a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

powerful figure in the sport that he can do this ??

That would be Simeoni. He believes Armstrong is on dope because
Armstrong's doctor is Michele Ferrari, who has a rather iffy track
record in this respect. Simeoni is now suing Armstrong for calling him
a liar!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/tour04/?id=results/stage18

Callas said:

Quoted message said:

That would be Simeoni. He believes Armstrong is on dope because
Armstrong's doctor is Michele Ferrari, who has a rather iffy track
record in this respect. Simeoni is now suing Armstrong for calling him
a liar!

Simeoni sounds like a nut.

He may well think someone is on dope, but when that person denies it, he
*sues* them?

AIUI, Simeoni admitted doping, and was suspended for 3 months.The 'Doctor'
who supplied him has been working with Armstrong recently. Simeoni has
insinuated that LA was also supplied by this Doctor.LA called him a
liar.Simeoni denies being a liar, and took him(LA) to Court for slander,
or the Italian equivalent.
LA is well [censored] because of this, so according to Simeoni, he has tried
to get Simeoni thrown out of his team. LA denies everything, so,
yesterday, he didnt like his accuser going for a stage win, follwoed him
to a breakaway, and in effect,by being in the break,didnt give the break
any chance of getting away from the Peloton.
To allow the break to get away, LA told Simeoni to get back into the
peloton,or he'll be shadowing him all day.Other riders in the break then
'persuaded' Simeoni to go back, to allow them the chance of a stage win,
which would not be possible with LA in the break.
Alan.

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AC said:

Hi,

I have a question about yesterdays stage...

Apparently some Italian rider attempted a breakaway and ITV2 claimed
that LA spoke to him & told him to get back in the main group. (he
was not a US postal member)

Apparently he does not like the Italian rider, who he is suing as a
result of calling LA a liar (anyone know anything about this?)

They interviewed the Italian bloke who claimed that LA had asked
Chippolini (?) not to pick him for the Team. LA denied this but Gary
Imlach implied that he thought there may be some truth to it

Anyway, any ideas why the rider took any notice of LA (who he plainly
does not like, to say the least). The ITV2 team where implying that
LA is such a powerful figure in the sport that he can do this ??

I don't know the ins and outs of the situation but this happens in pro
racing and has for as long as I have been following it (20 years). The
senior riders have much respect in the peleton and do use their authority to
a certain extent to keep things in check. Fondriest, Lemond and Fignon
played these cards often. At some point there will be a change in the
pecking order, every dog has its day.

Quoted message said:

Glad you've asked this, I was wondering the same thing myself. Not
being at all interested in the ins and outs of professional cycling, I
was left somewhat bewildered about that report on yesterdays ITV2
program, but also equally curious, especially Gary Imlach's statement
of ' Lance Amrstrong needing a grudge like .....[whatever he said].

"LA needs a grudge like the Flying Scotsman needs coal - its what keeps him
going"

Then mention that LA would earn in a month more than the other guy would
earn ever

Still not sure how LA can simply tell another rider to get back in the
peleton!

AC said:

Quoted message said:

Glad you've asked this, I was wondering the same thing myself. Not
being at all interested in the ins and outs of professional cycling,
I was left somewhat bewildered about that report on yesterdays ITV2
program, but also equally curious, especially Gary Imlach's statement
of ' Lance Amrstrong needing a grudge like .....[whatever he said].

"LA needs a grudge like the Flying Scotsman needs coal - its what
keeps him going"

Which is a little ironic since The Flying Scotsman (4472) broke down again
yesterday

"A.Lee" <alan@darkroom.+.com> wrote in message
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LA is well [censored] because of this, so according to Simeoni, he has tried
to get Simeoni thrown out of his team. LA denies everything, so,
yesterday, he didnt like his accuser going for a stage win, follwoed him
to a breakaway, and in effect,by being in the break,didnt give the break
any chance of getting away from the Peloton.

Sounds fair enough to me. This goes on in all sorts of other sports,
sometimes quite brutal. I remember footballer Roy Keane being slighted by
Alf Inge Haaland. Keane describes how he deliberately goes for Haaland in a
tackle and badly injures him. Who can forget Schumaker taking out Damon
Hill, after Schumi had crashed leaving Hill to take the championship?

If I was truly clean like Armstrong says he is, then I'd go after someone
who tried to insinuate it was all down to drugs. If the drugs are so
miraculous then how come David Millar was so inconsistent?

I believe Lance is clean and his success is down to sheer hard work, his
incredible will to win and his superior team and although I can understand
people not liking him (like people hate Schumaker or Man Utd), he is a hero
and inspiration to millions of people not even in the cycling world.

Anyone who reads his books cannot fail to be moved by his story which
transcends mere sport.

--
Simon Mason
Anlaby
East Yorkshire.
53°44'N 0°26'W
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net

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Apparently he does not like the Italian rider, who he is suing as a result
of calling LA a liar (anyone know anything about this?)

No, it's the other way around. The Italian rider, Simeoni, is suing Lance in
the Italian courts, as Lance called him a liar. There is no love lost between
them right now.

Cheers, helen s

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" who he is suing as a result
of calling LA a liar"

The other way round, in fact. Cos you're not allowed to question his
holiness the bore of cycling.

Graham

Simeoni is a whining little [censored] who pisses off a lot of other riders
with his bad mouthing, not just Armstrong

D

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Anyone who reads his books cannot fail to be moved by his story which
transcends mere sport.

My own view entirely (also including the snipped material).

What Lance writes in his autobiography is something which in my
experience *can only be written* by someone who truely knows themselves.

It simply is something you cannot fake.

I do not believe for a second Lance is using drugs.

--
Callas

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AC said:

Anyway, any ideas why the rider took any notice of LA (who he
plainly does not like, to say the least). The ITV2 team where
implying that LA is such a powerful figure in the sport that he can
do this ??

I assumed that the suggestion was that Lance made it clear that the
breakaway wouldn't succeed in Simeoni was in it - i.e. USP would chase
it down - so there was no point in Simeoni trying?

Or simply that he would shadow Simeoni who therefore couldnt win so there
was no point in him joining the breakaway.

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Martin 'MSeries' Newstead said:

I don't know the ins and outs of the situation but this happens in pro
racing and has for as long as I have been following it (20 years). The
senior riders have much respect in the peleton and do use their authority to
a certain extent to keep things in check.

They also have the most money to make 'arrangements'.

John B