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  1. I know that the final stage of the TdF is mostly ceremonial, but I have
    2 questions (one specific and one in general):

    1) When Gilbert (FD Jeux) attacked the peloton why did Lance and the
    rest of the Disco Boys feel the need to respond? They could have just
    let him go... Was it to reel him in for his poor etiquette in attacking
    the peloton--especially on such a dangerous and slippery day? When
    Basso caught up with Gilbert he lambasted him!

    2) Hypothetically, what would happen if there was only, say, 10 seconds
    separating 1st and 2nd place in the GC. Would it be poor etiquette to
    attack and try to win it on the final day?

  2. Cwazee Yeti said:

    I know that the final stage of the TdF is mostly ceremonial, but I
    have 2 questions (one specific and one in general):

    1) When Gilbert (FD Jeux) attacked the peloton why did Lance and the
    rest of the Disco Boys feel the need to respond? They could have just
    let him go... Was it to reel him in for his poor etiquette in
    attacking the peloton--especially on such a dangerous and slippery
    day? When Basso caught up with Gilbert he lambasted him!

    Was this after the Discovery riders crashed ? Basso had words with a FDJ
    rider. If this was the incident, it wasn't because FDJ attacked the
    Peleton.but was because the Yellow Jersey was held up by the accident.

    Quoted message said:


    2) Hypothetically, what would happen if there was only, say, 10
    seconds separating 1st and 2nd place in the GC. Would it be poor
    etiquette to attack and try to win it on the final day?,

    No it wouldn't be bad etiquette. Personally I'd rather see a TT on the last
    day, its much more exciting.

    Jan

  3. Cwazee Yeti said:

    I know that the final stage of the TdF is mostly ceremonial, but I
    have 2 questions (one specific and one in general):

    1) When Gilbert (FD Jeux) attacked the peloton why did Lance and the
    rest of the Disco Boys feel the need to respond? They could have just
    let him go... Was it to reel him in for his poor etiquette in
    attacking the peloton--especially on such a dangerous and slippery
    day? When Basso caught up with Gilbert he lambasted him!

    Was this after the Discovery riders crashed ? Basso had words with a FDJ
    rider. If this was the incident, it wasn't because FDJ attacked the
    Peleton.but was because the Yellow Jersey was held up by the accident.

    Quoted message said:


    2) Hypothetically, what would happen if there was only, say, 10
    seconds separating 1st and 2nd place in the GC. Would it be poor
    etiquette to attack and try to win it on the final day?,

    No it wouldn't be bad etiquette. Personally I'd rather see a TT on the last
    day, its much more exciting.

    Jan

  4. Cwazee Yeti said:

    I know that the final stage of the TdF is mostly ceremonial, but I
    have 2 questions (one specific and one in general):

    1) When Gilbert (FD Jeux) attacked the peloton why did Lance and the
    rest of the Disco Boys feel the need to respond? They could have just
    let him go... Was it to reel him in for his poor etiquette in
    attacking the peloton--especially on such a dangerous and slippery
    day? When Basso caught up with Gilbert he lambasted him!

    Was this after the Discovery riders crashed ? Basso had words with a FDJ
    rider. If this was the incident, it wasn't because FDJ attacked the
    Peleton.but was because the Yellow Jersey was held up by the accident.

    Quoted message said:


    2) Hypothetically, what would happen if there was only, say, 10
    seconds separating 1st and 2nd place in the GC. Would it be poor
    etiquette to attack and try to win it on the final day?,

    No it wouldn't be bad etiquette. Personally I'd rather see a TT on the last
    day, its much more exciting.

    Jan

  5. Cwazee Yeti said:

    I know that the final stage of the TdF is mostly ceremonial, but I
    have 2 questions (one specific and one in general):

    1) When Gilbert (FD Jeux) attacked the peloton why did Lance and the
    rest of the Disco Boys feel the need to respond? They could have just
    let him go... Was it to reel him in for his poor etiquette in
    attacking the peloton--especially on such a dangerous and slippery
    day? When Basso caught up with Gilbert he lambasted him!

    Was this after the Discovery riders crashed ? Basso had words with a FDJ
    rider. If this was the incident, it wasn't because FDJ attacked the
    Peleton.but was because the Yellow Jersey was held up by the accident.

    Quoted message said:


    2) Hypothetically, what would happen if there was only, say, 10
    seconds separating 1st and 2nd place in the GC. Would it be poor
    etiquette to attack and try to win it on the final day?,

    No it wouldn't be bad etiquette. Personally I'd rather see a TT on the last
    day, its much more exciting.

    Jan

  6. Cwazee Yeti said:

    I know that the final stage of the TdF is mostly ceremonial, but I
    have 2 questions (one specific and one in general):

    1) When Gilbert (FD Jeux) attacked the peloton why did Lance and the
    rest of the Disco Boys feel the need to respond? They could have just
    let him go... Was it to reel him in for his poor etiquette in
    attacking the peloton--especially on such a dangerous and slippery
    day? When Basso caught up with Gilbert he lambasted him!

    Was this after the Discovery riders crashed ? Basso had words with a FDJ
    rider. If this was the incident, it wasn't because FDJ attacked the
    Peleton.but was because the Yellow Jersey was held up by the accident.

    Quoted message said:


    2) Hypothetically, what would happen if there was only, say, 10
    seconds separating 1st and 2nd place in the GC. Would it be poor
    etiquette to attack and try to win it on the final day?,

    No it wouldn't be bad etiquette. Personally I'd rather see a TT on the last
    day, its much more exciting.

    Jan

  7. Cwazee Yeti said:

    I know that the final stage of the TdF is mostly ceremonial, but I
    have 2 questions (one specific and one in general):

    1) When Gilbert (FD Jeux) attacked the peloton why did Lance and the
    rest of the Disco Boys feel the need to respond? They could have just
    let him go... Was it to reel him in for his poor etiquette in
    attacking the peloton--especially on such a dangerous and slippery
    day? When Basso caught up with Gilbert he lambasted him!

    Was this after the Discovery riders crashed ? Basso had words with a FDJ
    rider. If this was the incident, it wasn't because FDJ attacked the
    Peleton.but was because the Yellow Jersey was held up by the accident.

    Quoted message said:


    2) Hypothetically, what would happen if there was only, say, 10
    seconds separating 1st and 2nd place in the GC. Would it be poor
    etiquette to attack and try to win it on the final day?,

    No it wouldn't be bad etiquette. Personally I'd rather see a TT on the last
    day, its much more exciting.

    Jan


  8. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >2) Hypothetically, what would happen if there was only, say, 10 seconds


    separating 1st and 2nd place in the GC. Would it be poor etiquette to
    attack and try to win it on the final day? >>>>

    Absolutely not. The conventional etiquette exists because usually,
    there is sufficient GC time between the leaders to all but prohibit any
    chance of a challenger upsetting the overall. BUT, in the presence of
    small time gaps, it's still a race.

    You can bet Lemond pulled out all stops to win the 89 tour by 8 second
    (in a TT).

    In a RR, it's hard to get away on the Champs, especially with the
    leader's team protecting him.

    That's why it usually is a rolling celebration with show put on by the
    sprinters. Usually (right Vino?)...


  9. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >2) Hypothetically, what would happen if there was only, say, 10 seconds


    separating 1st and 2nd place in the GC. Would it be poor etiquette to
    attack and try to win it on the final day? >>>>

    Absolutely not. The conventional etiquette exists because usually,
    there is sufficient GC time between the leaders to all but prohibit any
    chance of a challenger upsetting the overall. BUT, in the presence of
    small time gaps, it's still a race.

    You can bet Lemond pulled out all stops to win the 89 tour by 8 second
    (in a TT).

    In a RR, it's hard to get away on the Champs, especially with the
    leader's team protecting him.

    That's why it usually is a rolling celebration with show put on by the
    sprinters. Usually (right Vino?)...


  10. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >2) Hypothetically, what would happen if there was only, say, 10 seconds


    separating 1st and 2nd place in the GC. Would it be poor etiquette to
    attack and try to win it on the final day? >>>>

    Absolutely not. The conventional etiquette exists because usually,
    there is sufficient GC time between the leaders to all but prohibit any
    chance of a challenger upsetting the overall. BUT, in the presence of
    small time gaps, it's still a race.

    You can bet Lemond pulled out all stops to win the 89 tour by 8 second
    (in a TT).

    In a RR, it's hard to get away on the Champs, especially with the
    leader's team protecting him.

    That's why it usually is a rolling celebration with show put on by the
    sprinters. Usually (right Vino?)...


  11. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >2) Hypothetically, what would happen if there was only, say, 10 seconds


    separating 1st and 2nd place in the GC. Would it be poor etiquette to
    attack and try to win it on the final day? >>>>

    Absolutely not. The conventional etiquette exists because usually,
    there is sufficient GC time between the leaders to all but prohibit any
    chance of a challenger upsetting the overall. BUT, in the presence of
    small time gaps, it's still a race.

    You can bet Lemond pulled out all stops to win the 89 tour by 8 second
    (in a TT).

    In a RR, it's hard to get away on the Champs, especially with the
    leader's team protecting him.

    That's why it usually is a rolling celebration with show put on by the
    sprinters. Usually (right Vino?)...


  12. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >2) Hypothetically, what would happen if there was only, say, 10 seconds


    separating 1st and 2nd place in the GC. Would it be poor etiquette to
    attack and try to win it on the final day? >>>>

    Absolutely not. The conventional etiquette exists because usually,
    there is sufficient GC time between the leaders to all but prohibit any
    chance of a challenger upsetting the overall. BUT, in the presence of
    small time gaps, it's still a race.

    You can bet Lemond pulled out all stops to win the 89 tour by 8 second
    (in a TT).

    In a RR, it's hard to get away on the Champs, especially with the
    leader's team protecting him.

    That's why it usually is a rolling celebration with show put on by the
    sprinters. Usually (right Vino?)...


  13. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >2) Hypothetically, what would happen if there was only, say, 10 seconds


    separating 1st and 2nd place in the GC. Would it be poor etiquette to
    attack and try to win it on the final day? >>>>

    Absolutely not. The conventional etiquette exists because usually,
    there is sufficient GC time between the leaders to all but prohibit any
    chance of a challenger upsetting the overall. BUT, in the presence of
    small time gaps, it's still a race.

    You can bet Lemond pulled out all stops to win the 89 tour by 8 second
    (in a TT).

    In a RR, it's hard to get away on the Champs, especially with the
    leader's team protecting him.

    That's why it usually is a rolling celebration with show put on by the
    sprinters. Usually (right Vino?)...

  14. Jan said:

    Was this after the Discovery riders crashed ? Basso had words with a FDJ
    rider. If this was the incident, it wasn't because FDJ attacked the
    Peleton.but was because the Yellow Jersey was held up by the accident.

    I think Basso was telling McGee that it was not appropriate to beat
    LANCE onto the Champs, and to let LANCE have his last parade.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

    Conservative dictionary:
    Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

  15. Jan said:

    Was this after the Discovery riders crashed ? Basso had words with a FDJ
    rider. If this was the incident, it wasn't because FDJ attacked the
    Peleton.but was because the Yellow Jersey was held up by the accident.

    I think Basso was telling McGee that it was not appropriate to beat
    LANCE onto the Champs, and to let LANCE have his last parade.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

    Conservative dictionary:
    Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

  16. Jan said:

    Was this after the Discovery riders crashed ? Basso had words with a FDJ
    rider. If this was the incident, it wasn't because FDJ attacked the
    Peleton.but was because the Yellow Jersey was held up by the accident.

    I think Basso was telling McGee that it was not appropriate to beat
    LANCE onto the Champs, and to let LANCE have his last parade.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

    Conservative dictionary:
    Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

  17. Jan said:

    Was this after the Discovery riders crashed ? Basso had words with a FDJ
    rider. If this was the incident, it wasn't because FDJ attacked the
    Peleton.but was because the Yellow Jersey was held up by the accident.

    I think Basso was telling McGee that it was not appropriate to beat
    LANCE onto the Champs, and to let LANCE have his last parade.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

    Conservative dictionary:
    Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

  18. Jan said:

    Was this after the Discovery riders crashed ? Basso had words with a FDJ
    rider. If this was the incident, it wasn't because FDJ attacked the
    Peleton.but was because the Yellow Jersey was held up by the accident.

    I think Basso was telling McGee that it was not appropriate to beat
    LANCE onto the Champs, and to let LANCE have his last parade.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

    Conservative dictionary:
    Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

  19. Jan said:

    Was this after the Discovery riders crashed ? Basso had words with a FDJ
    rider. If this was the incident, it wasn't because FDJ attacked the
    Peleton.but was because the Yellow Jersey was held up by the accident.

    I think Basso was telling McGee that it was not appropriate to beat
    LANCE onto the Champs, and to let LANCE have his last parade.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

    Conservative dictionary:
    Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

  20. I think it's two different incidents.
    Basso went up to stop the escapee as there were a major crash involving
    Discovery (and almost Armstrong)

    Armstrong himself - as told on Danish TV - politely asked if it was okay, if
    he and his team could lead the peleton into Paris city.

    Thomas Lund

    Quoted message said:

    Was this after the Discovery riders crashed ? Basso had words with a FDJ
    rider. If this was the incident, it wasn't because FDJ attacked the
    Peleton.but was because the Yellow Jersey was held up by the accident.

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