TAURINE!

"poise" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Taurine and its biproducts from its antioxidant mechanisms are the most
underestimated and understudied field in immunology.

Taurine, of course, goes well beyond antioxidation--as Alf Christophersen
is
well aware.

I take 500 mg a day, with breakfast.

I find it also to clear my head if I am under cognitive fatigue, and it also
reverses the acute effects of exposure to glutamate, as from "Chinese food
syndrome".

Lar

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Taurine and its biproducts from its antioxidant mechanisms are the most
underestimated and understudied field in immunology.

Taurine, of course, goes well beyond antioxidation--as Alf Christophersen
is
well aware.

I take 500 mg a day, with breakfast.

I find it also to clear my head if I am under cognitive fatigue, and it also
reverses the acute effects of exposure to glutamate, as from "Chinese food
syndrome".

Lar

What is 'Chinese food syndrome'?

Rusty said:

What is 'Chinese food syndrome'?

Back in the 1990s it was believed that MSG ( monosodium glutamate ), sold in NA
under the name "Accent", caused all kinds of health problems. MSG is a flavour
enhancer often used in chinese food.

In fact there's no reliable evidence for MSG causing health problems in the
general population.

Like many other foods, MSG may affect individuals, resulting in headaches etc.
The MSG effect ( chinese food syndrome ) in many ( most? ) cases is likely
psychosomatic.

- GU -

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Rusty said:

What is 'Chinese food syndrome'?

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Like many other foods, MSG may affect individuals, resulting in headaches
etc.
The MSG effect ( chinese food syndrome ) in many ( most? ) cases is likely
psychosomatic.

You were doing reasonably well, until you stooped to characterizing those so
afflicted. It is obvious that you are not sensitive to bolus ingestion of
MSG. There is nothing whatsoever psychosomatic about it, for me. It is a
clearly defined, and symptomatically consistent experience. Exogenous
glutamate can certainly have systemic effects. I was very glad to have
discovered that exogenous taurine is an antidote, just as taurine suppresses
glutamate sensitivity in the CNS.

Lar

How would one know that it isn't psychosomatic just because they experience
it? Isn't that a ridiculous statement?

I agree with you that MSG is very detrimental to many people, having
experienced it in my family myself, but the logic of your statement
behoovers me.

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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:12:10 -0500, Rusty <[email hidden]>

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What is 'Chinese food syndrome'?

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Like many other foods, MSG may affect individuals, resulting in

headaches

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etc.
The MSG effect ( chinese food syndrome ) in many ( most? ) cases is

likely

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psychosomatic.

You were doing reasonably well, until you stooped to characterizing those

so

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afflicted. It is obvious that you are not sensitive to bolus ingestion of
MSG. There is nothing whatsoever psychosomatic about it, for me. It is a
clearly defined, and symptomatically consistent experience. Exogenous
glutamate can certainly have systemic effects. I was very glad to have
discovered that exogenous taurine is an antidote, just as taurine

suppresses

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glutamate sensitivity in the CNS.

Lar

I'm surprised you take it in the morning. Its effect on me is to make
me sleepy, though I do take twice as much as you. In fact, it's helped
mitigate my insomnia quite a bit. I also notice I have more vivid
dreams now that I take it which seems to make me more relaxed during
waking hours too.
Taurine is wonderful and I recommend it to anyone who suffers from
insomnia.

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:00:28 -0400, "Larry Hoover" <[email hidden]>

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Rusty said:

What is 'Chinese food syndrome'?

Quoted message said:

Like many other foods, MSG may affect individuals, resulting in headaches
etc.
The MSG effect ( chinese food syndrome ) in many ( most? ) cases is likely
psychosomatic.

You were doing reasonably well, until you stooped to characterizing those so
afflicted. It is obvious that you are not sensitive to bolus ingestion of
MSG. There is nothing whatsoever psychosomatic about it, for me. It is a
clearly defined, and symptomatically consistent experience. Exogenous
glutamate can certainly have systemic effects. I was very glad to have
discovered that exogenous taurine is an antidote, just as taurine suppresses
glutamate sensitivity in the CNS.

Lar

I apologize to anyone with genuine MSG intolerance.
The September 2004 U of California, Berkeley Wellness Letter states: "In blinded
tests, those who were sure they were sensitive to MSG failed to react to even
enormous doses in food."
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I apologize to anyone with genuine MSG intolerance.
The September 2004 U of California, Berkeley Wellness Letter states: "In
blinded
tests, those who were sure they were sensitive to MSG failed to react to
even
enormous doses in food."
- GU -

Aren't you a snot?

Then maybe it's not MSG that's the sole culprit. "Chinese Food Syndrome" is
real, whether or not we've adequately explained it via reductionist science.

Lar

You are wasting your money. Amino acids (free form) should always be taken
alone, without foods.

Free form amino acids tend to bond to other amino acids and form proteins
which will then do you no more good than eating some meat or other foods.
The trick is to get them absorbed through the stomach and/or intestinal
walls before the combine with other aminos and have to go through digestion
to break them apart.

Always take free form amino acids at least 10-20 minutes before eating.

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Taurine and its biproducts from its antioxidant mechanisms are the most
underestimated and understudied field in immunology.

Taurine, of course, goes well beyond antioxidation--as Alf Christophersen

is

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well aware.

I take 500 mg a day, with breakfast.

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:38:17 -0400, "Larry Hoover" <[email hidden]>

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I apologize to anyone with genuine MSG intolerance.
The September 2004 U of California, Berkeley Wellness Letter states: "In
blinded
tests, those who were sure they were sensitive to MSG failed to react to
even
enormous doses in food."
- GU -

Aren't you a snot?

Then maybe it's not MSG that's the sole culprit.

Good point. The Wellness Letter didn't elaborate vis-à-vis the specific food
items to which MSG was added. It's possible that while MSG per se is safe, used
in conjunction with certain other ingredients it may initiate the so-called
chinese food syndrome.
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How would one know that it isn't psychosomatic just because they
experience
it? Isn't that a ridiculous statement?

Of course, you don't. That doesn't make it ridiculous. Psychosomatic
suffering is real suffering. The ability to link it (satisfactorily, in the
concepts of the categorizer) to a particular cause is neither proof nor
disproof of the existence of the complaint.

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I agree with you that MSG is very detrimental to many people, having
experienced it in my family myself, but the logic of your statement
behoovers me.

The plausibility of a mechanism is often confused with evidence for or
against causality. Disproving the mechanism does not disprove the observed
syndrome. The studies to date do not disprove the involvement of MSG, but
only reflect the inability of pure MSG to induce the symptoms of Chinese
Food Syndrome, under the conditions extent during the study.

Lar

Taking amino acids in the free form is completely unnatural and not suitable
for long-term usage. Taking with food simply supplements the diet, which is
my intent, and which is why my taurine does not make me drowsy.

That is why I, myself, believe more in testimonials than double-blind, peer
reviewed, repeatable studies most of the time. Anybody that can spend the
money involved has a payback for the results. negative results are hidden.

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"Piezzo Guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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How would one know that it isn't psychosomatic just because they
experience
it? Isn't that a ridiculous statement?

Of course, you don't. That doesn't make it ridiculous. Psychosomatic
suffering is real suffering. The ability to link it (satisfactorily, in

the

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concepts of the categorizer) to a particular cause is neither proof nor
disproof of the existence of the complaint.

Quoted message said:

I agree with you that MSG is very detrimental to many people, having
experienced it in my family myself, but the logic of your statement
behoovers me.

The plausibility of a mechanism is often confused with evidence for or
against causality. Disproving the mechanism does not disprove the observed
syndrome. The studies to date do not disprove the involvement of MSG, but
only reflect the inability of pure MSG to induce the symptoms of Chinese
Food Syndrome, under the conditions extent during the study.

Lar

I eat MSG all the time... no problems. I use Accent in cooking quite a
bit. MSG is best used, though, in meatless dishes or soups. Usually
mushrooms, cheese, seaweed, peas, and meat, etc. already have glutamate in
them, so using glutamate with those foods is not so necessary.

"Chinese Food Syndrome" might be a glycemic response to the large amonut
of starch/sugar in some Chinese restaurant foods (General Tso's with a large
side of white rice, etc.). It also might be due to the higher amount of
salt used in Chinese cooking. People also tend to eat alot at these places.
The results can be the person experiences fatigue due to digestion. So
there's no single cause.

They have found that elderly people with anorexia (loss of apetite- not
the mental disease), ate more food when MSG was used, vs. when it was not.
The study was funded by the company that makes Accent, but it's still
significant.

But they are still hungry an hour later.

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I eat MSG all the time... no problems. I use Accent in cooking quite a
bit. MSG is best used, though, in meatless dishes or soups. Usually
mushrooms, cheese, seaweed, peas, and meat, etc. already have glutamate in
them, so using glutamate with those foods is not so necessary.

"Chinese Food Syndrome" might be a glycemic response to the large amonut
of starch/sugar in some Chinese restaurant foods (General Tso's with a

large

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side of white rice, etc.). It also might be due to the higher amount of
salt used in Chinese cooking. People also tend to eat alot at these

places.

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The results can be the person experiences fatigue due to digestion. So
there's no single cause.

They have found that elderly people with anorexia (loss of apetite- not
the mental disease), ate more food when MSG was used, vs. when it was not.
The study was funded by the company that makes Accent, but it's still
significant.

LOL

Go to bed!

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Taking amino acids in the free form is completely unnatural and not

suitable

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for long-term usage. Taking with food simply supplements the diet, which

is

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my intent, and which is why my taurine does not make me drowsy.