Tandem Bike-Riding "Technique"?

Hi,
We ride with the man in the front. I think we would prefer the other but I
believe most tandems size for the taller rider on the front, which in most
cases will be the guy.
Lyle

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Quoted message said:

Say, why is the woman always in the back on a tandem?

I've yet to see one photo of a guy in the back!

First of all, I'd imagine that the guy would enjoy that view more...but
also, doesn't the stoker provide more power? I don't know why I
imagine this...maybe being closer to the rear wheel and its cassette
naturally suggests the idea to me....

Any of you ride tandem with your wives/girlfriends? Do they just
prefer you take the lead or something?

Just wondering. Never been on a tandem in my life.

actually I have seen quite a number of women in front, the stoker in
the rear doesn't actually supply more power, it is a shared
stroke...however eithr of the 2 rider can stop for a rest and you can
still move forwards....the front person has to steer, brake and shift
as well as pedal, thee rear paerson pedals and gets to see a lot of the
back of the front person...But it is an excellant shared experience and
a really different way to cycle as a couple...it doesn't get as
competitive as single bikes sometimes get...

NYC XYZ said:

Say, why is the woman always in the back on a tandem?

I've yet to see one photo of a guy in the back!

First of all, I'd imagine that the guy would enjoy that view more...but
also, doesn't the stoker provide more power? I don't know why I
imagine this...maybe being closer to the rear wheel and its cassette
naturally suggests the idea to me....

Any of you ride tandem with your wives/girlfriends? Do they just
prefer you take the lead or something?

Just wondering. Never been on a tandem in my life.

because women frequently stop to ask directions.

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NYC XYZ said:

Say, why is the woman always in the back on a tandem?

There are some tandem designs made for the smaller person to ride in
front. The Counterpoint tandem is one of example where the person in
back is in a normal upright bike configuration and does the steering
(plus pedaling) while the front rider is on a recumbent seat and just
pedals.

However, for conventional upright tandems it's generally a more
enjoyable experience if the heavier and stronger rider is the one in
front and takes care of the steering and braking. I have ridden our
tandem with heavier/stronger stokers on occasion, but it requires more
concentration to avoid having the motions of the stoker affect the
balance and steering.

Many regular upright tandems, including ours, are also designed with a
longer seat tube in front so it's a better fit if the taller rider sits
there.

Quoted message said:

..but
also, doesn't the stoker provide more power?

No, each rider puts out as much power as they wish although on most
tandems they must pedal at the same cadence. But the person in front
might be pushing really hard on the pedals while the one in back is
loafing or vice versa.

On 19 Jan 2006 19:28:33 -0800, "NYC XYZ" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Say, why is the woman always in the back on a tandem?

Women are not always the stokers (The person in the back is the
stoker, while the captain is normally up front.) We have ridden with
tandem teams comprised of two women, two men, a mother and her young
daughter, a father and his young son, a father and his older
handicapped son, as well as a team that swapped captain and stokers at
each rest stop.

Quoted message said:

I've yet to see one photo of a guy in the back!

First of all, I'd imagine that the guy would enjoy that view more...but

I captain our tandem and would certainly enjoy the view of my wife as
captain! Since she has been my wife and sweetheart for over 30 years
there is no more beautiful sight on earth than my honey.

Quoted message said:

also, doesn't the stoker provide more power? I don't know why I
imagine this...maybe being closer to the rear wheel and its cassette
naturally suggests the idea to me....

Each person on a tandem controls how much power they provide. However,
since the pedals are connected together with the timing chain, their
cadence is always the same (provided the sprockets are the same size.)
There are a few tandems with an independent pedaling system which
allows one person to coast while the other pedals, but normally, when
one person pedals, the other person's feet also go around.

In our case I am physically stronger than my wife, so I normally
provide more horsepower. But, one of the wonders of the tandem is that
regardless of how much power one provides, you both ride along
together and arrive at the same place only milliseconds apart.

Quoted message said:

Any of you ride tandem with your wives/girlfriends? Do they just
prefer you take the lead or something?

My wife is totally uninterested in steering, shifting, braking, etc.
She just wants to ride with me. As stoker, she can enjoy the scenery,
give hand signals, wave at gawking passerbys, read the cue sheet, give
me a back or shoulder rub, open up snacks, etc. If we didn't ride the
tandem together she would not ride at all and I probably wouldn't ride
my single very much.

Quoted message said:

Just wondering. Never been on a tandem in my life.

If you love and respect your spouse, then riding a tandem together is
arguably one of life's great pleasures. We purchased our tandem as a
30th wedding anniversary gift to each other 2 years ago. Neither of us
had done any biking during our married years. We are now approaching
7,000 miles on the bike and look forward to each ride. That is many,
many wonderful hours spent in the company of my best friend!

Harry

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Say, why is the woman always in the back on a tandem?

There's two parts to it. One is that the pilot needs to have superior upper
body strength. When I ride tandem with my daughter, it takes all the upper
body strength I have to hold the bike upright while stopped, and she weighs
about 60 lbs less than me.

Second, there's the control issue. Just like guys like to have the remote in
their hands, they like to be pilot. Tandems can amplify existing power
struggles in a relationship, which is why they're sometimes known as
"divorcycles". Since generally I get more miles in and in more varied
weather than my husband, it's sometimes an interesting situation for me,
sitting in the back, thinking about what I'd be doing different if I were
steering. To what extent should I back-seat drive? Will he get annoyed by my
advice or will he find it helpful? It's these sorts of things that make
tandeming, mm, interesting, with one's partner.

At the same time, there is something like a tandeming groove, where you get
it together and you really kick butt as you zip down the road. A "poetry in
motion" feeling. That's what you're aiming for, if you can work it together.

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NYC XYZ said:

Just wondering. Never been on a tandem in my life.

**********
I used to ride on the back of a tandem. I thought It was great, since it
was the only actual bicycle I'd been on in years. Not counting my trike
here.

NYC XYZ said:

Any of you ride tandem with your wives/girlfriends? Do they just
prefer you take the lead or something?

Sure they do. After all, it's the man's job to lead, and the wimmin
are s'posed to follow. Quietly.

;-) <----- NOTE

Quoted message said:

Just wondering. Never been on a tandem in my life.

If you had some twofer time in, you'd realize that the bigger person
really should be up front. I've ridden with larger stokers a couple
times, and it's no fun. One that's my size is OK though.

It takes a lot more upper body strength and control to captain the
bike - but I've found that the ability for tandemists to stand up
while climbing is primarily due to the stoker's ability to keep their
cockpit level. If the stoker is even a little twitchy, there's
nothing the captain can do to make the bike stable enough to stay out
of the saddle.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

Oh wow...do you have any daughters?

Hehe...lovely post; thanks for sharing!

HarryB said:

On 19 Jan 2006 19:28:33 -0800, "NYC XYZ" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Say, why is the woman always in the back on a tandem?

Women are not always the stokers (The person in the back is the
stoker, while the captain is normally up front.) We have ridden with
tandem teams comprised of two women, two men, a mother and her young
daughter, a father and his young son, a father and his older
handicapped son, as well as a team that swapped captain and stokers at
each rest stop.

Quoted message said:

I've yet to see one photo of a guy in the back!

First of all, I'd imagine that the guy would enjoy that view more...but

I captain our tandem and would certainly enjoy the view of my wife as
captain! Since she has been my wife and sweetheart for over 30 years
there is no more beautiful sight on earth than my honey.

Quoted message said:

also, doesn't the stoker provide more power? I don't know why I
imagine this...maybe being closer to the rear wheel and its cassette
naturally suggests the idea to me....

Each person on a tandem controls how much power they provide. However,
since the pedals are connected together with the timing chain, their
cadence is always the same (provided the sprockets are the same size.)
There are a few tandems with an independent pedaling system which
allows one person to coast while the other pedals, but normally, when
one person pedals, the other person's feet also go around.

In our case I am physically stronger than my wife, so I normally
provide more horsepower. But, one of the wonders of the tandem is that
regardless of how much power one provides, you both ride along
together and arrive at the same place only milliseconds apart.

Quoted message said:

Any of you ride tandem with your wives/girlfriends? Do they just
prefer you take the lead or something?

My wife is totally uninterested in steering, shifting, braking, etc.
She just wants to ride with me. As stoker, she can enjoy the scenery,
give hand signals, wave at gawking passerbys, read the cue sheet, give
me a back or shoulder rub, open up snacks, etc. If we didn't ride the
tandem together she would not ride at all and I probably wouldn't ride
my single very much.

Quoted message said:

Just wondering. Never been on a tandem in my life.

If you love and respect your spouse, then riding a tandem together is
arguably one of life's great pleasures. We purchased our tandem as a
30th wedding anniversary gift to each other 2 years ago. Neither of us
had done any biking during our married years. We are now approaching
7,000 miles on the bike and look forward to each ride. That is many,
many wonderful hours spent in the company of my best friend!

Harry

Mark Hickey said:

Sure they do. After all, it's the man's job to lead, and the wimmin
are s'posed to follow. Quietly.

;-) <----- NOTE

Hmm...how do I make the smileys nod and applaud?

Quoted message said:

If you had some twofer time in, you'd realize that the bigger person
really should be up front. I've ridden with larger stokers a couple
times, and it's no fun. One that's my size is OK though.

Ah, I dunno, I'm thinking of the set-up like it is on a tandem kayak
for some reason, where the heavier person is aft.

Quoted message said:

It takes a lot more upper body strength and control to captain the
bike - but I've found that the ability for tandemists to stand up
while climbing is primarily due to the stoker's ability to keep their
cockpit level. If the stoker is even a little twitchy, there's
nothing the captain can do to make the bike stable enough to stay out
of the saddle.

Ah, interesting tip! I hear tandems go faster, too...what you say
sounds even more dangerous down-hill!

Quoted message said:

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

Claire Petersky said:

There's two parts to it. One is that the pilot needs to have superior upper
body strength. When I ride tandem with my daughter, it takes all the upper
body strength I have to hold the bike upright while stopped, and she weighs
about 60 lbs less than me.

Hmm! Would've thought that the team both dismounts.

Quoted message said:

Second, there's the control issue. Just like guys like to have the remote in
their hands, they like to be pilot. Tandems can amplify existing power
struggles in a relationship, which is why they're sometimes known as
"divorcycles". Since generally I get more miles in and in more varied
weather than my husband, it's sometimes an interesting situation for me,
sitting in the back, thinking about what I'd be doing different if I were
steering. To what extent should I back-seat drive? Will he get annoyed by my
advice or will he find it helpful? It's these sorts of things that make
tandeming, mm, interesting, with one's partner.

Heh, I was wondering about that! Thanks for the confirmation. Though
I think I'd find it interesting to see how the other person
reacts...that's how you really get to know someone, to see how they are
in certain on-the-fly situations...that's why I prefer "activity dates"
-- which might sometimes give the impression that I'm cheap or boring,
I guess!

Quoted message said:

At the same time, there is something like a tandeming groove, where you get
it together and you really kick butt as you zip down the road. A "poetry in
motion" feeling. That's what you're aiming for, if you can work it together.

And I was hoping for that! It really sounds like a wonderful thing.

I don't think I'm ready for it. =)

Quoted message said:

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Claire Petersky
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Sponsor me for the Big Climb! See: www.active.com/donate/cpetersky06
See the books I've set free at:
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NYC XYZ said:

Mark Hickey said:

I've ridden with larger stokers a couple
times, and it's no fun. One that's my size is OK though.

Ah, I dunno, I'm thinking of the set-up like it is on a tandem kayak
for some reason, where the heavier person is aft.

On boats the steering (whether with a rudder or by paddling) is
primarily, although not entirely, done at the rear whereas bicycles
are almost always steered from the front.
The Counterpoint tandem I mentioned is a bit of an exception with the
smaller front wheel underneath the stoker and steered by the captain at
the rear of the bike.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It takes a lot more upper body strength and control to captain the
bike - but I've found that the ability for tandemists to stand up
while climbing is primarily due to the stoker's ability to keep their
cockpit level. If the stoker is even a little twitchy, there's
nothing the captain can do to make the bike stable enough to stay out
of the saddle.

Ah, interesting tip! I hear tandems go faster, too...what you say
sounds even more dangerous down-hill!

Except we tend not to get off the saddle when descending. I find the
tandem to feel very stable on fast descents. But I've sometimes had
stokers pull the 'emergency brake' cable. (Our bike has no brake levers
on the rear bars but one of the rear brake cables runs along the top
tube where the stoker can grab it.)

NYC XYZ said:

Say, why is the woman always in the back on a tandem?
I've yet to see one photo of a guy in the back!
First of all, I'd imagine that the guy would enjoy that view more...but
also, doesn't the stoker provide more power? I don't know why I
imagine this...maybe being closer to the rear wheel and its cassette
naturally suggests the idea to me....
Any of you ride tandem with your wives/girlfriends? Do they just
prefer you take the lead or something?
Just wondering. Never been on a tandem in my life.

I prefer to ride stoker and my captain says she wouldn't
have it any other way.

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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:36:39 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc, "Claire

Petersky said:

At the same time, there is something like a tandeming groove, where you get
it together and you really kick butt as you zip down the road. A "poetry in
motion" feeling. That's what you're aiming for, if you can work it together.

it really *is* a rush, and with the same forward surface area as
a single, quite a bit less than twice the mass (sustains
momentum) with twice the crank power means you can really crank
along. the first time i really got into a tandem groove, we were
riding at 29 mph on the road that i usually rode at about 20 mph.

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Quoted message said:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:36:39 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc, "Claire

Petersky said:

At the same time, there is something like a tandeming groove, where you
get
it together and you really kick butt as you zip down the road. A "poetry
in
motion" feeling. That's what you're aiming for, if you can work it
together.

it really *is* a rush, and with the same forward surface area as
a single, quite a bit less than twice the mass (sustains
momentum) with twice the crank power means you can really crank
along. the first time i really got into a tandem groove, we were
riding at 29 mph on the road that i usually rode at about 20 mph.

The worst bike accidents I have ever seen have involved tandems. And it was
always due to just one thing - going too fast. The stokers usually came off
the worst and it was always a woman, poor dumb creatures that they are.

Many woman will not ride a tandem with their husbands because they do not
trust his judgment on what is safe and what is unsafe. From what I have seen
of tandems, I would not be caught dead on one because I think that is how I
would end up anyway. They are all about going fast. Anything else that is
told to you about them is just so much rubbish.

If women had the brains that God gave them, they would NEVER ride a tandem
with their husbands. They should always be on their own bikes. That is more
than enough togetherness for any couple.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Quoted message said:

Say, why is the woman always in the back on a tandem?

There's two parts to it. One is that the pilot needs to have superior
upper body strength. When I ride tandem with my daughter, it takes all the
upper body strength I have to hold the bike upright while stopped, and she
weighs about 60 lbs less than me.

Second, there's the control issue. Just like guys like to have the remote
in their hands, they like to be pilot. Tandems can amplify existing power
struggles in a relationship, which is why they're sometimes known as
"divorcycles". Since generally I get more miles in and in more varied
weather than my husband, it's sometimes an interesting situation for me,
sitting in the back, thinking about what I'd be doing different if I were
steering. To what extent should I back-seat drive? Will he get annoyed by
my advice or will he find it helpful? It's these sorts of things that make
tandeming, mm, interesting, with one's partner.

At the same time, there is something like a tandeming groove, where you
get it together and you really kick butt as you zip down the road. A
"poetry in motion" feeling. That's what you're aiming for, if you can work
it together.

Newsgroups trimmed.

Claire's first two paragraphs are full of sense, but her last paragraph
gives her away. Yes, it is all about going fast even if it kills you.

Claire should ride her own bike and leave the tandem nonsense to her
husband. Men are stupid that way. They think going fast is what it is all
about. Some women want to please their husbands even if it kills them. That
is the main reason women ride tandems in the first place. She should just
tell him to go to Hell. After all, a woman is too intelligent to think that
going fast means anything at all. The only butt she should ever want to kick
is her husband's butt.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Quoted message said:

NYC XYZ said:

Say, why is the woman always in the back on a tandem?

I've yet to see one photo of a guy in the back!

Just wondering. Never been on a tandem in my life.

because women frequently stop to ask directions.

That's not an appropriate opinion.
Everyone knows it's because you can't trust her to drive.

In rec.bicycles.misc Claire Petersky said:

Quoted message said:

Say, why is the woman always in the back on a tandem?

Not always, I rode primarily as stoker.

Quoted message said:

There's two parts to it. One is that the pilot needs to have
superior upper body strength.

Not necessarily. My captain had not, still as a stoker I can hold
myself off the ground while standing.

Quoted message said:

Second, there's the control issue. Just like guys like to have the
remote in their hands, they like to be pilot.

Not all guys 8)

Being the more experienced and more powerful rider I enjoyed riding
as stoker and with my girlfriend piloting work as a team. Being
stronger _and_ in total as captain control made the tandem a
somewhat boring heavy bicycle for me and for her...

--
MfG/Best regards
helmut springer

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:57:59 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:36:39 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc, "Claire

Petersky said:

At the same time, there is something like a tandeming groove, where you
get
it together and you really kick butt as you zip down the road. A "poetry
in
motion" feeling. That's what you're aiming for, if you can work it
together.

it really *is* a rush, and with the same forward surface area as
a single, quite a bit less than twice the mass (sustains
momentum) with twice the crank power means you can really crank
along. the first time i really got into a tandem groove, we were
riding at 29 mph on the road that i usually rode at about 20 mph.

The worst bike accidents I have ever seen have involved tandems. And it was
always due to just one thing - going too fast. The stokers usually came off
the worst and it was always a woman, poor dumb creatures that they are.

Since this last sentence doesn't appear to be tongue-in-cheek I assume
that it accurately reflects your views. In that case you must be one
sorry individual. Having been married to the same beautiful woman for
more than 32 years I think I know a few things about her. To refer to
my wife a "poor dumb creature" leads me to assume you must be a sorry
bigot.

Quoted message said:

Many woman will not ride a tandem with their husbands because they do not
trust his judgment on what is safe and what is unsafe. From what I have seen
of tandems, I would not be caught dead on one because I think that is how I
would end up anyway. They are all about going fast. Anything else that is
told to you about them is just so much rubbish.

No, riding a tandem is not all about going fast. In my case it is
about enjoying life with my wife. We can cruise along at 15 - 20mph
for many hours enjoying the countryside and getting in some enjoyable
exercise as well. Which is not to say we have never gone faster than
we should have, but those are mistakes that I have made which my wife
has forgiven me for.

Quoted message said:

If women had the brains that God gave them, they would NEVER ride a tandem
with their husbands. They should always be on their own bikes. That is more
than enough togetherness for any couple.

Since you don't appear to have ridden a tandem, why do you think you
are in the position to offer advice to those of us who do? Apparently
the wonder of a happy marriage escapes you. How sad.

Quoted message said:

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Harry