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  1. I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a
    few years since I have ridden partially because of poor bike
    fitment I believe. I am well above average height. 6'7" with
    a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs. Proportionally my legs are
    longer compared to my torso then an average person. My main
    concern is finding a bike that fits correctly for me. Do you
    think a custom bike will be the only route to go for me? If
    so who would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about
    my limit for a complete bike.

    Ryan

  2. Ryan said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a
    few years since I have ridden partially because of poor
    bike fitment I believe. I am well above average height.
    6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs. Proportionally my
    legs are longer compared to my torso then an average
    person. My main concern is finding a bike that fits
    correctly for me. Do you think a custom bike will be the
    only route to go for me?

    This seems likely. At your height, with the proportions you
    indicated, there are very few stock frames that would be
    even close to fitting you.

    Quoted message said:

    If so who would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be
    about my limit for a complete bike.

    There are a number of people to talk to. One would me Mark
    Hickey, a denizen of these newsgroups who makes titanium
    bike frames. I think his custom sizes are around $900, road,
    mountain, or cross. You could then get it outfitted (Mark
    can do that, too) within your budget if you use traditional
    wheels (which I recommend, anyway, and with 36 spokes) and
    don't go high-end on the components. habcycles.comhabcycles.com

    --

    David L. Johnson

    __o | The lottery is a tax on those who fail to
    understand _`\(,_ | mathematics. (_)/ (_) |

  3. RE/

    Quoted message said:

    I have ridden partially because of poor bike fitment I
    believe. I am well above average height. 6'7" with a 38"
    inseam. I weigh 200 lbs. Proportionally my legs are longer
    compared to my torso then an average person. My main
    concern is finding a bike that fits correctly for me. Do
    you think a custom bike will be the only route to go for
    me? If so who would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be
    about my limit for a complete bike.

    Bottom line: Maybe - Unless you're able to ride comfortably
    with your bars quite a bit lower than the saddle (like 4-5"
    lower...).

    I'm 6'5, 37" inseam....just over the 6'3" max that XL frames
    are designed for (per a Jamis rep I talked to last year).

    I rode my Ellsworth Isis for several years (XL, 22"😉,
    gradually changing things until I had something I could ride
    in comfort for 2-3 hours at a time. In my case, I needed the
    handlebar grip surfaces at saddle height or even an inch
    above. I can ride with them lower, but after a few hours I
    always wind up with a sore neck and tunnel vision. Wearing
    contacts helps. It lets my lower my head a few degrees more
    because I don't have the rims of the glasses in the
    way...but for me the bars still need to be up there.

    Eventually I got paranoid about the stem extension/handlebar
    rise that I was using to achieve my position (breakage while
    under way and all that...) and decided to suck it up and
    spend the money for a custom frame.

    Liked it so much, I did it twice: a hardtail from Curtlo and
    an FS from Seven. (Actually 3 times - starting with a
    hardtail from a local dealer.... But we don't want to go
    there right now....)

    The hardtail's dimensions grew out of what I had done to my
    Ellsworth to make it comfortable. I like the result, and
    enjoy riding it - but I'd probably be even happier if I'd
    let the maker fit the bike to me instead of telling him what
    dimensions I wanted.

    I think it was about $1,200 delivered - including a Ritchey
    breakdown feature and custom adjustable dropouts. That
    would leave $1,300 for a build kit - maybe a more
    considering you wouldn't be paying for the dropouts or the
    breakdown feature.

    However...

    When I went for the FS, the first guy I approached didn't
    respond; and the second guy's frame was just too un-
    aesthetic. That left Seven.

    The rationale being that I couldn't see any way to even
    *touch* a custom FS for less than two grand and Seven's was
    "only" $800 more. Besides it used the Maverick suspension
    and it seemed like something interesting to try.

    But let's be clear here: I'm really a Walgoose-level rider.
    - A log that I'm not sure I can clear? Walk it every
    time....no sense risking a header...
    - Rock garden or hardpack? Hardpack every time.
    - A $2,800 titanium frame? Some people would puke.

    But, given that Habanero didn't have their FS in productin
    yet, it seemed TB the only game in town. I had it made
    without any decals and removed the logo from the head
    tube...so maybe nobody'll notice... In the end, maybe a can
    or two of Pep Boy's finest primer in different colors...

    Having said that, however: I ride 4-6 times/week; and I want
    to minimize my chances of joining Christopher Reeves.
    There's also a feelgood factor. Even such a pathetic rider
    as myself can enjoy something that clearly handles so much
    better. As long as my wife doesn't find out I spent enough
    on a freaking *bicycle frame* to feed an entire Somalian
    village for several months, I can live with the cost as
    being the lesser of two evils.

    Frankly, Seven [censored] me off in the beginning - and I'm
    still a little [censored]-off at them even now. But they saved
    me from myself in the end. Their thing seems to be "Trust
    Us"..... I did, and it worked. I realize now that what I
    perpetrated on my poor old Isis had defeated the bike's
    design. Set up per Seven's recommendations, the Ellsworth
    handles much better - but there's still the stem/bar
    failure thing.

    Seven's implementation is a whole new ballgame. That sucker
    is *tight*: Easier to balance when not moving, much more
    predictable when trying to weave aound things and there's no
    perceptable pedal-induced bobbing...about 80% to a hardtail,
    but with all benefits of an FS.

    At this point, I can't distinguish between what's due to
    Seven's frame, what's due to the Maverick sus system they
    use, and what's from being in a more bike-friendly
    position....but the whole system *does* work a lot better.

    Bottom line: I'm spoiled. Wouldn't want anything *but* a
    custom frame for my weird bod... and I'm only 6'5"...

    Problem is the cost. A custom FS completely-built for $2,500
    bottom-line? No way Jose'.

    That leaves a hardtail. First place I'd go is Habanero. If
    you feel that the bars need to be at or near saddle height,
    I'd dig my heels in for a 6.5" or even 7" head tube. That'll
    give you the height you need using 2.5" risers without an
    excessive spacer stack - yet let you move down quite a bit
    if you decide to lower the bar height.

    --
    PeteCresswell

  4. Ryan said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been
    a few years since I have ridden partially because of
    poor bike fitment I believe. I am well above average
    height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso
    then an average person. My main concern is finding a
    bike that fits correctly for me. Do you think a custom
    bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my
    limit for a complete bike.

    No, Rivendell offers large non-custom frames (66-68 cm).
    Their Rambouillet and Atlantis frames are a very good value
    and would come in for at or under your limit.

    rivendellbicycles.comrivendellbicycles.com

  5. Quoted message said:

    I'm 6'5, 37" inseam....just over the 6'3" max that XL
    frames are designed for (per a Jamis rep I talked to
    last year).

    Specialized has XXL sizes. You/Ryan may want to see if
    they'd fit.

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

  6. RE/

    Quoted message said:

    No, Rivendell offers large non-custom frames (66-68 cm).
    Their Rambouillet and Atlantis frames are a very good value
    and would come in for at or under your limit.

    rivendellbicycles.comrivendellbicycles.com

    Oops... my apologies to the original poster. I has jumped
    over to this thread from the MTB group and didn't realize it
    wasn't still in that group. Hence my MTB-centric rant...
    --
    PeteCresswell

  7. RE/

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm 6'5, 37" inseam....just over the 6'3" max that XL
    frames are designed for (per a Jamis rep I talked to
    last year).

    Specialized has XXL sizes. You/Ryan may want to see if
    they'd fit.

    No, I definately *do not* want to look....if it turns out
    they're a fit, in light of what I just spent; I'm gonna bag
    work, go home, climb into bed turn the electric blanket up
    to 9, and assume a foetal position for about a week.
    --
    PeteCresswell

  8. Tim McNamara <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Ryan said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been
    a few years since I have ridden partially because of
    poor bike fitment I believe. I am well above average
    height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso
    then an average person. My main concern is finding a
    bike that fits correctly for me. Do you think a custom
    bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my
    limit for a complete bike.

    No, Rivendell offers large non-custom frames (66-68 cm).
    Their Rambouillet and Atlantis frames are a very good
    value and would come in for at or under your limit.

    rivendellbicycles.comrivendellbicycles.com

    Good suggestion. But OP is "leggy", so the length of
    Rivendell's top tubes could be an issue.

    At 6'3", most of it in the legs, I'm sympathetic. But I'm
    very happy with my new ride, which is essentially a 63cm
    frame with a 57cm top tube. Yes it's custom. Specifically
    Chas Roberts (UK) with mostly Centaur components. All in
    about $2100, even with lousy dollar/sterling exchange rates.

    Peter Storey

  9. Tim McNamara <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Ryan said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been
    a few years since I have ridden partially because of
    poor bike fitment I believe. I am well above average
    height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso
    then an average person. My main concern is finding a
    bike that fits correctly for me. Do you think a custom
    bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my
    limit for a complete bike.

    No, Rivendell offers large non-custom frames (66-68 cm).
    Their Rambouillet and Atlantis frames are a very good
    value and would come in for at or under your limit.

    rivendellbicycles.comrivendellbicycles.com

    Good suggestion. But OP is "leggy", so the length of
    Rivendell's top tubes could be an issue.

    At 6'3", most of it in the legs, I'm sympathetic. But I'm
    very happy with my new ride, which is essentially a 63cm
    frame with a 57cm top tube. Yes it's custom. Specifically
    Chas Roberts (UK) with mostly Centaur components. All in
    about $2100, even with lousy dollar/sterling exchange rates.

    Peter Storey

  10. "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:zBeGc.26285$a24.6051@attbi_s03...

    Quoted message said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been
    a few years since I have ridden partially because of
    poor bike fitment I believe. I am well above average
    height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso
    then an average person. My main concern is finding a
    bike that fits correctly for me. Do you think a custom
    bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my
    limit for a complete bike.

    I'd say you're likely to be fit well with a 63 cm frame,
    provided you find a good shop to set you up. I think that
    large tube aluminum bikes are particularly well suited to
    tall riders because of their lateral rigidly. I would look
    at bikes like Cannondale or Klein. If you're looking for a
    flexible bike that can do it all, check out touring bikes,
    they'll take more sizes of tires, fenders, etc., plus the
    longer wheelbase provides more stability for the taller
    rider. I'm 6'10" and ride a 68 cm Cannondale touring bike,
    it works for everything from ultra-cycling to time trialing.

    I wouldn't bother going custom, unless you're interested in
    something exotic (which I wouldn't recommend until you have
    more miles in). If you get steel, you might as well just
    buy an old, nice, 25" frame (the older ones tend to have
    shorter toptubes, which would fit you well), and put a nice
    new group on
    it. That would be much cheaper (such frames are almost
    free), and if you get a custom later, you can just move
    the components over.

  11. messiah-<< My main concern is finding a bike that fits
    correctly for me. Do you think a custom bike will be the
    only route to go for me? If so who would you recommend?
    $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my limit for a complete bike.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <BR><BR>

    get a fit and go to a Waterford dealer-$2500 bike for you
    would be easy-Veloce double or triple, hand made wheels,
    etc, if you came to me.

    Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St.
    Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535 vecchios.comvecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali
    costruite eccezionalmente bene"

  12. "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<zBeGc.26285$a24.6051@attbi_s03>...

    Quoted message said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been
    a few years since I have ridden partially because of
    poor bike fitment I believe. I am well above average
    height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso
    then an average person. My main concern is finding a
    bike that fits correctly for me. Do you think a custom
    bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my
    limit for a complete bike.

    Custom frames in the US seem very pricey, you get much
    better deals in the UK and you don't have to pay the sales
    tax! I know Mercian cycles sel a lot of frames to US
    customers.

    I've actually managed to shoehorn my 16yr old (6'7", 40"
    inseam) onto a stock frame with extreme difficulty. I'm not
    going to get him a custom frame until I'm sure he's stopped
    growing. I went for a cyclocross bike with very high bottom
    bracket (to fit 21cm cranks), 60cm top-tube, a 15 cm stem, a
    400mm seatpost, wide bottom bracket so that his size 17 feet
    miss the rear derailleur. He loves it!

    LGF

  13. Ryan said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a
    few years since I have ridden partially because of poor
    bike fitment I believe. I am well above average height.
    6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs. Proportionally my
    legs are longer compared to my torso then an average
    person. My main concern is finding a bike that fits
    correctly for me. Do you think a custom bike will be the
    only route to go for me?

    No, you can do fine with commercially available frames if
    you and your dealer are willing to swap out a few
    components. You'll likely need a stem with more rise and
    extension than stock, perhaps a longer seatpost depending
    on the frame height and the original seatpost size. I'm
    taller than you are and about twice as heavy now, but your
    fit concerns are similar to those I faced in my first few
    years of riding. I always managed to make do nicely with
    stock frames.

    A good starting point for saddle height is 1.09 times your
    barefoot standing inseam, measured from the saddle top to
    the pedal top at maximum extension. Start with your
    handlebars approximately level with the saddle and adjust
    from there according to your tastes and abilities.

    Horizontal extension from seat to bars is somewhat arbitrary
    and mostly a matter of taste, but I find that if my (flat)
    handlebars are anywhere close to one cubit (elbow to
    fingertips) from the saddle nose, I feel too confined to
    ride hard. I usually opt for about 3" to 4" more than this.
    I mention this measure because it used to be an old-timer's
    rule of thumb for fitting a drop-bar bike.

    In days of yore, you rode the tallest frame you could stand
    over (or whichever one left you with a "fistful" of seatpost
    exposed), and fitted it with a stem that had a horizontal
    extension enough for your fingertips rested on the
    handlebars when your elbow was on the saddle nose.

    These fit methods are occasionally faulty, and increased
    variety of frame and component shapes have rendered such
    conventional wisdom even less reliable, but they are not
    entirely without merit. They can help with the primary
    undertaking, which is establishing an effective spatial
    relationship between the bars, saddle, and pedals. The
    secondary geometrical relationship is between those three
    points and the contact patches of the tires, which dictates
    some of the bike's handling qualities.

    The shapes of the bike frame and components that give you
    these primary and secondary geometrical characteristics are
    less important, which is why bikes that appear wildly
    different can function basically the same from a rider
    standpoint.

    Quoted message said:

    If so who would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be
    about my limit for a complete bike.

    Rivendell make a bike called the Redwood in 65cm and 68cm,
    intended for tall riders and using quite traditional rider
    position and fit principles, that sells new and complete for
    around $1500. That would be a decent choice if you don't
    mind spending some money. rivendellbicycles.comrivendellbicycles.com
    html/bikes_romulusframes.html

    I would definitely refrain from spending more than that
    until you've developed some personal opinions on what works
    well for you and what doesn't. For instance, I have found
    that I prefer longer cranks than those available on stock
    bikes, or those compatible with low bottom bracket heights.
    There are many tall riders who like short cranks just fine,
    though. A rider my height who likes 170mm cranks has a very
    different set of options in suitable bike frames than I do
    if I want to use 200mm cranks.

    As you develop opinions about what you like or dislike,
    must or must not have in a bike, that in turn will
    determine whether you must have a custom-built frame to
    suit your preferences. But first you should put in lots of
    miles on a regular bike so you can figure those things out
    for yourself.

    Chalo Colina

  14. Peter Cole said:

    "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:zBeGc.26285$a24.6051@attbi_s03...

    Quoted message said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been
    a few years since I have ridden partially because of
    poor bike fitment I believe. I am well above average
    height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso
    then an average person. My main concern is finding a
    bike that fits correctly for me. Do you think a custom
    bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my
    limit for a complete bike.

    I'd say you're likely to be fit well with a 63 cm frame,
    provided you find a good shop to set you up. I think that
    large tube aluminum bikes are particularly well suited to
    tall riders because of their lateral rigidly. I would look
    at bikes like Cannondale or Klein. If you're looking for a
    flexible bike that can do it all, check out touring bikes,
    they'll take more sizes of tires, fenders, etc., plus the
    longer wheelbase provides more stability for the taller
    rider. I'm 6'10" and ride a 68 cm Cannondale touring bike,
    it works for everything from ultra-cycling to time
    trialing.

    i second that! i'm 6'5", 35/36" inseam & ride a 61 big tube
    aluminum bianchi. very stable. big tubes are /definitely/
    the way to go for large frames.

    Quoted message said:


    I wouldn't bother going custom, unless you're interested
    in something exotic (which I wouldn't recommend until you
    have more miles in). If you get steel, you might as well
    just buy an old, nice, 25" frame (the older ones tend to
    have shorter toptubes, which would fit you well), and put
    a nice new group on
    it. That would be much cheaper (such frames are almost
    free), and if you get a custom later, you can just
    move the components over.

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