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  1. I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a few years since
    I have ridden partially because of poor bike fitment I believe. I am well
    above average height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso then an average
    person. My main concern is finding a bike that fits correctly for me. Do
    you think a custom bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my limit for a complete
    bike.

    Ryan

  2. Ryan said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a few years since
    I have ridden partially because of poor bike fitment I believe. I am well
    above average height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso then an average
    person. My main concern is finding a bike that fits correctly for me. Do
    you think a custom bike will be the only route to go for me?

    This seems likely. At your height, with the proportions you indicated,
    there are very few stock frames that would be even close to fitting you.

    Quoted message said:

    If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my limit for a
    complete bike.

    There are a number of people to talk to. One would me Mark Hickey, a
    denizen of these newsgroups who makes titanium bike frames. I think his
    custom sizes are around $900, road, mountain, or cross. You could then
    get it outfitted (Mark can do that, too) within your
    budget if you use traditional wheels (which I recommend, anyway, and with
    36 spokes) and don't go high-end on the components. http://habcycles.com

    --

    David L. Johnson

    __o | The lottery is a tax on those who fail to understand
    _`\(,_ | mathematics.
    (_)/ (_) |

  3. RE/

    Quoted message said:

    I have ridden partially because of poor bike fitment I believe. I am well
    above average height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso then an average
    person. My main concern is finding a bike that fits correctly for me. Do
    you think a custom bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my limit for a complete
    bike.

    Bottom line: Maybe - Unless you're able to ride comfortably with your bars quite
    a bit lower than the saddle (like 4-5" lower...).

    I'm 6'5, 37" inseam....just over the 6'3" max that XL frames are designed for
    (per a Jamis rep I talked to last year).

    I rode my Ellsworth Isis for several years (XL, 22"😉, gradually changing things
    until I had something I could ride in comfort for 2-3 hours at a time. In my
    case, I needed the handlebar grip surfaces at saddle height or even an inch
    above. I can ride with them lower, but after a few hours I always wind up with
    a sore neck and tunnel vision. Wearing contacts helps. It lets my lower my
    head a few degrees more because I don't have the rims of the glasses in the
    way...but for me the bars still need to be up there.

    Eventually I got paranoid about the stem extension/handlebar rise that I was
    using to achieve my position (breakage while under way and all that...) and
    decided to suck it up and spend the money for a custom frame.

    Liked it so much, I did it twice: a hardtail from Curtlo and an FS from Seven.
    (Actually 3 times - starting with a hardtail from a local dealer.... But we
    don't want to go there right now....)

    The hardtail's dimensions grew out of what I had done to my Ellsworth to make it
    comfortable. I like the result, and enjoy riding it - but I'd probably be
    even happier if I'd let the maker fit the bike to me instead of telling him what
    dimensions I wanted.

    I think it was about $1,200 delivered - including a Ritchey breakdown feature
    and custom adjustable dropouts. That would leave $1,300 for a build kit -
    maybe a more considering you wouldn't be paying for the dropouts or the
    breakdown feature.

    However...

    When I went for the FS, the first guy I approached didn't respond; and the
    second guy's frame was just too un-aesthetic. That left Seven.

    The rationale being that I couldn't see any way to even *touch* a custom FS for
    less than two grand and Seven's was "only" $800 more. Besides it used the
    Maverick suspension and it seemed like something interesting to try.

    But let's be clear here: I'm really a Walgoose-level rider.
    - A log that I'm not sure I can clear? Walk it every time....no sense risking a
    header...
    - Rock garden or hardpack? Hardpack every time.
    - A $2,800 titanium frame? Some people would puke.

    But, given that Habanero didn't have their FS in productin yet, it seemed TB the
    only game in town. I had it made without any decals and removed the logo from
    the head tube...so maybe nobody'll notice... In the end, maybe a can or two of
    Pep Boy's finest primer in different colors...

    Having said that, however: I ride 4-6 times/week; and I want to minimize my
    chances of joining Christopher Reeves. There's also a feelgood factor. Even
    such a pathetic rider as myself can enjoy something that clearly handles so much
    better. As long as my wife doesn't find out I spent enough on a freaking
    *bicycle frame* to feed an entire Somalian village for several months, I can
    live with the cost as being the lesser of two evils.

    Frankly, Seven [censored] me off in the beginning - and I'm still a little
    [censored]-off at them even now. But they saved me from myself in the end. Their
    thing seems to be "Trust Us"..... I did, and it worked. I realize now that
    what I perpetrated on my poor old Isis had defeated the bike's design. Set up
    per Seven's recommendations, the Ellsworth handles much better - but there's
    still the stem/bar failure thing.

    Seven's implementation is a whole new ballgame. That sucker is *tight*: Easier
    to balance when not moving, much more predictable when trying to weave aound
    things and there's no perceptable pedal-induced bobbing...about 80% to a
    hardtail, but with all benefits of an FS.

    At this point, I can't distinguish between what's due to Seven's frame, what's
    due to the Maverick sus system they use, and what's from being in a more
    bike-friendly position....but the whole system *does* work a lot better.

    Bottom line: I'm spoiled. Wouldn't want anything *but* a custom frame for my
    weird bod... and I'm only 6'5"...

    Problem is the cost.
    A custom FS completely-built for $2,500 bottom-line?
    No way Jose'.

    That leaves a hardtail. First place I'd go is Habanero. If you feel that the
    bars need to be at or near saddle height, I'd dig my heels in for a 6.5" or even
    7" head tube. That'll give you the height you need using 2.5" risers without
    an excessive spacer stack - yet let you move down quite a bit if you decide to
    lower the bar height.

    --
    PeteCresswell

  4. Ryan said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a few years since
    I have ridden partially because of poor bike fitment I believe. I am well
    above average height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso then an average
    person. My main concern is finding a bike that fits correctly for me. Do
    you think a custom bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my limit for a complete
    bike.

    No, Rivendell offers large non-custom frames (66-68 cm). Their
    Rambouillet and Atlantis frames are a very good value and would come
    in for at or under your limit.

    http://www.rivendellbicycles.com

  5. Quoted message said:

    I'm 6'5, 37" inseam....just over the 6'3" max that XL frames are
    designed for (per a Jamis rep I talked to last year).

    Specialized has XXL sizes. You/Ryan may want to see if they'd fit.

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

  6. RE/

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm 6'5, 37" inseam....just over the 6'3" max that XL frames are
    designed for (per a Jamis rep I talked to last year).

    Specialized has XXL sizes. You/Ryan may want to see if they'd fit.

    No, I definately *do not* want to look....if it turns out they're a fit, in
    light of what I just spent; I'm gonna bag work, go home, climb into bed turn the
    electric blanket up to 9, and assume a foetal position for about a week.
    --
    PeteCresswell

  7. RE/

    Quoted message said:

    No, Rivendell offers large non-custom frames (66-68 cm). Their
    Rambouillet and Atlantis frames are a very good value and would come
    in for at or under your limit.

    http://www.rivendellbicycles.com

    Oops... my apologies to the original poster. I has jumped over to this thread
    from the MTB group and didn't realize it wasn't still in that group. Hence my
    MTB-centric rant...
    --
    PeteCresswell

  8. Tim McNamara <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Ryan said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a few years since
    I have ridden partially because of poor bike fitment I believe. I am well
    above average height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso then an average
    person. My main concern is finding a bike that fits correctly for me. Do
    you think a custom bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my limit for a complete
    bike.

    No, Rivendell offers large non-custom frames (66-68 cm). Their
    Rambouillet and Atlantis frames are a very good value and would come
    in for at or under your limit.

    http://www.rivendellbicycles.com

    Good suggestion. But OP is "leggy", so the length of Rivendell's top
    tubes could be an issue.

    At 6'3", most of it in the legs, I'm sympathetic. But I'm very happy
    with my new ride, which is essentially a 63cm frame with a 57cm top
    tube. Yes it's custom. Specifically Chas Roberts (UK) with mostly
    Centaur components. All in about $2100, even with lousy
    dollar/sterling exchange rates.

    Peter Storey

  9. Tim McNamara <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Ryan said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a few years since
    I have ridden partially because of poor bike fitment I believe. I am well
    above average height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso then an average
    person. My main concern is finding a bike that fits correctly for me. Do
    you think a custom bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my limit for a complete
    bike.

    No, Rivendell offers large non-custom frames (66-68 cm). Their
    Rambouillet and Atlantis frames are a very good value and would come
    in for at or under your limit.

    http://www.rivendellbicycles.com

    Good suggestion. But OP is "leggy", so the length of Rivendell's top
    tubes could be an issue.

    At 6'3", most of it in the legs, I'm sympathetic. But I'm very happy
    with my new ride, which is essentially a 63cm frame with a 57cm top
    tube. Yes it's custom. Specifically Chas Roberts (UK) with mostly
    Centaur components. All in about $2100, even with lousy
    dollar/sterling exchange rates.

    Peter Storey

  10. "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:zBeGc.26285$a24.6051@attbi_s03...

    Quoted message said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a few years since
    I have ridden partially because of poor bike fitment I believe. I am well
    above average height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso then an average
    person. My main concern is finding a bike that fits correctly for me. Do
    you think a custom bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my limit for a complete
    bike.

    I'd say you're likely to be fit well with a 63 cm frame, provided you find a
    good shop to set you up. I think that large tube aluminum bikes are
    particularly well suited to tall riders because of their lateral rigidly. I
    would look at bikes like Cannondale or Klein. If you're looking for a flexible
    bike that can do it all, check out touring bikes, they'll take more sizes of
    tires, fenders, etc., plus the longer wheelbase provides more stability for
    the taller rider. I'm 6'10" and ride a 68 cm Cannondale touring bike, it works
    for everything from ultra-cycling to time trialing.

    I wouldn't bother going custom, unless you're interested in something exotic
    (which I wouldn't recommend until you have more miles in). If you get steel,
    you might as well just buy an old, nice, 25" frame (the older ones tend to
    have shorter toptubes, which would fit you well), and put a nice new group on
    it. That would be much cheaper (such frames are almost free), and if you get a
    custom later, you can just move the components over.

  11. messiah-<< My main concern is finding a bike that fits correctly for me. Do
    you think a custom bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my limit for a complete
    bike. >><BR><BR>

    get a fit and go to a Waterford dealer-$2500 bike for you would be easy-Veloce
    double or triple, hand made wheels, etc, if you came to me.

    Peter Chisholm
    Vecchio's Bicicletteria
    1833 Pearl St.
    Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535
    http://www.vecchios.com
    "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

  12. "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<zBeGc.26285$a24.6051@attbi_s03>...

    Quoted message said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a few years since
    I have ridden partially because of poor bike fitment I believe. I am well
    above average height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso then an average
    person. My main concern is finding a bike that fits correctly for me. Do
    you think a custom bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my limit for a complete
    bike.

    Custom frames in the US seem very pricey, you get much better deals in
    the UK and you don't have to pay the sales tax! I know Mercian cycles
    sel a lot of frames to US customers.

    I've actually managed to shoehorn my 16yr old (6'7", 40" inseam) onto
    a stock frame with extreme difficulty. I'm not going to get him a
    custom frame until I'm sure he's stopped growing. I went for a
    cyclocross bike with very high bottom bracket (to fit 21cm cranks),
    60cm top-tube, a 15 cm stem, a 400mm seatpost, wide bottom bracket so
    that his size 17 feet miss the rear derailleur. He loves it!

    LGF

  13. Ryan said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a few years since
    I have ridden partially because of poor bike fitment I believe. I am well
    above average height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso then an average
    person. My main concern is finding a bike that fits correctly for me. Do
    you think a custom bike will be the only route to go for me?

    No, you can do fine with commercially available frames if you and your
    dealer are willing to swap out a few components. You'll likely need a
    stem with more rise and extension than stock, perhaps a longer
    seatpost depending on the frame height and the original seatpost size.
    I'm taller than you are and about twice as heavy now, but your fit
    concerns are similar to those I faced in my first few years of riding.
    I always managed to make do nicely with stock frames.

    A good starting point for saddle height is 1.09 times your barefoot
    standing inseam, measured from the saddle top to the pedal top at
    maximum extension. Start with your handlebars approximately level
    with the saddle and adjust from there according to your tastes and
    abilities.

    Horizontal extension from seat to bars is somewhat arbitrary and
    mostly a matter of taste, but I find that if my (flat) handlebars are
    anywhere close to one cubit (elbow to fingertips) from the saddle
    nose, I feel too confined to ride hard. I usually opt for about 3" to
    4" more than this. I mention this measure because it used to be an
    old-timer's rule of thumb for fitting a drop-bar bike.

    In days of yore, you rode the tallest frame you could stand over (or
    whichever one left you with a "fistful" of seatpost exposed), and
    fitted it with a stem that had a horizontal extension enough for your
    fingertips rested on the handlebars when your elbow was on the saddle
    nose.

    These fit methods are occasionally faulty, and increased variety of
    frame and component shapes have rendered such conventional wisdom even
    less reliable, but they are not entirely without merit. They can help
    with the primary undertaking, which is establishing an effective
    spatial relationship between the bars, saddle, and pedals. The
    secondary geometrical relationship is between those three points and
    the contact patches of the tires, which dictates some of the bike's
    handling qualities.

    The shapes of the bike frame and components that give you these
    primary and secondary geometrical characteristics are less important,
    which is why bikes that appear wildly different can function basically
    the same from a rider standpoint.

    Quoted message said:

    If so who would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my limit for a
    complete bike.

    Rivendell make a bike called the Redwood in 65cm and 68cm, intended
    for tall riders and using quite traditional rider position and fit
    principles, that sells new and complete for around $1500. That would
    be a decent choice if you don't mind spending some money.
    http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/html/bikes_romulusframes.html

    I would definitely refrain from spending more than that until you've
    developed some personal opinions on what works well for you and what
    doesn't. For instance, I have found that I prefer longer cranks than
    those available on stock bikes, or those compatible with low bottom
    bracket heights. There are many tall riders who like short cranks
    just fine, though. A rider my height who likes 170mm cranks has a
    very different set of options in suitable bike frames than I do if I
    want to use 200mm cranks.

    As you develop opinions about what you like or dislike, must or must
    not have in a bike, that in turn will determine whether you must have
    a custom-built frame to suit your preferences. But first you should
    put in lots of miles on a regular bike so you can figure those things
    out for yourself.

    Chalo Colina

  14. Peter Cole said:

    "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:zBeGc.26285$a24.6051@attbi_s03...

    Quoted message said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a few years since
    I have ridden partially because of poor bike fitment I believe. I am well
    above average height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso then an average
    person. My main concern is finding a bike that fits correctly for me. Do
    you think a custom bike will be the only route to go for me? If so who
    would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my limit for a complete
    bike.

    I'd say you're likely to be fit well with a 63 cm frame, provided you find a
    good shop to set you up. I think that large tube aluminum bikes are
    particularly well suited to tall riders because of their lateral rigidly. I
    would look at bikes like Cannondale or Klein. If you're looking for a flexible
    bike that can do it all, check out touring bikes, they'll take more sizes of
    tires, fenders, etc., plus the longer wheelbase provides more stability for
    the taller rider. I'm 6'10" and ride a 68 cm Cannondale touring bike, it works
    for everything from ultra-cycling to time trialing.

    i second that! i'm 6'5", 35/36" inseam & ride a 61 big tube aluminum
    bianchi. very stable. big tubes are /definitely/ the way to go for
    large frames.

    Quoted message said:


    I wouldn't bother going custom, unless you're interested in something exotic
    (which I wouldn't recommend until you have more miles in). If you get steel,
    you might as well just buy an old, nice, 25" frame (the older ones tend to
    have shorter toptubes, which would fit you well), and put a nice new group on
    it. That would be much cheaper (such frames are almost free), and if you get a
    custom later, you can just move the components over.

  15. (Chalo) said:
    Ryan said:

    I am currently looking to purchasing a bike. It has been a few years since
    I have ridden partially because of poor bike fitment I believe. I am well
    above average height. 6'7" with a 38" inseam. I weigh 200 lbs.
    Proportionally my legs are longer compared to my torso then an average

    I'm 6'3", 200lbs, so I'm I believe I'm partially fit to comment on this.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If so who would you recommend? $2,000 - $2,500 would be about my limit for
    a complete bike.

    I would definitely refrain from spending more than that until you've
    developed some personal opinions on what works well for you and what
    doesn't.

    The best advice I can give is to visit a couple local bike shops and ask
    to test several makes. There's a decent chance you can pull one
    something good and cheap that's, by some mysterious fluke, set up *just
    perfect* for you and you alone (I call it a "Memphis Bell" after the
    legendary perfect airplane, in that it literally rides itself without
    assistance).

    I had been riding a Mongoose XR-150 (full-frame rock-jumper) around for
    about a year (picked it up for $50 in shambles, and threw about $50 more
    into it), and finally got tired of the sluggish action on pavement. I
    sold it this morning for $250 and applied that toward a 2003' model
    Giant Cypress LX* which I'd tried out the previous day (second one I
    pulled off the ceiling-hook was flawless--yowza!) and has all the
    features I like on a multi-function bike: crisp grip-shifting, lotta
    gears (27), slightly swept straight handlebars, vented gel seat on a
    suspension post, front shocks rather than straight forks (greatly aid in
    breaking).

    [* http://penncycle.com/site/itemdetails.cfm?ID=2202&Catalog=39 ]

    For more I could have sprung for the model with disc-brakes, but I
    didn't care for the feel of them when I test-rode that model. I'm used
    to rapidly pumping the levers during panic-stops (so the "disadvantage"
    of skidding really isn't there), and the discs themselves had an
    unsettling aspect of fragility to them (i.e., it's easier to keep your
    rims staying round than the disc wheel if you take a spill.

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