Taiwanese recumbents

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Don't know about availablity in USA, but they give a much needed option in the USS market. That
hardshell seat is interesting...

rorschandt

Ken Kobayashi said:

I just noticed that China Mascot Products, a Taiwanese 'bent manufacturer, announced some
new models:

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The lowracer and the Hase Pino clone are new. The other models are already available in Japan. The
Pockey7 is going for 60,000 yen ($500) and the TSUNAMI is sold as a frame kit for 50,000 ($420).

I'm sorry I don't know about the availability in the US. Does anyone know?

I don't know about general US availability, but if anybody in the Seattle area is interested in
buying one, I've got one for sale. It was shown at Interbike a while back. I'm not interested in
shipping it anywhere, and it's an extra bike in my stable so it's for sale for $500 or an
interesting offer. It's very similar to the PB-980, but it's got a built-in rear rack and I've got
it equipped with a coroplast tailbox right now. The PB-980 can be viewed here:

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and my bike can be seen here:

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If you're interested, dorp me a note off-list.

Kent Peterson Issaquah WA USA halcyon.comrando.htmlOpen ↗

Nice to see China Mascot is alive and well. They are quite affordable in the under 10 unit class
and a few Big Name Bent companies have brought them into the USA (to sell as their own), but the
deal killer was the transportation costs are too high. One Texas based company paid more on
shipping than for 2 bents and I guess that made them think twice about importing anymore. To get
these bents to go mainstream you'd need to buy in lots of 50 plus to balance out the shipping
costs. The 3 PB Models they had before were NOT lightweight bents either...adding to the shipping
cost. Get the bent down in weight and buy in lots of 20-50 and you'd have a good bent to slap your
company name on....who'd know?
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I just noticed that China Mascot Products, a Taiwanese 'bent manufacturer, announced some
new models:

recumbent.com.twmodel.htmOpen ↗

The lowracer and the Hase Pino clone are new. The other models are already available in Japan. The
Pockey7 is going for 60,000 yen ($500) and the TSUNAMI is sold as a frame kit for 50,000 ($420).

I'm sorry I don't know about the availability in the US. Does anyone know?

Ken Kobayashi [email hidden] solarwww.mtk.nao.ac.jppersonalOpen ↗

China Mascot fans,

I've just started a company, "ActionBent Recumbents", importing China Mascot bikes to the US; they're here now; See www.ActionBent.com. I brought in an initial shipment of 50 bikes. I'm in Redmond Washington. China Mascot only OEM's; you've GOT to "slap your own name" on'em! My URL is www.ActionBent.com. I've currently got three models; One is their 'Tsunami', renamed the "Tidal Wave' (couldn't use the same name, so I just translated it.)

The other two are versions of what I call "The Hurricane" (liked the sea-weather theme) ; One is an above-steering version of their PB960 with two major upgrades: A 20" front wheel instead of their 16" wheel; I think tiny wheels are deadly. The other major upgrade is upgrading from 21-speed SRAM 3.0 components to 24-speed SRAM 7.0, a very significant improvement.

The third is the "Hurricane" with under-seat steering like the Tidal Wave, but with SRAM 7.0 twist-shifters; Gets you a cool USS bike for way cheaper than the Tidal Wave. (not even yet posted on the site )

My site has just gone up in the last couple of days, and I've got two EBAY ads in as well.

I was too chicken to import their 'low-racers', and as for the 'Pocky Seven', I thought Americans wouldn't go for a recumbent with just seven speeds, even though I pretty much leave my front derailler in the middle all the time ; would like feedback on this; I'm strictly a COMFORT freek!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joshua Goldberg
[B]Nice to see China Mascot is alive and well. They are quite affordable in the under 10 unit class
and a few Big Name Bent companies have brought them into the USA (to sell as their own), but the
deal killer was the transportation costs are too high. One Texas based company paid more on
shipping than for 2 bents and I guess that made them think twice about importing anymore. To get
these bents to go mainstream you'd need to buy in lots of 50 plus to balance out the shipping
costs. The 3 PB Models they had before were NOT lightweight bents either...adding to the shipping
cost. Get the bent down in weight and buy in lots of 20-50 and you'd have a good bent to slap your
company name on....who'd know?

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"Ken Kobayashi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I just noticed that China Mascot Products, a Taiwanese 'bent manufacturer, announced some
new models:

recumbent.com.twmodel.htmOpen ↗

The lowracer and the Hase Pino clone are new. The other models are already available in Japan. The
Pockey7 is going for 60,000 yen ($500) and the TSUNAMI is sold as a frame kit for 50,000 ($420).

I'm sorry I don't know about the availability in the US. Does anyone know?

Ken Kobayashi [email hidden] solarwww.mtk.nao.ac.jppersonalOpen ↗ [/B]

Weird seeing my post from last year (below).
Note: it might get a tad confusing using the Name "Hurricane" for one of your China Mascot bents.
Not sure about how legal it is either. Re: Challenge Recumbents makes a "Hurricane" model as
well. I looked at the www.actionbent.com website and was impressed with an OSS @ only
$645.00....this should sell well. Bent riders can be a tough group to please, but $645.00 will
soften up even the most critical in our group. Didn't China Mascot release a Titanium Frame a
few months ago?

Oh and I almost forgot "Best of Luck" in your bent venture.
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China Mascot fans,

I've just started a company, "ActionBent Recumbents", importing China Mascot bikes to the US;
they're here now; See www.ActionBent.com.[/url] I brought in an initial shipment of 50 bikes. I'm
in Redmond Washington. China Mascot only OEM's; you've GOT to "slap your own name" on'em! My URL
is ]www.ActionBent.com. I've currently got three models; One is their 'Tsunami', renamed the
"Tidal Wave' (couldn't use the same name, so I just translated it.)

The other two are versions of what I call "The Hurricane" (liked the sea-weather theme) ; One is
an above-steering version of their PB960 with two major upgrades: A 20" front wheel instead of
their 16" wheel; I think tiny wheels are deadly. The other major upgrade is upgrading from
21-speed SRAM 3.0 components to 24-speed SRAM 7.0, a very significant improvement.

The third is the "Hurricane" with under-seat steering like the Tidal Wave, but with SRAM 7.0
twist-shifters; Gets you a cool USS bike for way cheaper than the Tidal Wave. (not even yet posted
on the site )

My site has just gone up in the last couple of days, and I've got two EBAY ads in as well.

I was too chicken to import their 'low-racers', and as for the 'Pocky Seven', I thought Americans
wouldn't go for a recumbent with just seven speeds, even though I pretty much leave my front
derailler in the middle all the time ; would like feedback on this; I'm strictly a COMFORT freek!

--
Randy Schulman Founder and Big Wheel, ActionBent Recumbents 17930 NE 127th St Redmond,Wa, 98052
Fax 425-650-4037

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Randy Schulman said:

... The other two are versions of what I call "The Hurricane" (liked the sea-weather theme) ; One
is an above-steering version of their PB960 with two major upgrades: A 20" front wheel instead of
their 16" wheel; I think tiny wheels are deadly....

You have just alienated the entire ownership of ISO 305-mm/ISO 406-mm wheel lowracers owners.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities Red Sunset and Blue Dragonflyer 🙂

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China Mascot fans,

I've just started a company, "ActionBent Recumbents", importing China Mascot bikes to the US;
they're here now; See www.ActionBent.com.[/url] I brought in an initial shipment of 50 bikes. I'm
in Redmond Washington. China Mascot only OEM's; you've GOT to "slap your own name" on'em! My URL
is ]www.ActionBent.com. I've currently got three models; One is their 'Tsunami', renamed the
"Tidal Wave' (couldn't use the same name, so I just translated it.)

The other two are versions of what I call "The Hurricane" (liked the sea-weather theme) ; One is
an above-steering version of their PB960 with two major upgrades: A 20" front wheel instead of
their 16" wheel; I think tiny wheels are deadly. The other major upgrade is upgrading from
21-speed SRAM 3.0 components to 24-speed SRAM 7.0, a very significant improvement.

The third is the "Hurricane" with under-seat steering like the Tidal Wave, but with SRAM 7.0
twist-shifters; Gets you a cool USS bike for way cheaper than the Tidal Wave. (not even yet posted
on the site )

My site has just gone up in the last couple of days, and I've got two EBAY ads in as well.

I was too chicken to import their 'low-racers', and as for the 'Pocky Seven', I thought Americans
wouldn't go for a recumbent with just seven speeds, even though I pretty much leave my front
derailler in the middle all the time ; would like feedback on this; I'm strictly a COMFORT freek!

--
Randy Schulman Founder and Big Wheel, ActionBent Recumbents 17930 NE 127th St Redmond,Wa, 98052
Fax 425-650-4037

Mr. Schulman:

I must commend you for offering such a high quality recumbent bicycle at a reasonable price. I
believe you will do very well indeed once you get sufficient exposure.

It looks like the Lightning Thunderbolt and the RANS Rocket will have some serious competition;-)

Edward Wong Orlando, FL

Yeah, all hundred and six of them. <g> "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Randy Schulman said:

... The other two are versions of what I call "The Hurricane" (liked the sea-weather theme) ;
One is an above-steering version of their PB960 with two major upgrades: A 20" front wheel
instead of their 16" wheel; I think tiny wheels are deadly....

You have just alienated the entire ownership of ISO 305-mm/ISO 406-mm wheel lowracers owners.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities Red Sunset and Blue Dragonflyer 🙂

Joshua Goldberg said:

Note: it might get a tad confusing using the Name "Hurricane" for one of your China Mascot bents.
Not sure about how legal it is either. Re: Challenge Recumbents makes a "Hurricane" model as
well.

Yeah I thought that too. I don't think "Typhoon" is taken.

Ken Kobayashi [email hidden] solarwww.mtk.nao.ac.jppersonalOpen ↗

Why not the lowracer? If it is streetable and a decent price it should go over real well.

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China Mascot fans,

I've just started a company, "ActionBent Recumbents", importing China Mascot bikes to the US;
they're here now; See www.ActionBent.com.[/url] I brought in an initial shipment of 50 bikes.
I'm in Redmond Washington. China Mascot only OEM's; you've GOT to "slap your own name" on'em! My
URL is ]www.ActionBent.com. I've currently got three models; One is their 'Tsunami', renamed the
"Tidal Wave' (couldn't use the same name, so I just translated it.)

The other two are versions of what I call "The Hurricane" (liked the sea-weather theme) ; One is
an above-steering version of their PB960 with two major upgrades: A 20" front wheel instead of
their 16" wheel; I think tiny wheels are deadly. The other major upgrade is upgrading from
21-speed SRAM 3.0 components to 24-speed SRAM 7.0, a very significant improvement.

The third is the "Hurricane" with under-seat steering like the Tidal Wave, but with SRAM 7.0
twist-shifters; Gets you a cool USS bike for way cheaper than the Tidal Wave. (not even yet
posted on the site )

My site has just gone up in the last couple of days, and I've got two EBAY ads in as well.

I was too chicken to import their 'low-racers', and as for the 'Pocky Seven', I thought
Americans wouldn't go for a recumbent with just seven speeds, even though I pretty much leave my
front derailler in the middle all the time ; would like feedback on this; I'm strictly a COMFORT
freek!

--
Randy Schulman Founder and Big Wheel, ActionBent Recumbents 17930 NE 127th St Redmond,Wa, 98052
Fax 425-650-4037

Mr. Schulman:

I must commend you for offering such a high quality recumbent bicycle at a reasonable price. I
believe you will do very well indeed once you get sufficient exposure.

It looks like the Lightning Thunderbolt and the RANS Rocket will have some serious competition;-)

Edward Wong Orlando, FL

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Joshua Goldberg said:

Note: it might get a tad confusing using the Name "Hurricane" for one of your China Mascot bents.
Not sure about how legal it is either. Re: Challenge Recumbents makes a "Hurricane" model as
well.

Yeah I thought that too. I don't think "Typhoon" is taken.

Schwinn. If that matters now. "Storm" is fine, too. How about "Monsoon"? "Deluge"? or "Pouring Down
Like a Cow Pissing on a Flat Rock"? Sort of long I guess...

Rorschandt
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A good one in place of Hurricane might be the "SLASHER" a) because it contains my middle name
re: Asher (not Slash) and b) because it implies a cutting action as in cutting through the wind.
(not bad eh)
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Ken Kobayashi <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Joshua Goldberg said:

Note: it might get a tad confusing using the Name "Hurricane" for one of your China Mascot
bents. Not sure about how legal it is either. Re: Challenge Recumbents makes a "Hurricane"
model as well.

Yeah I thought that too. I don't think "Typhoon" is taken.

Schwinn. If that matters now. "Storm" is fine, too. How about "Monsoon"? "Deluge"? or "Pouring
Down Like a Cow Pissing on a Flat Rock"? Sort of

long

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I guess...

Rorschandt
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A good one in place of Hurricane might be the "SLASHER" a) because it contains my middle name
re: Asher (not Slash) and b) because it implies a cutting action as in cutting through the wind.
(not bad eh)
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Cutting wind, eh? How about the "Fart". Fast,usually silent, and sometimes deadly. When the new
models,come out, you can advertise last year's models as The Old Farts! Or it could be an acronym
like, Father of All Recumbent (some word beginning with T).

--Rorschandt <A HREF="mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]"

harv said:

Yeah, all hundred and six of them. <g>

I doubt the combined production of ISO 305-mm/ISO 406-mm wheel size lowracers is greater than 50.
There are 18 Sunsets known to exist [1]. Does anyone have the number of Pharobike Lowfats and ISO
305-mm front wheel Ross Festine were made?

[1] I believe that over half of them are in Illinois.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

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Weird seeing my post from last year (below).
Note: it might get a tad confusing using the Name "Hurricane" for one of your China Mascot bents.
Not sure about how legal it is either. Re: Challenge Recumbents makes a "Hurricane" model as
well. I looked at the www.actionbent.com website and was impressed with an OSS @ only
$645.00....this should sell well. Bent riders can be a tough group to please, but $645.00
will soften up even the most critical in our group. Didn't China Mascot release a Titanium
Frame a few months ago?

Oh and I almost forgot "Best of Luck" in your bent venture.
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I'm probably one of Randy's first customers. My Tidal Wave will jopin the

TE in the stable sometime early next week. SO far, Randy has been pleasant and responsive to my
questions, not to mention offering one of the best deals on a SWB USS in the USA right now.

I'll post about the bike when it arrives and I get some seat time logged. One of the reasons I
bought it was its utter difference from my Tour Easy and the potential of having a lightweight
mid-hi BB climbing machine.

Tom Thompson

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Randy Schulman said:

... The other two are versions of what I call "The Hurricane" (liked the sea-weather theme) ;
One is an above-steering version of their PB960 with two major upgrades: A 20" front wheel
instead of their 16" wheel; I think tiny wheels are deadly....

You have just alienated the entire ownership of ISO 305-mm/ISO 406-mm wheel lowracers owners.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities Red Sunset and Blue Dragonflyer 🙂

I own a couple 305/406 wheeled low racers and don't feel alienated by that statement. However just
because one owns a Sunset doesn't mean it is their prefered ride. My Sunset is collecting dust and I
consider it obsolete because my Bacchetta Aero with its dual 559 wheels is faster on level ground,
faster up hill, faster down hill, smoother riding, better handling at high speeds, safer in traffic,
lower rolling resistance, lighter, has a more efficient drivetrain and is better looking (all IMHO
of course). As far as the wheel diameters go I'm really becoming a believer in bigger is better. The
small wheeled compact lowracers like the Sunset only seem to have an advantage if the rider is short
or is trying to transport it inside a small hatchback or a suitcase on an airplane.

My Sunset does also have an edge over my Aero for practical transportation in terms of having a high
capacity rear rack, mudguards, fat tyre clearances and disc brakes. However for practical
transportation in the conditions where I'd need mudguards I prefer the added safety and stability of
a trike and for transportation in dense urban areas I prefer the practicality and higher ride height
of my HP Velotechnik Street Machine GT which has a 406mm front wheel, 559mm rear wheel and full
suspension.

The Sunset is still a very high quality bike with many nice features and was ahead of its time but I
just don't see myself riding it much anymore.

Zach Kaplan

Zach Kaplan Cycles said:

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Randy Schulman said:

... The other two are versions of what I call "The Hurricane" (liked the sea-weather theme) ;
One is an above-steering version of their PB960 with two major upgrades: A 20" front wheel
instead of their 16" wheel; I think tiny wheels are deadly....

You have just alienated the entire ownership of ISO 305-mm/ISO 406-mm wheel lowracers owners.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities Red Sunset and Blue Dragonflyer 🙂

I own a couple 305/406 wheeled low racers and don't feel alienated by that statement. However just
because one owns a Sunset doesn't mean it is their prefered ride. My Sunset is collecting dust and
I consider it obsolete because my Bacchetta Aero with its dual 559 wheels is faster on level
ground, faster up hill, faster down hill, smoother riding, better handling at high speeds, safer
in traffic, lower rolling resistance, lighter, has a more efficient drivetrain and is better
looking (all IMHO of course). As far as the wheel diameters go I'm really becoming a believer in
bigger is better. The small wheeled compact lowracers like the Sunset only seem to have an
advantage if the rider is short or is trying to transport it inside a small hatchback or a
suitcase on an airplane.

My Sunset does also have an edge over my Aero for practical transportation in terms of having a
high capacity rear rack, mudguards, fat tyre clearances and disc brakes. However for practical
transportation in the conditions where I'd need mudguards I prefer the added safety and stability
of a trike and for transportation in dense urban areas I prefer the practicality and higher ride
height of my HP Velotechnik Street Machine GT which has a 406mm front wheel, 559mm rear wheel and
full suspension.

The Sunset is still a very high quality bike with many nice features and was ahead of its time but
I just don't see myself riding it much anymore.

Zach,

The comment about alienating small wheel lowracer owners was tongue in cheek - our numbers are
so small as to be of little concern to the importer of bikes from what is presumably a
high-volume factory.

Did you decide to use ISO 559-mm wheels on your Aero for tire availability reasons, and do the
brakes have enough adjustment to properly compensate for the 6 mm difference in wheel radius?

Looks are subjective as I find the Aero a merely acceptable looking bike except for the "tweener"
handlebars, which I would replace with narrow T-bars for aesthetic reasons if I bought one. I have
also observed many women reacting to the Sunset in a manner similar to the way they would to a cute
puppy or kitten which I do not see happening with an Aero.

I do transport my Sunset inside a small hatchback on a regular basis and not having to do any
assembly/disassembly is a positive attribute, as I find assembling and disassembling bikes on a
regular basis to be a major PITA.

Small wheels have a psychological advantage as most upright riders as consternated to find a bike
with "kiddie wheels" going faster than they are. 🙂

Finally, a lowracer will be more responsive than a highracer due to the shorter vertical moment arm
between the tire contact patches and the center of gravity of the combined bike/rider. Whether or
not this is an advantage will depend entirely on rider preference.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

Tom Sherman said:

Does anyone have the number of Pharobike Lowfats and ISO 305-mm front wheel Ross Festine
were made?

Were there *any* 305-front Festinae? I'd be somewhat surprised coz 305 is a rare size over here and
good tyres in it are very hard to find.

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Dave Larrington said:

Tom Sherman said:

Does anyone have the number of Pharobike Lowfats and ISO 305-mm front wheel Ross Festine
were made?

Were there *any* 305-front Festinae? I'd be somewhat surprised coz 305 is a rare size over here
and good tyres in it are very hard to find.

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I rode at least one of them, and vaguely recall seeing another being packaged for a customer. IIRC,
it was just the last few that had 305's.

Nobody said they they had good tyres :-)

Cheers

John

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