T-Mobile WTF ?!?!

debe said:

Okay guys (& gals), to get things clear:

1) I am german.

2) I always liked Ulrich, no matter how many times he got second in the TdF.

3) I do not care about who doped in which way or not.

4) I enjoyed Kloeden riding into 3rd place yesterday
and dropping Landis (for sports reasons, not patriotic ones).

5) Could someone please explain to me WTF T-Mobile thought
today by letting Landis ride that far up front ?!?!
Is Olaf Ludwig suffering brain damage from drugs he took
during his times in the GDR ?!?! Jeeeee.....s !!!!!!

I don't get it. Not at all.

Still wondering,
debe

P.S.: Landis really gave it to the rest of the peloton.
Have to pay respect to that man.

Heil!

What's with you Gemans? Why do you think every great accomplishment
involves the greatest kampf? Not winning the tdf, usually. Or, at
least, that kampf (struggle) comes before the race.

I see Kloeden winning the the most boring way possible:

18. T-Mobile rides in a pack losing no time tomorrow setting a high
pace. Maybe a leader has a wreck or something. Or Landis get an upset
stomach from all the pain meds.

19. Kloeden takes the lead in the time trial.

20. T-Mobile goose-steps into Paris.

debe said:

5) Could someone please explain to me WTF T-Mobile thought
today by letting Landis ride that far up front ?!?!
Is Olaf Ludwig suffering brain damage from drugs he took
during his times in the GDR ?!?! Jeeeee.....s !!!!!!

I admire the riding ability of the guys on Tmobile immensley, but WTF
are they ever thinking. Strategy seems to be there weakest area. IE
Chasing down their own man (Vino) last year. Leading back Landis,
albiet temporarily yesterday. They always seem to do some things that
are difficult to explain.

That was exactly what they should have done. Menchov was in the break and
at the time perhaps he was a bigger target to Kloden than Landis. They
could not have known that Landis was going to lose 10min.

"Art" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1153417846.145653.309980@

Quoted message said:

Chasing down their own man (Vino) last year. Leading back Landis,
albiet temporarily yesterday. They always seem to do some things that
are difficult to explain.

"debe" <hulk@kill_kunich.com> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Okay guys (& gals), to get things clear:

1) I am german.

2) I always liked Ulrich, no matter how many times he got second in the
TdF.

3) I do not care about who doped in which way or not.

4) I enjoyed Kloeden riding into 3rd place yesterday
and dropping Landis (for sports reasons, not patriotic ones).

5) Could someone please explain to me WTF T-Mobile thought
today by letting Landis ride that far up front ?!?!
Is Olaf Ludwig suffering brain damage from drugs he took
during his times in the GDR ?!?! Jeeeee.....s !!!!!!

I don't get it. Not at all.

Still wondering,
debe

P.S.: Landis really gave it to the rest of the peloton.
Have to pay respect to that man.

NO ONE expected him to ride that hard that long and survive. Pantani was
weak at the end. Chiapucci was falling down exhausted at the end. Hinault
fell apart after his marvelous breakaway.

Floyd hardly looked tired!

T-Mobile followed classic strategy which was to follow the lead of the
Yellow Jersey's team who were expected to control breaks. Illes Balares
weren't strong enough though we have to give them credit for keeping Pereiro
in the yellow today against one of the historic rides of the Tour de France!

Keep this stage in our hearts because you can bet that another 15 years will
pass before anything so dramatic will occur again.

Jeff C said:

How about this quote (cyclingnews.com)?! "At T-Mobile, we had no
tactics today," Rogers continued.

Well, I guess no tactics are better than the tactics where they
smoothly bridge the opposing GC captain across a gap and up to your
wheel, dude.

debe said:

Okay guys (& gals), to get things clear:

1) I am german.

2) I always liked Ulrich, no matter how many times he got second in the TdF.

3) I do not care about who doped in which way or not.

4) I enjoyed Kloeden riding into 3rd place yesterday
and dropping Landis (for sports reasons, not patriotic ones).

5) Could someone please explain to me WTF T-Mobile thought
today by letting Landis ride that far up front ?!?!
Is Olaf Ludwig suffering brain damage from drugs he took
during his times in the GDR ?!?! Jeeeee.....s !!!!!!

I don't get it. Not at all.

Still wondering,
debe

Wonder no more.

Kloeden gave up after his stage win when he discovered that a pink
helmet just does not go with a yellow jersey.

Quoted message said:

P.S.: Landis really gave it to the rest of the peloton.
Have to pay respect to that man.

Jeff C said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/tour06/index.php?id=/photos/2006/tour06/tour0617/DV95064

Michael Rogers, whose T-Mobile team leader Andreas Klöden finished
over seven minutes behind Landis, said he could not believe his eyes
when Landis raced the 16km towards the summit of the first mountain
pass, the Col de Saisies.

"He was like a motorbike. On my first climb I don't think I've ever
gone so quick up a mountain trying to follow him," said Rogers.
"Unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it."

How about this quote (cyclingnews.com)?! "At T-Mobile, we had no
tactics today," Rogers continued.

I wonder why he used the word "today."

Ron

In article <[email hidden]>,

RonSonic said:

On 20 Jul 2006 13:34:49 -0700, "Jeff C" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How about this quote (cyclingnews.com)?! "At T-Mobile, we had no
tactics today," Rogers continued.

Just because he said "today" doesn't mean he's excluding every other day.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Tom Kunich said:

NO ONE expected him to ride that hard that long and survive. Pantani was
weak at the end. Chiapucci was falling down exhausted at the end. Hinault
fell apart after his marvelous breakaway.

Floyd hardly looked tired!

T-Mobile followed classic strategy which was to follow the lead of the
Yellow Jersey's team who were expected to control breaks. Illes Balares
weren't strong enough though we have to give them credit for keeping Pereiro
in the yellow today against one of the historic rides of the Tour de France!

Keep this stage in our hearts because you can bet that another 15 years will
pass before anything so dramatic will occur again.

It pains me to acknowledge it, but you are exactly right.

At the time Flandis rode away, any other rider would be thinking that
they had better NOT follow him. "Sure, he'll probably crack. Maybe he
won't. But I damned well WILL crack if I go with him, and I'll probably
crack before he does." Limited resources versus a guy who decides today
to ignore the very concept of limits.

The climactic scene from Gattacca springs oddly to mind:

"Vincent! How are you doing this?"

"I never saved any for the trip back."

--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall
I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the
trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view,
the most insidious of traitors."
George H.W. Bush, April 16, 1999,

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

RonSonic said:

On 20 Jul 2006 13:34:49 -0700, "Jeff C" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How about this quote (cyclingnews.com)?! "At T-Mobile, we had no
tactics today," Rogers continued.

Just because he said "today" doesn't mean he's excluding every other day.

And that's any better? No strategy on the last day in the Alps?

Greg

--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

In article <[email hidden]>, "G.T." <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

RonSonic said:

On 20 Jul 2006 13:34:49 -0700, "Jeff C" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

>How about this quote (cyclingnews.com)?! "At T-Mobile, we had no
>tactics today," Rogers continued.

Just because he said "today" doesn't mean he's excluding every other day.

And that's any better? No strategy on the last day in the Alps?

Greg

Nah, just saying "today" makes it seem better. Rather than saying, "We have no
tactics ever."

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

debe said:

Okay guys (& gals), to get things clear:

1) I am german.

2) I always liked Ulrich, no matter how many times he got second in the TdF.

3) I do not care about who doped in which way or not.

4) I enjoyed Kloeden riding into 3rd place yesterday
and dropping Landis (for sports reasons, not patriotic ones).

5) Could someone please explain to me WTF T-Mobile thought
today by letting Landis ride that far up front ?!?!
Is Olaf Ludwig suffering brain damage from drugs he took
during his times in the GDR ?!?! Jeeeee.....s !!!!!!

I don't get it. Not at all.

Still wondering,
debe

P.S.: Landis really gave it to the rest of the peloton.
Have to pay respect to that man.

I don't think CSC nor T-Mobile thought his attack would stick...so they
let him go until it was too late. BUT surprised T-Mobile and CSC and
Lotto(Evans) didn't take their turn at the front, even before it was
obvious that Floyd wasn't gonna break like the day previous.

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:38:19 GMT, RonSonic <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I wonder why he used the word "today."

Ron

Very Zen. He lives in the moment.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

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Quoted message said:

debe said:

Okay guys (& gals), to get things clear:

1) I am german.

2) I always liked Ulrich, no matter how many times he got second in the
TdF.

3) I do not care about who doped in which way or not.

4) I enjoyed Kloeden riding into 3rd place yesterday
and dropping Landis (for sports reasons, not patriotic ones).

5) Could someone please explain to me WTF T-Mobile thought
today by letting Landis ride that far up front ?!?!
Is Olaf Ludwig suffering brain damage from drugs he took
during his times in the GDR ?!?! Jeeeee.....s !!!!!!

I don't get it. Not at all.

Still wondering,
debe

P.S.: Landis really gave it to the rest of the peloton.
Have to pay respect to that man.

I don't think CSC nor T-Mobile thought his attack would stick...so they
let him go until it was too late. BUT surprised T-Mobile and CSC and
Lotto(Evans) didn't take their turn at the front, even before it was
obvious that Floyd wasn't gonna break like the day previous.

The speed of that stage was way up there. After Floyd went up the road it
would have burned out most teams to chase and no one wanted to cripple their
teams at that point.

Floyd had a really good day and everyone else had a really bad one. That
happens very seldom and I don't expect it to happen again in my lifetime.

Tom Kunich said:

The speed of that stage was way up there. After Floyd went up the road it
would have burned out most teams to chase and no one wanted to cripple their
teams at that point.

T-Mobile ended up with 6 of their riders in the yellow jersey
group (and their other was in front of that) so it can't have
been that hard for them. If they're strong enough to
ride in the group, they were strong enough to keep Landis
from getting the ridiculous amount of time he did by the time
they got over the second Col de la Colombiere.