Swimsuit rant

I prefer the tyr brand jammer. It has a less severe "v" cut to the front liner. No rubbing. also the
flat rope waist ties are in my opinon better than the "rope" style speedo uses.

Use speedo briefs all the time. Never tried the tyr brand. Guess I won't after your comment. JP

G left this mess on Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:06:45 GMT for The Way to clean up:

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What is it with TYR suits nowadays? Their men's suits are now cut so narrow at the front that it's
impossible to wear modestly. I'm switching to other brands...

[censored], gary, I'd have worn a thong if they had them back in my day. Stop being a baby.

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I prefer the tyr brand jammer. It has a less severe "v" cut to the front liner. No rubbing. also
the flat rope waist ties are in my opinon better than the "rope" style speedo uses. Use speedo
briefs all the time. Never tried the tyr brand. Guess I won't after your comment. JP

Eh...*hiding*... hope I won't get sued for defamation or something. But seriously...someone at TYR
should realise that their men's briefs are going to be worn by men...not ladies! They used to be ok,
but now are cut with such a severely flat "V" in front that it's impossible to wear decently. I
still have a TYR one that I got at a sale ($10 for two I think) which is unwearable because of that.
Ah well. luck for me it was a sale item. Lucky for Arena and Speedo too!

I found an obscure brand in asia called "DAL" which made quite sturdy swimsuits for a great price.
Same materials; just thicker and well made. The salesperson informed me that the company was going
out of the sportswear business though. Just goes to show that quality doesn't always sell itself.

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I prefer the tyr brand jammer. It has a less severe "v" cut to the front liner. No rubbing. also
the flat rope waist ties are in my opinon better than the "rope"

style

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speedo uses. Use speedo briefs all the time. Never tried the tyr brand. Guess I

won't

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after your comment. JP

Eh...*hiding*... hope I won't get sued for defamation or something. But seriously...someone at TYR
should realise that their men's briefs are going to be worn by men...not ladies! They used to be
ok, but now are cut with such a severely flat "V" in front that it's impossible to wear decently.
I still have a TYR one that I got at a sale ($10 for two I think) which is unwearable because of
that. Ah well. luck for me it was a sale item. Lucky for Arena and Speedo too!

maybe there was a reason they were $10 for two :P

G said:

What is it with TYR suits nowadays? Their men's suits are now cut so narrow at the front that it's
impossible to wear modestly. I'm switching to other brands...

Speedo has a line for people who are ashamed of the human body.

martin

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m. w. smith said:

G said:

What is it with TYR suits nowadays? Their men's suits are now cut so narrow at the front that
it's impossible to wear modestly. I'm switching to other brands...

Speedo has a line for people who are ashamed of the human body.

polite modesty or no, there's a drag issue with a suit that exposes the top of the crotch. Who needs
a closed scoop catching water?

It sounds like men now have the option to buy swimsuits that were meant to be seen in, not actually
used for swimming. Women have had those around for decades.

--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com

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m. w. smith said:

G said:

What is it with TYR suits nowadays? Their men's suits are now cut so narrow at the front that
it's impossible to wear modestly. I'm switching to other brands...

Speedo has a line for people who are ashamed of the human body.

polite modesty or no, there's a drag issue with a suit that exposes the

top

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of the crotch. Who needs a closed scoop catching water?

It sounds like men now have the option to buy swimsuits that were meant to

be

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seen in, not actually used for swimming. Women have had those around for

decades.

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--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com

The first and most fundamental question the swimming suit philosopher asks is why bother with one at
all? It can't be any sense of modesty (whatever that means) as today's costumes are so small and
body hugging, that they don 't actually conceal anything except perhaps the colour of a tiny portion
of your skin. This was not so when I was a lad, before the days of lycra etc. I was nurtured on
woollen swimming trunks. Don't laugh, we all were then. I recall my mother knitting my earliest
costumes. Apparently derived from the under-wardrobe of Scott of the Antarctic, they were a sort of
chain mail creation held up by a doughty girdle spliced out of industrial strength knicker elastic.
Because this aquatic corset was so heavy (especially when wet) the elastic had to be so strong
Bernard Manning could have bungee jumped quite safely with it. Consequently, the red marks around my
middle used to have only just begun to fade after one week's school swimming lesson before the next
came along. The trunks would instantly water-log and create more drag than Lilly Savage on a hen
night. This made swimming impossible and, upon hauling the immense gushing weight from the pool, it
would hang down below my knees like an overdue nappy. At such times I wished our family could have
been more close knit. The girls had similar contraptions but with shoulder straps to take the
weight. Unfortunately the sodden wool was very stretchy, so it was not unusual to see glum looking
girls with their wet costumes below navel level, suspended on what looked like braces made of well
chewed bubble gum.

When I was a little older I was allowed to have shop bought trunks. Being a finer yarn these were a
slight improvement when dry, but they were still made of wool and retained gallons of water, which
dripped for hours after you had left the water. It was a toss up whether you got nappy rash or
trench foot when you had a day at the beach. It was on one such excursion that I discovered the
purpose of the frilly little skirt that all girls seemed to have around the bums of their costumes
in those days. Clearly it was to dry your feet on, so I did. Though I saved myself from trench foot,
I got a sore behind from the girl's mother for my trouble. The manufacturers did not however have my
mother's over-engineered view of knicker elastic and, though they were more comfortable on dry land,
it was quite common to see swimmer and costume part company after a dive-in.

Cotton seemed quite common in those times to construct girls' cozzies. Lovely and light when dry,
and transparent when wet. Later that stretchy stuff came along and at last costumes started to be
made which retained some semblance of shape, albeit the cozzy's shape rather than that of the
swimmer. For most of my teen years however, I assumed that any material which wasn't black didn't
float, as you could not buy a costume in any other colour, unless you were a body-builder, in which
case they were gold lamé.

The modern materials we have now changed all that. Now there are colours and styles for all. All
women that is. Not all men. Look in any catalogue and you will notice that there are no men over a
38" waist. Well there can't be, can there? Otherwise there would be costumes for them, and there
aren't. The downsizing of modern styles coincided with the upsizing of my body, and some while ago I
started having trouble finding swimming trunks which did not cut off the circulation in the
matrimonial department. The tiny, hip hugging slips which look OK on the top dogs of our sport sadly
make me look like Billy Bunter in a posing pouch. Utility outweighs vanity in my thinking, and I
refuse to retreat in to wearing the kind of baggy shorts which adorn the nether regions of so many
pool users now. Women had the good sense to stop trying to swim in divided skirts some hundred years
ago, but men seem to have re-discovered them in recent times. The voluminous folds of these silly
garments surround the wearer in the water like the trailing tentacles of a Portuguese Man-O-War.
Swimming in 'It-Ain't-Half-Hot-Mum' shorts is about as easy as getting a Committee meeting over with
quickly. Ten steps out of the pool or sea and you're back to the days of nappy rash. What's more
they trap air bubbles in their folds, making it look like you are suffering from underwater wind
even when you're innocent.

The latest craze for top competitors with more money than sense is the whole body suit. This makes
you look as if you have been caught trying on Grandad' s winter combinations. I gather they are so
far only used in high class competitions but, as badges of The Great, I predict that pester power
among the young will bring them down to club level galas soon. Imagine though, the ignominy of
loosing, having spent six months of Dad's beer money on one of these body-condoms! Anyway, if such
equipment gimmicks are allowed, why stop there? Why not allow fins and paddles? No doubt an outboard
motor strapped to the backside would make you go faster too. However, even if they do work (which I
doubt) I don't think whole body suits will actually re-introduce the Victorian madness of swimming
fully dressed, as they could only be of any use to swimmers who are good enough to not really need
them anyway.

Finally, a word on the proper care of swimming costumes. As any mother will know, the care of girls'
costumes is fundamentally different from boys'. Girls' costumes must be washed after every outing,
dried, scented, ironed if possible, aired and hung on a hanger among at least a dozen other
costumes. Boys trunks should be screwed up in to a tiny wet ball and hidden indefinitely under a
pair of muddy football boots in a bag, together with a towel which can be either similarly treated,
or more usually lost. The advantage of the boys' costume care programme is that it makes the sports
bag impossible to loose, as it is always instantly located by the pungent smell of mildew it exudes.

However, I see more enlightened times ahead. As more people take continental holidays they will
discover, as I have, that on most French, Dutch, Danish and German beaches, once you get a couple of
hundred metres away from the end of the prom., most people swim in the most comfortable costumes of
all - their birthday suits. Once you have overcome the head rush of your first

the same thing, and you have actually been expensively conned all your life. The truth is, you don't
actually need a costume to swim at all.

Jason O'Rourke said:

m. w. smith said:

G said:

What is it with TYR suits nowadays? Their men's suits are now cut so narrow at the front that
it's impossible to wear modestly. I'm switching to other brands...

Speedo has a line for people who are ashamed of the human body.

polite modesty or no, there's a drag issue with a suit that exposes the top of the crotch. Who
needs a closed scoop catching water?

Pull the drawstring tighter.

Quoted message said:

It sounds like men now have the option to buy swimsuits that were meant to be seen in, not
actually used for swimming. Women have had those around for decades.

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president.

Quoted message said:

It sounds like men now have the option to buy swimsuits that were meant to

be

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seen in, not actually used for swimming. Women have had those around for

decades.

Quoted message said:

--
Jason O'Rourke

You're kidding, right? Men's suits have always had a wide range of styles, materials, and lengths.
Women have only form-fitting nylon/lycra/polyester to chose from. When was the last time you saw a
woman's swimsuit made out of woven cloth?

Pat in TX

m. w. smith said:

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Quoted message said:

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:06:45 GMT, G <[email hidden]> wrote:
> What is it with TYR suits nowadays? Their men's suits are now cut so narrow at the front that
> it's impossible to wear modestly. I'm

of the crotch. Who needs a closed scoop catching water?

Pull the drawstring tighter.

Actually I was referring to the sides(not the top) of the nether regions being exposed in the newest
TYR men's briefs.

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What is it with TYR suits nowadays? Their men's suits are now cut so narrow at the front that it's
impossible to wear modestly. I'm switching to other brands...

I have a tyr suit, its about 2 yrs old, fits like new, but isnt made of the same materail as others.
i love it. my speedos were out with in a yr. they also do one good thing at races, they "flaten out"
the "front".

Micheal

Duncan Heenan said:

The first and most fundamental question the swimming suit philosopher asks is why bother with one
at all? It can't be any sense of modesty (whatever that means) as today's costumes are so small and
body hugging, that they don 't actually conceal anything except perhaps the colour of a tiny
portion of your skin. This was not so when I was a lad, before the days of lycra etc. I was
nurtured on woollen swimming trunks. Don't laugh, we all were then. I recall my mother knitting my
earliest costumes. Apparently derived from the under-wardrobe of Scott of the Antarctic, they were
a sort of chain mail creation held up by a doughty girdle spliced out of industrial strength
knicker elastic. Because this aquatic corset was so heavy (especially when wet) the elastic had to
be so strong Bernard Manning could have bungee jumped quite safely with it. Consequently, the red
marks around my middle used to have only just begun to fade after one week's school swimming lesson
before the next came along. The trunks would instantly water-log and create more drag than Lilly
Savage on a hen night. This made swimming impossible and, upon hauling the immense gushing weight
from the pool, it would hang down below my knees like an overdue nappy. At such times I wished our
family could have been more close knit. The girls had similar contraptions but with shoulder straps
to take the weight. Unfortunately the sodden wool was very stretchy, so it was not unusual to see
glum looking girls with their wet costumes below navel level, suspended on what looked like braces
made of well chewed bubble gum.

When I was a little older I was allowed to have shop bought trunks. Being a finer yarn these were a
slight improvement when dry, but they were still made of wool and retained gallons of water, which
dripped for hours after you had left the water. It was a toss up whether you got nappy rash or
trench foot when you had a day at the beach. It was on one such excursion that I discovered the
purpose of the frilly little skirt that all girls seemed to have around the bums of their costumes
in those days. Clearly it was to dry your feet on, so I did. Though I saved myself from trench
foot, I got a sore behind from the girl's mother for my trouble. The manufacturers did not however
have my mother's over-engineered view of knicker elastic and, though they were more comfortable on
dry land, it was quite common to see swimmer and costume part company after a dive-in.

Cotton seemed quite common in those times to construct girls' cozzies. Lovely and light when dry,
and transparent when wet. Later that stretchy stuff came along and at last costumes started to be
made which retained some semblance of shape, albeit the cozzy's shape rather than that of the
swimmer. For most of my teen years however, I assumed that any material which wasn't black didn't
float, as you could not buy a costume in any other colour, unless you were a body-builder, in which
case they were gold lam?

The modern materials we have now changed all that. Now there are colours and styles for all. All
women that is. Not all men. Look in any catalogue and you will notice that there are no men over a
38" waist. Well there can't be, can there? Otherwise there would be costumes for them, and there
aren't. The downsizing of modern styles coincided with the upsizing of my body, and some while ago
I started having trouble finding swimming trunks which did not cut off the circulation in the
matrimonial department. The tiny, hip hugging slips which look OK on the top dogs of our sport
sadly make me look like Billy Bunter in a posing pouch. Utility outweighs vanity in my thinking,
and I refuse to retreat in to wearing the kind of baggy shorts which adorn the nether regions of so
many pool users now. Women had the good sense to stop trying to swim in divided skirts some hundred
years ago, but men seem to have re-discovered them in recent times. The voluminous folds of these
silly garments surround the wearer in the water like the trailing tentacles of a Portuguese Man-O-
War. Swimming in 'It-Ain't-Half-Hot-Mum' shorts is about as easy as getting a Committee meeting
over with quickly. Ten steps out of the pool or sea and you're back to the days of nappy rash.
What's more they trap air bubbles in their folds, making it look like you are suffering from
underwater wind even when you're innocent.

The latest craze for top competitors with more money than sense is the whole body suit. This makes
you look as if you have been caught trying on Grandad' s winter combinations. I gather they are so
far only used in high class competitions but, as badges of The Great, I predict that pester power
among the young will bring them down to club level galas soon. Imagine though, the ignominy of
loosing, having spent six months of Dad's beer money on one of these body-condoms! Anyway, if such
equipment gimmicks are allowed, why stop there? Why not allow fins and paddles? No doubt an
outboard motor strapped to the backside would make you go faster too. However, even if they do work
(which I doubt) I don't think whole body suits will actually re-introduce the Victorian madness of
swimming fully dressed, as they could only be of any use to swimmers who are good enough to not
really need them anyway.

Finally, a word on the proper care of swimming costumes. As any mother will know, the care of
girls' costumes is fundamentally different from boys'. Girls' costumes must be washed after every
outing, dried, scented, ironed if possible, aired and hung on a hanger among at least a dozen
other costumes. Boys trunks should be screwed up in to a tiny wet ball and hidden indefinitely
under a pair of muddy football boots in a bag, together with a towel which can be either similarly
treated, or more usually lost. The advantage of the boys' costume care programme is that it makes
the sports bag impossible to loose, as it is always instantly located by the pungent smell of
mildew it exudes.

However, I see more enlightened times ahead. As more people take continental holidays they will
discover, as I have, that on most French, Dutch, Danish and German beaches, once you get a couple
of hundred metres away from the end of the prom., most people swim in the most comfortable costumes
of all - their birthday suits. Once you have overcome the head rush of your first

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the same thing, and you have actually been expensively conned all your life. The truth is, you
don't actually need a costume to swim at all.

Thanks for the wonderfully written article!

Pat said:

You're kidding, right? Men's suits have always had a wide range of styles, materials, and lengths.
Women have only form-fitting nylon/lycra/polyester to chose from. When was the last time you saw a
woman's swimsuit made out of woven cloth?

Pat in TX

Have you never looked at SI's swimsuit issue? Or walked on the beaches of Southern California? Much
greater variety of styles and practicality. For the men, you have board shorts, and for the
swimmers, speedos. Triathletes

--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com

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You're kidding, right? Men's suits have always had a wide range of

styles,

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materials, and lengths. Women have only form-fitting

nylon/lycra/polyester

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to chose from. When was the last time you saw a woman's swimsuit made

out

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of woven cloth?

Pat in TX

Have you never looked at SI's swimsuit issue? Or walked on the beaches of Southern California?
Much greater variety of styles and practicality. For the men, you have board shorts, and for the
swimmers, speedos.

Triathletes

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--
Jason O'Rourke

Um, I was talking about "real life" not the SI "swimsuit" issue. Have you ever seen anybody actually
swim in those tiny scraps that cost hundreds of dollars? Yes, I have been to the beaches of Southern
California. I have even shopped for shorts and found much more than board shorts or speedos.

How about these: kastawayswimwear.comproduct.aspOpen ↗

or these? kastawayswimwear.comproduct.aspOpen ↗

or these? bestswimwear.comindex.htmlOpen ↗

or these? bestswimwear.comindex.htmlOpen ↗

It's REALLY not hard to find men's shorts that cover more than the Speedo competition suits. So, why
don't you look for some instead of just looking at the competition stuff? They're out there in
spades. So look!

Pat

G said:

m. w. smith said:

Quoted message said:

> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:06:45 GMT, G <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> What is it with TYR suits nowadays? Their men's suits are now cut so narrow at the front that
>> it's impossible to wear modestly. I'm
of the crotch. Who needs a closed scoop catching water?

Pull the drawstring tighter.

Actually I was referring to the sides(not the top) of the nether regions being exposed in the
newest TYR men's briefs.

But there isn't anything on your sides to be modest about. That's the side of the top of your leg.
What is your real problem? Tou're not telling us something. Not that there is any requirement that
you say anything, but TYR has always had smallish suits, and I don't see the difference between
wearing a TYR suit while swimming, which you are ok with, and wearing a TYR suit on the deck, which
you are not.

And why ask for advice? Just buy a pair of gym shorts and be done with it. Wear the TYR suit while
swimming, and when you get out of the water, slip on the shorts. This isn't rocket sceince, and
there are no moral issues involved, unless you are a Muslim woman, I suppose.

martin

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Pat said:

Um, I was talking about "real life" not the SI "swimsuit" issue. Have you ever seen anybody
actually swim in those tiny scraps that cost hundreds of dollars? Yes, I have been to the beaches
of Southern California. I have

That was the point - there are many swimsuits not meant for swimming.

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It's REALLY not hard to find men's shorts that cover more than the Speedo competition suits. So,
why don't you look for some instead of just looking at the competition stuff? They're out there in
spades. So look!

I'm not the one looking.

--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com

Here's my take on the suit issue. Although I am a nudist and really prefer to skinnydip there are
many times one must wear a suit.

Last year I faced the problem or replacing my 10(+) year old suit. First the liner wore out and
parts of my male anatomy were falling through (which was uncomfortable). I solved that problem by
wearing a jock. The the real problem was that I finally outgrew the suit. Middle age put some pounds
around my stomach despite not real increase in my weight.

I went to the store and could only find the 'board shorts" that went down to my knees. I finally
found some shorter boxer style swim trunks on the web (Undergear I believe). I also bought a speedo
that was on sale at a local sporting goods store. But after reading posts on the net and finding out
that women didn't like men in speedos (have heard this comment women myself when I tell them I have
taken up swimming for exercise-"You don't wear those speedos do you?) and finding out that these
days if you wear speedos for anything other than swim meets you are considered gay (when I was
younger in the 1970's many people wore such suits and in Europe there evidently there is not this
association). I have never worn them for swimming for these reasons.

But after swimming laps for up to an hour I find the bottom hem of the boxer swim trunks irritating
at they rub against my upper thighs. Speedos would be better for this reason. A problem for speeds
too for me would be that although I am quite modestly "endowed" I do find the slimming effect of the
speeds on the front panel uncomfortable (especailly since I am used to the freedom of nude
swimming).

I would be interested to hear others opinions on this issue.

Dave said:

But after reading posts on the net and finding out that women didn't like men in speedos (have
heard this comment women myself when I tell them I have taken up swimming for exercise-"You don't
wear those speedos do you?) and finding out that these days if you wear speedos for anything other
than swim meets you are considered gay (when I was younger in the 1970's many people wore such
suits and in Europe there evidently there is not this association). I have never worn them for
swimming for these reasons.

Where *are* you? If a woman doesn't like you in a Speedo, she won't like you without one either.

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But after swimming laps for up to an hour I find the bottom hem of the boxer swim trunks
irritating at they rub against my upper thighs. Speedos would be better for this reason. A problem
for speeds too for me would be that although I am quite modestly "endowed" I do find the slimming
effect of the speeds on the front panel uncomfortable (especailly since I am used to the freedom
of nude swimming).

I would be interested to hear others opinions on this issue.

Among swimmers, there is no issue. You are either a lunatic or a troll.

martin

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are going to be worn by men...not ladies! They used to be ok, but now are cut with such a severely
flat "V" in front that it's impossible to wear decently. I still have a TYR one that I got at a
sale ($10 for two I think) which is unwearable because of that. Ah well. luck for me it was a sale
item. Lucky for Arena and Speedo too!

I can't pass up really cheap suits. I'm not talking a reduction in cost from $28.00 to $24:00, but
huge cuts like reduced to $5 to $7 dollars. I can't resist. I've bought some that were much briefer
than the standard speedo. I think the skimpier suits don't always sell as well.

I had a Hind years ago that I got cheap and it seemed a bit smaller.

I've bought several of the one inch bikini cuts by some off brand company for $5.00 and last year I
bought a Speedo one inch side suit for $7. After you wear those smaller suits for a while you don't
really think about it that much. But I guess the Tyr has some kind of design issue or body
incompatibility issue and not really an overall size issue. Obviously if somethings showing, you
can't wear it; or if it doesn't lie flat and catches water that's an issue.