Swimming without goggles

Micheal Artindale said:

I have bad luck with goggles and diving.

Whenever I dive with goggles on, like, for instance, a start for a race, my
goggles either take in water, or end up around my neck, or both.

Clorinated water bugs my eyes, in fact, water bugs my eyes.

Any suggestions on how to get my eyes used to the water so that I dont need
goggles besides sticking my head in the water with no goggles and let my eye
burn?

Thanks,

Micheal

Perhaps a better pair of questions would be, "What is different about my
dive that causes these problems? What is different about my goggles?"
Video cameras above (and below if you can) water might come in useful to
help figure out if there's something about your technique that's causing
the trouble... If your goggles consistently fall off the same direction,
odds are there's an easy fix. If they tend to fly up and off, you could
be holding your head up while you enter the water. If they always turn
into a "breathing apparatus" then it might be that the head strap is too
loose, or your streamline isn't tight enough. A pair of properly
adjusted goggles with correct technique should never have the problems
you describe. Seek a coach who can help you with this. Of course,
(s)he may be like my old high school coach, who insisted that the only
race you need goggles for is one with front crawl 🙂

Micheal Artindale said:

I have bad luck with goggles and diving.

Whenever I dive with goggles on, like, for instance, a start for a race, my
goggles either take in water, or end up around my neck, or both.

Clorinated water bugs my eyes, in fact, water bugs my eyes.

Any suggestions on how to get my eyes used to the water so that I dont need
goggles besides sticking my head in the water with no goggles and let my eye
burn?

Thanks,
Micheal

In majority of swimmers we see in our clinics goggles coming off has
more to do with the head position in the dive, then the goggles
themselves, unless the goggles are exceptionally ill fitting. Usually,
the more of your face hitting still water (rather then following your
arms in) the more likely the goggles will come off.

Micheal Artindale said:

I have bad luck with goggles and diving.

Whenever I dive with goggles on, like, for instance, a start for a race, my
goggles either take in water, or end up around my neck, or both.

Clorinated water bugs my eyes, in fact, water bugs my eyes.

Any suggestions on how to get my eyes used to the water so that I dont need
goggles besides sticking my head in the water with no goggles and let my eye
burn?

You aren't entering pool races, are you?

Well, even if you are, in masters swimming you can start in the water.
If you are swimming a long race, start in the water. If you are
swimming a short race, don't wear the goggles.

Or, have a separate pair of goggles for races that has a tighter
strap. But even with a tighter strap, they will come off if your head
position is wrong, so you will have to learn how to do it right if you
want to start from the block with goggles on.

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I have bad luck with goggles and diving.

Whenever I dive with goggles on, like, for instance, a start for a race,

my

Quoted message said:

goggles either take in water, or end up around my neck, or both.

Clorinated water bugs my eyes, in fact, water bugs my eyes.

Any suggestions on how to get my eyes used to the water so that I dont

need

Quoted message said:

goggles besides sticking my head in the water with no goggles and let my

eye

Quoted message said:

burn?

Swimmers trained and competed for many years in chlorinated water before
modern swimming goggles were introduced to the sport. Anyone who swam
during those times will tell you that

a) you get used to it;
b) you can judge the wall accurately without goggles;
c) closing the eyes when you raise them above the water will reduce the
"burn".

But if you wish to wear goggles and dive, you must be sure that they fit
properly. Goggles that come off during a dive do not, by definition, fit.

You should become familiar with the methods of adjusting any goggles you
use, and if you cannot find a combination of goggle type, adjustment, and
diving techinque that allows you to dive without them coming off (and does
not require a dive technique that is unsuitable for the reason you are
diving), try another type of goggle.

Do not be misled by price, packaging, or the pronouncements of "experts".
There are people who will say that one type or another is "better" for one
purpose or another; they are wrong. Swedish goggles are not only suited for
competitive swimmers, for example; neither are silicone seals better than
foam seals, or no seals at all; nor are there advantages inherent to the
various strap configurations available.

It is completely individual - unless you have an identical twin; and it may
well be in those case that even though the physiognomy is extremely similar,
other factors can lead to a difference of suitable goggle type.

On 28 Sep,

jtaylor said:

Swimmers trained and competed for many years in chlorinated water before
modern swimming goggles were introduced to the sport. Anyone who swam
during those times will tell you that

a) you get used to it;
b) you can judge the wall accurately without goggles;
c) closing the eyes when you raise them above the water will reduce the
"burn".

you missed out:

d) you spend half the night soaking your eyes in the washbasin of clean
water to reduce the irritation.

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BD
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On 28 Sep,

jtaylor said:

Swimmers trained and competed for many years in chlorinated water before
modern swimming goggles were introduced to the sport. Anyone who swam
during those times will tell you that

a) you get used to it;
b) you can judge the wall accurately without goggles;
c) closing the eyes when you raise them above the water will reduce the
"burn".

you missed out:

d) you spend half the night soaking your eyes in the washbasin of clean
water to reduce the irritation.

--
BD
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jtaylor said:

"Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I have bad luck with goggles and diving.

Whenever I dive with goggles on, like, for instance, a start for a race,

my

Quoted message said:

goggles either take in water, or end up around my neck, or both.

Clorinated water bugs my eyes, in fact, water bugs my eyes.

Any suggestions on how to get my eyes used to the water so that I dont

need

Quoted message said:

goggles besides sticking my head in the water with no goggles and let my

eye

Quoted message said:

burn?

Swimmers trained and competed for many years in chlorinated water before
modern swimming goggles were introduced to the sport. Anyone who swam
during those times will tell you that

a) you get used to it;

I don't think you ever get used to it, if by "it" you mean the
irritation caused by the pool chemicals that builds up as you swim a
workout and then lingers for long hours after you get out of the pool. I
never got used to it, and I never knew anyone else who did either.

Quoted message said:

b) you can judge the wall accurately without goggles;
c) closing the eyes when you raise them above the water will reduce the
"burn".

But if you wish to wear goggles and dive, you must be sure that they fit
properly. Goggles that come off during a dive do not, by definition, fit.

I don't think that is correct either. I've always had goggles that fit
well, but they come off if I don't have the right head position when I
hit the water. And that was true of every brand I tried.

Quoted message said:

You should become familiar with the methods of adjusting any goggles you
use, and if you cannot find a combination of goggle type, adjustment, and
diving techinque that allows you to dive without them coming off (and does
not require a dive technique that is unsuitable for the reason you are
diving), try another type of goggle.

Do not be misled by price, packaging, or the pronouncements of "experts".
There are people who will say that one type or another is "better" for one
purpose or another; they are wrong. Swedish goggles are not only suited for
competitive swimmers, for example; neither are silicone seals better than
foam seals, or no seals at all; nor are there advantages inherent to the
various strap configurations available.

It is completely individual - unless you have an identical twin; and it may
well be in those case that even though the physiognomy is extremely similar,
other factors can lead to a difference of suitable goggle type.

In article <[email hidden]!nnrp1.uunet.ca>,

jtaylor said:

"Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I have bad luck with goggles and diving.

Whenever I dive with goggles on, like, for instance, a start for a race,

my

Quoted message said:

goggles either take in water, or end up around my neck, or both.

Clorinated water bugs my eyes, in fact, water bugs my eyes.

Any suggestions on how to get my eyes used to the water so that I dont

need

Quoted message said:

goggles besides sticking my head in the water with no goggles and let my

eye

Quoted message said:

burn?

Swimmers trained and competed for many years in chlorinated water before
modern swimming goggles were introduced to the sport. Anyone who swam
during those times will tell you that

a) you get used to it;

I don't think you ever get used to it, if by "it" you mean the
irritation caused by the pool chemicals that builds up as you swim a
workout and then lingers for long hours after you get out of the pool. I
never got used to it, and I never knew anyone else who did either.

Quoted message said:

b) you can judge the wall accurately without goggles;
c) closing the eyes when you raise them above the water will reduce the
"burn".

But if you wish to wear goggles and dive, you must be sure that they fit
properly. Goggles that come off during a dive do not, by definition, fit.

I don't think that is correct either. I've always had goggles that fit
well, but they come off if I don't have the right head position when I
hit the water. And that was true of every brand I tried.

Quoted message said:

You should become familiar with the methods of adjusting any goggles you
use, and if you cannot find a combination of goggle type, adjustment, and
diving techinque that allows you to dive without them coming off (and does
not require a dive technique that is unsuitable for the reason you are
diving), try another type of goggle.

Do not be misled by price, packaging, or the pronouncements of "experts".
There are people who will say that one type or another is "better" for one
purpose or another; they are wrong. Swedish goggles are not only suited for
competitive swimmers, for example; neither are silicone seals better than
foam seals, or no seals at all; nor are there advantages inherent to the
various strap configurations available.

It is completely individual - unless you have an identical twin; and it may
well be in those case that even though the physiognomy is extremely similar,
other factors can lead to a difference of suitable goggle type.

"Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Swimmers trained and competed for many years in chlorinated water before
modern swimming goggles were introduced to the sport. Anyone who swam
during those times will tell you that

a) you get used to it;

I don't think you ever get used to it, if by "it" you mean the
irritation caused by the pool chemicals that builds up as you swim a
workout and then lingers for long hours after you get out of the pool. I
never got used to it, and I never knew anyone else who did either.

Our pool had staff who would put the weekend's load of chlorine in on friday
night.

We had a three hour session saturday morning. The coach was CPO in the
navy.

There were some hard men in the old days.

"Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Swimmers trained and competed for many years in chlorinated water before
modern swimming goggles were introduced to the sport. Anyone who swam
during those times will tell you that

a) you get used to it;

I don't think you ever get used to it, if by "it" you mean the
irritation caused by the pool chemicals that builds up as you swim a
workout and then lingers for long hours after you get out of the pool. I
never got used to it, and I never knew anyone else who did either.

Our pool had staff who would put the weekend's load of chlorine in on friday
night.

We had a three hour session saturday morning. The coach was CPO in the
navy.

There were some hard men in the old days.

In article <[email hidden]!nnrp1.uunet.ca>,

jtaylor said:

"Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Swimmers trained and competed for many years in chlorinated water before
modern swimming goggles were introduced to the sport. Anyone who swam
during those times will tell you that

a) you get used to it;

I don't think you ever get used to it, if by "it" you mean the
irritation caused by the pool chemicals that builds up as you swim a
workout and then lingers for long hours after you get out of the pool. I
never got used to it, and I never knew anyone else who did either.

Our pool had staff who would put the weekend's load of chlorine in on friday
night.

We had a three hour session saturday morning. The coach was CPO in the
navy.

There were some hard men in the old days.

How well I know. The halo effect and the itching last until Monday.

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"jtaylor" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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a) you get used to it;

But, you're really glad when practice is over.

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b) you can judge the wall accurately without goggles;
c) closing the eyes when you raise them above the water will reduce the
"burn".

Closing your eyes underwater helps, too, but can be risky.

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d) you spend half the night soaking your eyes in the washbasin of clean
water to reduce the irritation.

Our guys would irrigate their eyes in the cold water cooler.

Man o' Tea said:

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"jtaylor" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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a) you get used to it;

But, you're really glad when practice is over.

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b) you can judge the wall accurately without goggles;
c) closing the eyes when you raise them above the water will reduce the
"burn".

Closing your eyes underwater helps, too, but can be risky.

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d) you spend half the night soaking your eyes in the washbasin of clean
water to reduce the irritation.

Our guys would irrigate their eyes in the cold water cooler.

We just went around with red eyes after our 4.5 hour practices, six days
per week, and that was AAU swimming.
Madelaine

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Micheal Artindale said:

I have bad luck with goggles and diving.

Whenever I dive with goggles on, like, for instance, a start for a race,

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

goggles either take in water, or end up around my neck, or both.

Clorinated water bugs my eyes, in fact, water bugs my eyes.

Any suggestions on how to get my eyes used to the water so that I dont

need

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

goggles besides sticking my head in the water with no goggles and let my

eye

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

burn?

Thanks,

Micheal

Perhaps a better pair of questions would be, "What is different about my
dive that causes these problems?

I do not know.

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What is different about my goggles?"

All goggles I have ever used does this to me.

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Video cameras above (and below if you can) water might come in useful to
help figure out if there's something about your technique that's causing
the trouble... .

No access to that sort of equipment

Quoted message said:

If your goggles consistently fall off the same direction,
odds are there's an easy fix. If they tend to fly up and off, you could
be holding your head up while you enter the water. If they always turn
into a "breathing apparatus" then it might be that the head strap is too
loose, or your streamline isn't tight enough.

For some reason, its not constant. i get both.

Quoted message said:

A pair of properly
adjusted goggles with correct technique should never have the problems
you describe. Seek a coach who can help you with this. Of course,
(s)he may be like my old high school coach, who insisted that the only
race you need goggles for is one with front crawl 🙂

I will... thanks, I will concentrate on my position, and see what happens.

Micheal

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Micheal Artindale said:

I have bad luck with goggles and diving.

Whenever I dive with goggles on, like, for instance, a start for a race,

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

goggles either take in water, or end up around my neck, or both.

Clorinated water bugs my eyes, in fact, water bugs my eyes.

Any suggestions on how to get my eyes used to the water so that I dont

need

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

goggles besides sticking my head in the water with no goggles and let my

eye

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

burn?

You aren't entering pool races, are you?

Not yet

Quoted message said:

Well, even if you are, in masters swimming you can start in the water.
If you are swimming a long race, start in the water. If you are
swimming a short race, don't wear the goggles.

If I do not wear goggles, I cant see, and my eyes burn

Quoted message said:

Or, have a separate pair of goggles for races that has a tighter
strap. But even with a tighter strap, they will come off if your head
position is wrong, so you will have to learn how to do it right if you
want to start from the block with goggles on.

Will work on head possition.

Thanks,

Micheal

Micheal Artindale said:

"Martin Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Micheal Artindale said:

I have bad luck with goggles and diving.

Whenever I dive with goggles on, like, for instance, a start for a race,

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

goggles either take in water, or end up around my neck, or both.

Clorinated water bugs my eyes, in fact, water bugs my eyes.

Any suggestions on how to get my eyes used to the water so that I dont

need

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

goggles besides sticking my head in the water with no goggles and let my

eye

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

burn?

You aren't entering pool races, are you?

Not yet

Quoted message said:

Well, even if you are, in masters swimming you can start in the water.
If you are swimming a long race, start in the water. If you are
swimming a short race, don't wear the goggles.

If I do not wear goggles, I cant see, and my eyes burn

As others have pointed out, you can see. You only have to see the
black line on the bottom and the black cross on the end. You would
have to be nearly blind to miss those. With a little practice you can
hit your turns perfectly. Remember that everyone used to race without
goggles.

Your eyes don't burn until after the race.

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Or, have a separate pair of goggles for races that has a tighter
strap. But even with a tighter strap, they will come off if your head
position is wrong, so you will have to learn how to do it right if you
want to start from the block with goggles on.

Will work on head possition.

Thanks,

Micheal

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As others have pointed out, you can see. You only have to see the
black line on the bottom and the black cross on the end. You would
have to be nearly blind to miss those. With a little practice you can
hit your turns perfectly. Remember that everyone used to race without
goggles.

Your eyes don't burn until after the race.

Actually, the minute I open my eyes underwater they burn.

I cannot make anything out.... the black line I cannot tell the difference
from the resat of the pool.

I may be odd, but this is how I am.

I will work on head position.

Micheal

Micheal Artindale said:

Martin said:

As others have pointed out, you can see. You only have to see the
black line on the bottom and the black cross on the end. You would
have to be nearly blind to miss those. With a little practice you can
hit your turns perfectly. Remember that everyone used to race without
goggles.

Your eyes don't burn until after the race.

Actually, the minute I open my eyes underwater they burn.

I cannot make anything out.... the black line I cannot tell the difference
from the resat of the pool.

I may be odd, but this is how I am.

I think you should take up a more benign sport, like curling maybe.
Between the burning eyes, the black line blindness, the chafing caps,
the cold water shakes, the anxiety of choosing the right suit, and the
humiliation of snickering youth when you get it wrong, I don't see how
you get any enjoyment out of swimming at all.

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I will work on head position.

That's the spirit.

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Micheal Artindale said:

Martin said:

As others have pointed out, you can see. You only have to see the
black line on the bottom and the black cross on the end. You would
have to be nearly blind to miss those. With a little practice you can
hit your turns perfectly. Remember that everyone used to race without
goggles.

Your eyes don't burn until after the race.

Actually, the minute I open my eyes underwater they burn.

I cannot make anything out.... the black line I cannot tell the

difference

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from the resat of the pool.

I may be odd, but this is how I am.

I think you should take up a more benign sport, like curling maybe.

I dont understand curling.....

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Between the burning eyes, the black line blindness, the chafing caps,
the cold water shakes, the anxiety of choosing the right suit, and the
humiliation of snickering youth when you get it wrong, I don't see how
you get any enjoyment out of swimming at all.

You are not me.You are taking things that I post here as life altering
things. They are just thoughts.

Yes, without goggles, my eyes burn, so I want to make sure that I can
minimize it. I have swam a race with goggles at my neck. My eys were so sor
for a couple of days after it... thank goodness it was the weekend.

Chafing cap? no... I believe that was about wearing 2 caps. It was just too
tight.

Choosing the right suit? I pick the size, and a neutral colour and a simple
design.

And kids snickering... If I am there, and they show up... I do not worry
about it. If I am going there with them, I dont wear the same things.

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I will work on head position.

That's the spirit.

What? Take others advice if it makes sence? I only ignore advice if it makes
no sence to me.

Micheal