SUV question

Mark Jones said:

The great thing is that I can buy what I want and these eco fanatics can't do anything about it.

Nobody can stop you, true. But people can certainly laugh at you! ;-)

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Frank Krygowski [email hidden]

Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:33:34 -0600, <[email hidden]>, "Zippy the Pinhead"

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Krygowski in his all-knowing wisdom did a quick AutoByTel lookup and pointed out to me that there's
some kind of a sushi-wagon that has 0.375" more headroom than my Explorer supposedly does. I've
tried on all the cars I could think of, and what the Nips give you in headroom they take away in a
place to put your knees. It ain't healthy to drive a couple hundred miles with your legs in the
same position. It'll give you blood clots and make your eyes all squinty and slanchy.

You bigotted piece of racist [censored]. Go suck your beloved exhaust pipe.

SCUM
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zk

Mark Jones said:

"Frank Krygowski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Then there are those of us who wonder - why on earth would someone spend thousands of dollars to
watch a big TV? What a weird way to waste time!

Because I enjoy watching movies on a 65 inch HDTV. Much better than going to a theatre.

I prefer real life.

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Frank Krygowski [email hidden]

Stephen Harding said:

Frank Krygowski said:

I think you're relying on myth to make your case.

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I've driven as much as sixty miles or more on rough gravel tracks while towing large trailers.
For one emergency, I drove a freeway in blizzard while the highway patrol was literally closing
the entrances as I passed, because the snow plows could not keep up.

My goodness, even snow plows can't keep up with your little economy car!

Talk about the stuff of myths!

They couldn't keep up with the snowfall and near whiteout. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

The details are more interesting. I was escorting home a friend with a new kidney. He'd left his
antirejection medicine at home, so we had a pretty stiff deadline. It was an exciting ride.

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Frank Krygowski [email hidden]

Mark Jones said:

"Frank Krygowski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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For the driving a typical American does (as opposed to fantasizes about) an SUV is no more
necessary than an Abrams tank.

Says you. People can get a general purpose vehicle and not have to concern themselves with
deciding which vehicle to use for a particular trip.

Your answer makes no sense to me. I've never needed to make weighty decisions about vehicles for
extreme conditions. I've always gone wherever I wanted to go using whatever small passenger vehicle
I was driving at the time.

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Frank Krygowski [email hidden]

"Frank Krygowski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Mark Jones said:

The great thing is that I can buy what I want and these eco fanatics can't do anything about it.

Nobody can stop you, true. But people can certainly laugh at you! ;-)

I don't laugh at you. I pity you.

Frank Krygowski said:

Stephen Harding said:

Talk about the stuff of myths!

They couldn't keep up with the snowfall and near whiteout. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

I clearly remember Palm Sunday 1971, riding shotgun in my priest's Bundespost Yellow 1968 VW bug
with two other passengers and the priest at the wheel, and a Giagantic snowplow following us down
the Autobahn from Munich to Berchtesgarden through a good 8 to 12 inches of Alpine Schnee...

I also remember piloting my old Fiero between Chitown and Motown one lake-effect++ snowy Christmas
eve, a trip that took 9 and a half hours, passing innumerable jeeps and other assorted Giant four
wheel monsters which were firmly planted in the ditch.

.max

"Frank Krygowski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I prefer real life.

I prefer my life over your bitter attempt to control others.

"Bluto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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That truckette of yours is the same as the tool belt worn by David, the "construction worker" from
the Village People. All about butch dress-up and nothing about necessity.

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Chalo Colina "mucho, mucho, macho macho man"

Does anyone else see a correlation here? How many of you knew the name of ANY member of the
"Village People"?

Obviously this Chalo Colina character is gay. And mucho, mucho, macho macho gay as well.

Dave

"Zippy the Pinhead" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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And thank you for shopping at our Aurora K-Mart!

Aurora Colorado? Well, there's your problem! Have you thought about moving to a place a little less
liberal in their thinking? Come on down to Texas where you can drive your Explorer with impunity. Of
course, it's a little small for our tastes. Come to think of it, maybe you should upgrade to an
Excursion before you make the move.

One thing though, please leave your foul mouth in Colorado. It won't be welcome down here.

-Buck

In article <[email hidden]>,

Frank Krygowski said:

Mark Jones said:

"Frank Krygowski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Then there are those of us who wonder - why on earth would someone spend thousands of dollars
to watch a big TV? What a weird way to waste time!

Because I enjoy watching movies on a 65 inch HDTV. Much better than going to a theatre.

I prefer real life.

--
Frank Krygowski [email hidden]

What?

There's real life in Youngstown???

In the winter???...🙂

Ride Safe

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"Freedom Is a Light for Which Many Have Died in Darkness"

- Tomb of the unknown - American Revolution

Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:20:44 -0800, <[email hidden]>, "Raoul Duke"

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"Bluto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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That truckette of yours is the same as the tool belt worn by David, the "construction worker"
from the Village People. All about butch dress-up and nothing about necessity.

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Chalo Colina "mucho, mucho, macho macho man"

Does anyone else see a correlation here? How many of you knew the name of ANY member of the
"Village People"?

Obviously this Chalo Colina character is gay. And mucho, mucho, macho macho gay as well.

Dave

First hit on Google turned up: Felipe (Indian), Glenn (Leatherman), Ray (Cop), Randy (Cowboy), David
(Construction Guy), Alex (G.I.).

Now you know them all so that makes you queer, right?
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zk

Timothy J. Lee said:

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They are popular for a number of reasons, but one being that they are genuinely quite capable
vehicles. They can carry quite a bit AND get through snow or back country AND ride smooth and
quiet AND be fun to drive.

Not so sure about the last two characteristics, at least with respect to the "real" SUVs with good
off-road and towing capability. Those that I have ridden in were not very smooth riding, even
compared to economy or sporty cars, and I doubt that they would be fun to drive with respect to
their handling capabilities.

I find my pickup truck to be among the most comfortable vehicles I've ever owned or driven. Not so
quiet as a road sedan, with a ride that is smoothed somewhat from all the stuff I regularly carry in
it, including about 250 pounds of tube sand in the winter.

I have driven that thing continuously from MA to IA a couple round trips and no back or leg problems
whatsoever (I'm 6' 1" ~185 lbs).

It's 4WD so offroad, suspension is a bit soft. On road, with the current snow tires, its loud from
tire whine.

A vehicle designed to do a lot (load/tow, road surfaces, 2WD/4WD) must make a lot of choices or
compromises. Sometimes that means it does nothing really well (as the claimed deficiencies of hybrid
bikes), and sometimes just passably well. Some brands do better than others.

In my experience, just the ground clearance issue between SUV and road car (whether small or large)
is a separating factor in off road capability.

It is my guess that some some people who claim their little Honda does as well off road as an
SUV are really only talking a smooth dirt road, perhaps as solid as pavement, or snow a couple
inches deep.

I have no problems driving my mother's Buick Le Sabre on some dirt roads, while if I did it on
others, there would be nothing attached to the underside of the vehicle once I returned!

SMH

Zippy the Pinhead said:

"Stephen Harding" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Zippy the Pinhead said:

Until and unless the dipshits who design cars come to the awful realization that we can't all
be built like Tom Daschle, I'll continue to drive my SUV, and all of you automotive fascists
can go [censored] up a rope, [censored] you very much.

Uh oh! Where's Godwin?

He's riding shotgun, Stephen.

Get in, sit down, strap in and shut up. We're goin' four-wheelin'. Yee-hahhhh.

Ya got shoulder belts or just three point belts? I may not want to go if I can't really
securely strap in.

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BTW -- thanks for the real definition of "Jihad".

Do you ".edu" guys ever do anything besides pontificate on UseNet?

.edu addresses will lapse unless you submit the minimum number of pontifications per year.

It's one of those old usenet rules, that not many know of these days.

SMH

Zippy the Pinhead said:

I hope my Explorer lasts me awhile. Nothing I've tried on lately fits me like that vehicle. Not
since the early 70s when I took the driver's seat out of my '66 Beetle and drove from the back
seat have I had so much legroom.

I have a friend who is 6'6" (I think), wears a size 15 shoe and probably weighs in at
350-ish pounds.

He is very pleased with his Chrysler Town and Country minivan. Ample headroom and leg room (with
seat all the way back.

Certainly you'll be more "Green" as far as the locals (r.b.m) are concerned with such a vehicle,
although perhaps a Mini-Cooper, or if you can import one, a Smart from Europe, with a sun/moon roof
to stick your head out while you drive would be even better.

SMH

"Stephen Harding" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Do you ".edu" guys ever do anything besides pontificate on UseNet?

.edu addresses will lapse unless you submit the minimum number of pontifications per year.

It's one of those old usenet rules, that not many know of these days.

It's also considered a peer-reviewed forum. Enough posts and you are guaranteed tenure for your
prolific writings.

-Buck

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.edu addresses will lapse unless you submit the minimum

number of

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pontifications per year.

It's one of those old usenet rules, that not many know of

these days.

Well, it's the general rule in academia -- why should Usenet be any different?

Matt O.

Buck said:

"Stephen Harding" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Do you ".edu" guys ever do anything besides pontificate on UseNet?

.edu addresses will lapse unless you submit the minimum number of pontifications per year.

It's one of those old usenet rules, that not many know of these days.

It's also considered a peer-reviewed forum. Enough posts and you are guaranteed tenure for your
prolific writings.

Excellent point!

SMH

Raoul Duke said:

Bluto said:

That truckette of yours is the same as the tool belt worn by David, the "construction worker"
from the Village People. All about butch dress-up and nothing about necessity.

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Chalo Colina "mucho, mucho, macho macho man"

Does anyone else see a correlation here? How many of you knew the name of ANY member of the
"Village People"?

Obviously this Chalo Colina character is gay. And mucho, mucho, macho macho gay as well.

Dave

I don't remember sayin' whether I was or wasn't this or that. 'Cept for big, and mucho macho. That
latter part was a jest, anyway.

But I am in fact a big guy. And it's true I like the Village People, though that's not something of
which I'm quick to boast.

More to the point, though-- What would the Village People drive today? I suggest that except for
Glenn "leather guy" on his inevitable Harley, any or all of them would cruise around in SUVs, in the
same spirit of sybaritic costumery that they exhibited in their heyday.

Arrogant jackass pro athletes drive SUVs, almost exclusively. Noxious rap musicians too. The SUV and
its cousin, the cargo-free 4x4 truck, are the overwhelming choice of every poseur for whom "macho"
is the theme. I don't respect it, but I understand it.

I don't understand what motivates pampered-looking suburban women to pilot behemoths, though. They
seem to outnumber the men, especially for the 7000 lb. class of vehicle. I assume it's a combination
of cowardice, paranoia, ignorance of the risks, sublimated aggression, and callous indifference to
others that motivates their antisocial choice of vehicles.

Chalo Colina

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"Bluto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Chalo Colina "mucho, mucho, macho macho man"

Does anyone else see a correlation here? How many of you knew the name of ANY member of the
"Village People"?

Obviously this Chalo Colina character is gay. And mucho, mucho, macho

macho

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gay as well.

.... and we hasten to add the usual Usenet disclaimer:

"Not that there's anything WRONG with that...."

Lest we be called scum and bigoted pieces of [censored] by people who are tolerant only of points of view
that are consonant with their own.