sushi/sashimi risks/symptoms

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what are the possible risks of eating raw fish, and in particular raw

tuna?

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how likely are these problems? what are symptoms? Thanks in advance!

There are some bacterial pathogens you could encounter - Vibrio (parahaemolyticus I think) and I
believe there's a type of botulism (type E?) associated with fish - although you're more likely to
envcounter that with improperly treated canned fish. Filter feeding shellfish may have interesting
viruses that do them no harm but make your life uncomfortable for a while. Just don't eat anything
that's downstream of a sewage outlet...

GS

If the fish is fresh then go for it. Fish should not smell "fishy" when it is fresh. Good
sushi/sashimi bars will have their fish delivered a number of times a day in chill packs and it will
be very fresh. If there is not a noticeable number of Japanese customers frequenting the place then
most likely it ain't serving good fresh fish. If preparing raw fish at home then buy WHOLE fish
(where practical - a whole tuna might be a bit much !!) and make sure the eyes are bulbous and not
sunken in. Sunken eyes = unfresh. Gut and fillet the fish yourself and voila... you have real fresh
fish. Get some info on preparing sushi so that you can learn how to cut the fish in the correct
direction (across the grain) so that the fish "melts in your mouth" when you eat it. Cut the wrong
way and it will seem tougher and more chewy.

Raw fish is great. It's the only way I will eat fish generally. Be mindful that farmed salmon is not
particularly good for you (loads of antibiotics and other toxic [censored] in it)... best to buy certified
organic salmon or WILD salmon.

Regards,

Jonathan

www.inspirednutritionals.com www.thyroidhealthsolutions.com

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what are the possible risks of eating raw fish, and in particular raw

tuna?

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how likely are these problems? what are symptoms? Thanks in advance!

Graham Shepherd said:

There are some bacterial pathogens you could encounter - Vibrio (parahaemolyticus I think) and I
believe there's a type of botulism (type E?) associated with fish - although you're more likely to
envcounter that with improperly treated canned fish. Filter feeding shellfish may have interesting
viruses that do them no harm but make your life uncomfortable for a while. Just don't eat anything
that's downstream of a sewage outlet...

Mackerel often contain parasites that invade your muscles and give you a longlasting pain. But they
are killed by freezing the fish for at least one day, so if you prepare a raw dish of mackerel,
always store it in the freezer for at least one day before preparing like cured mackerel.

Mussels may filter some kind of algae that may produce toxins. One of them are quite lethal. So
almost whole year, mussel picking is banned here in Norway :-( (When I was a child 45 years ago
people never heard about such problems, but now Kattegat/Skagerak is filled up with sewage and toxic
waste products from German industry, and also from other countries (our nearest poison-spewing fiord
is the Frier Fjord outside Porsgrunn/Skien where Norsk Hydro has had many industrial plants spewing
out mercury, PCB's and many other waiste products, poisoning fish, at least in the Frier fjord, but
also giving toxic problems along the Sørlandet coast :-( And lot of phosphor in water and other
organical nutrients gives blowups of algaes, some of them lethal to fish, and if mussels eat these
algaes, they become deadly toxic to us. Fortunately, the whole coast is monitored on a daily basis,
and all fiords has their own report perhaps weekly in local newspapers stating whether it is safe or
unsafe to eat freeliving mussels. Industrial production happen in basins where algae is filtered
away and all batches are monitored and toxic batches are all thrown, so conserved mussels should be
safe to eat. I have experienced one poisoning episode being not lethal, but gave the worst aching
intestines pain I ever have experienced, far worse than appendicites :-( After 5 or 6 enemas the
pain started to decline :-)

You have to be a complete idiot to eat raw fish. You could
screw up your body for life with worms and parasites.

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how likely are these problems? what are symptoms? Thanks
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You have to be a complete idiot to eat raw fish. You could
screw up your body for life with worms and parasites.

110 million Japanese would be interested to hear more about
this, I'm sure.

I think the acid levels in my stomache doesn't allow too
many micro organisms to live too long.

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Rodney Kelp said:

You have to be a complete idiot to eat raw fish. You
could screw up your body for life with worms and
parasites.

110 million Japanese would be interested to hear more
about this, I'm

sure.

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I think the acid levels in my stomache doesn't allow too
many micro organisms to live too long.

A lot of parasites are transmitted via the oral route. The
Giant fish tapeworm is a good example and is known as the
largest of the tape worms. People with altered immune status
such as those with liver disease etc should not eat raw
shellfish as the bacteria can be deadly. Stomach acid has
got zero to do with it.

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Rodney Kelp said:

You have to be a complete idiot to eat raw fish. You
could screw up

your

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body for life with worms and parasites.

110 million Japanese would be interested to hear more
about this, I'm

sure.

It's mainly the Japs that get the stomach worms and other
intestine eating parasites.

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You have to be a complete idiot to eat raw fish. You
could screw up your body for life with worms and
parasites.

110 million Japanese would be interested to hear more
about this, I'm

sure.

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It's not the microorganisms, it's the little animals.

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Rodney Kelp said:

You have to be a complete idiot to eat raw fish. You
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your

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body for life with worms and parasites.

110 million Japanese would be interested to hear more
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sure.

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Is that why their hair never greys?

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It's mainly the Japs that get the stomach worms and other
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Rodney Kelp said:

You have to be a complete idiot to eat raw fish. You
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your

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body for life with worms and parasites.

110 million Japanese would be interested to hear more
about this, I'm

sure.

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what are the possible risks of eating raw fish, and in
particular raw tuna? how likely are these problems? what
are symptoms? Thanks in advance!

E.g. Anisakis anaphylaxis:

``Fewer than 10 cases are diagnosed in the U.S. annually.
However, it is suspected that many other cases go
undetected. The disease is transmitted by raw, undercooked
or insufficiently frozen fish and shellfish, and its
incidence is expected to increase with the increasing
popularity of sushi and sashimi bars.''

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