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What are some good energy supplements, and why?

A well balanced diet should do it. Why? It is safe and effective.

Anything with a high content of sugars or fats.
Anth

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What are some good energy supplements, and why?

Sadly you can not get all your nutrition from your daily diet! In June 2002
the Journal of American Medical Association stated " We recomend every adult
take a multi-vitamin daily, as you can no longer get adequate nutrition from
your diet" ..... You can get "Enough to prevent Deficiency, but not enough
to prevent Disease"

Isn't that what we all want - to Prevent Disease.

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What are some good energy supplements, and why?

A product called CordyMax, clinically proven in research studies to boost
stamina and increase your VO2 max (oxygen usage) is a good product. Another
is Cortitrol, a product that helps reduce the amount of the hormone Cortisol
that is released in your body, this hormone is a key factor in making you
tired, fat and many other health related problems.

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Sadly you can not get all your nutrition from your daily diet! In June

2002

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the Journal of American Medical Association stated " We recomend every

adult

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take a multi-vitamin daily, as you can no longer get adequate nutrition

from

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your diet" ..... You can get "Enough to prevent Deficiency, but not enough
to prevent Disease"

Can you be more specific? Can you reference the opriginal article with a
URL.

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Isn't that what we all want - to Prevent Disease.

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What are some good energy supplements, and why?

A product called CordyMax, clinically proven in research studies to boost
stamina and increase your VO2 max (oxygen usage) is a good product.

Strangely, Medline does not have a reference for those studies in humans.
Can you post a citation wherein they are published in a peer reviewed
journal.

However, one of the aniumal studies says:

CONCLUSION: We conclude that CordyMax Cs-4 may have potential beneficial
effects by maintaining whole-body glucose disposal with a less pronounced
increase in insulin secretion after a carbohydrate challenge, however,
***its effects on endurance performance remain questionable.****

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she can get her cue.]

Another

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is Cortitrol,

Again, strangely, there are no stucies that even mention this chemical.

a product that helps reduce the amount of the hormone Cortisol

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that is released in your body, this hormone is a key factor in making you
tired, fat and many other health related problems.

You forgot the word from your sponsor.

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gh said:

Sadly you can not get all your nutrition from your daily diet! In June 2002
the Journal of American Medical Association stated " We recomend every adult
take a multi-vitamin daily, as you can no longer get adequate nutrition from
your diet" ..... You can get "Enough to prevent Deficiency, but not enough
to prevent Disease"

Isn't that what we all want - to Prevent Disease.

Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the
likes of you.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

"Mark ProbertFebruary 3, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Can you be more specific? Can you reference the opriginal article with a
URL.

JAMA, June 19, 2002, Vol 287, No. 23 ; article 1 page 3116 , article 2 page
3127

www.jama.com

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Strangely, Medline does not have a reference for those studies in humans.
Can you post a citation wherein they are published in a peer reviewed
journal.

Medline is not always accurate and up to date.

Presented at the 46th annual meeting of The American College of Sports
Medicine ..CordyMax Cs-4 .. increase aerobic capacity in healthy elderly
humans.... Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise 1999 (supp);31(5);S174.

Another study done showing improved performance in endurance-conditioned
athletes ( Navy Seals) in Encinitas, California, .....Medicine & Science in
Sports and Exercise 2001;33:S164.

The Healthcare Professional Product Guide I read lists 31 peer reviewed
articles if you are interested

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{Cue Jan to say that this is from evil organized medicine. Please repost

so

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she can get her cue.]

Don't know what you intended by that statement? Please clarify so I can
address it.

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is Cortitrol, > Again, strangely, there are no stucies that even

mention this chemical.

You may only know it as Cortisone and Hydrocortisone, but in the medical
community Cortisol is a Steriod Hormone produced in the adrenal gland in
response to stress.

"the Adrenal Hormone "Cortisol" and stress have been studied for over fifty
years"..this is a paraphrase of the Forward in the book ..The Cortisol
Connection, Why stress makes you fat and ruins your health, By Shawn
Talbott, PhD. This book was written for the lay person to be able to
understand.

I can list 100's of studies; Nutrition. 1997 sep;(9);795-803, Journal
Endocrinol Invest. 1999 Jun;22(6);465-71,Int Journal Sports Med. 1999
May;20(4):258-62, Journal Behavioral Med. 1994 Dec;17(6):605-16. and many
many more ....or you can go to www.cortisolconnection.com and ask specific
questions.

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You forgot the word from your sponsor.

I again don't know what you "intended" to infer by this statement, but if
you would like to clarify your intent I would be happy to address it.

As you can see this information is all based on scientific research.

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Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the
likes of you.

I'm sorry to have offended you David, I thought this was a sincere question
asking for fact based information. Please advise as to how this in any way
could be construed as spam.

And as far as "the likes of me", would LOVE to know what that is supposed
to mean!

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-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

If you mean that in your Opinion, this was spam, than your opinions are not
correct.

" Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves for they shall never cease
to be amused." , "Show me a completely satisfied man, and I'll show you a
failure." - Thomas Edison

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"Mark ProbertFebruary 3, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote

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message news:[email hidden]...

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Can you be more specific? Can you reference the opriginal article with a
URL.

JAMA, June 19, 2002, Vol 287, No. 23 ; article 1 page 3116 , article 2

page

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3127

www.jama.com

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Strangely, Medline does not have a reference for those studies in

humans.

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Can you post a citation wherein they are published in a peer reviewed
journal.

Medline is not always accurate and up to date.

And you post a citation from 1999....and 2001....

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Presented at the 46th annual meeting of The American College of Sports
Medicine ..CordyMax Cs-4 .. increase aerobic capacity in healthy elderly
humans.... Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise 1999

(supp);31(5);S174.

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Another study done showing improved performance in endurance-conditioned
athletes ( Navy Seals) in Encinitas, California, .....Medicine & Science

in

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Sports and Exercise 2001;33:S164.

The Healthcare Professional Product Guide I read lists 31 peer reviewed
articles if you are interested

31 peer reviewed articles that do not appear on PublicMed from NIH?
Strange.....

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{Cue Jan to say that this is from evil organized medicine. Please repost

so

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she can get her cue.]

Don't know what you intended by that statement? Please clarify so I can
address it.

It was not addressed to you.

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is Cortitrol, > Again, strangely, there are no stucies that even

mention this chemical.

You may only know it as Cortisone and Hydrocortisone, but in the medical
community Cortisol is a Steriod Hormone produced in the adrenal gland in
response to stress.

"the Adrenal Hormone "Cortisol" and stress have been studied for over

fifty

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years"..this is a paraphrase of the Forward in the book ..The Cortisol
Connection, Why stress makes you fat and ruins your health, By Shawn
Talbott, PhD. This book was written for the lay person to be able to
understand.

I can list 100's of studies; Nutrition. 1997 sep;(9);795-803, Journal
Endocrinol Invest. 1999 Jun;22(6);465-71,Int Journal Sports Med. 1999
May;20(4):258-62, Journal Behavioral Med. 1994 Dec;17(6):605-16. and many
many more ....or you can go to www.cortisolconnection.com and ask

specific

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questions.

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You forgot the word from your sponsor.

I again don't know what you "intended" to infer by this statement, but if
you would like to clarify your intent I would be happy to address it.

As you can see this information is all based on scientific research.

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gh said:

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Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the
likes of you.

I'm sorry to have offended you David, I thought this was a sincere question
asking for fact based information. Please advise as to how this in any way
could be construed as spam.

It could sure be construed that way if you sell the stuff, and you've
been very coy about not discussing the matter.

So let's drag it out into the middle of the room. Do you sell those
products you were mentioning? Yes or no.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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I'm sorry to have offended you David, I thought this was a sincere

question

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asking for fact based information. Please advise as to how this in any

way

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could be construed as spam.

It could sure be construed that way if you sell the stuff, and you've
been very coy about not discussing the matter.

So let's drag it out into the middle of the room. Do you sell those
products you were mentioning? Yes or no.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.

You are so full of yourself! I know a tri-athlete who uses the stuff
religiously, throughly believes in the benefits he has experienced and has
reviewed the research (he is also a medical doctor)

If I did sell it, I certainly would not to you. You are a judgemental
S.O.B. and NO your opinions are NOT correct.

You seem to have nothing better to do than to berate people and their input
on this new group. You must me a very unhappy person. Sorry to have wasted
my time with you.

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gh said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm sorry to have offended you David, I thought this was a sincere
question asking for fact based information. Please advise as to
how this in any way could be construed as spam.

It could sure be construed that way if you sell the stuff, and you've
been very coy about not discussing the matter.

So let's drag it out into the middle of the room. Do you sell those
products you were mentioning? Yes or no.

You are so full of yourself! I know a tri-athlete who uses the stuff
religiously, throughly believes in the benefits he has experienced and has
reviewed the research (he is also a medical doctor)

If I did sell it, I certainly would not to you. You are a judgemental
S.O.B. and NO your opinions are NOT correct.

Thank you -- your evasions speak for themselves. If you didn't sell
the stuff, you'd have just said so. You didn't.

Not that I'm surprised. It was obvious from the outset that you were
spamming us. I just wanted to see whether you'd have the guts to
admit it. You don't.

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You seem to have nothing better to do than to berate people and their
input on this new group. You must me a very unhappy person. Sorry to
have wasted my time with you.

How about apologizing for wasting everyone's time with your spam?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Thank you -- your evasions speak for themselves. If you didn't sell
the stuff, you'd have just said so. You didn't.

Not that I'm surprised. It was obvious from the outset that you were
spamming us. I just wanted to see whether you'd have the guts to
admit it. You don't.

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You seem to have nothing better to do than to berate people and their
input on this new group. You must me a very unhappy person. Sorry to
have wasted my time with you.

Who Died and made you God? No I don't sell it. Obviously you are heard
headed or just plain stupid!

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How about apologizing for wasting everyone's time with your spam?

You need to learn your terminology. Spam is not a factual statement to an
open question. It is people like you who ruin the who concept of a news
group for every one else.

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Sadly you can not get all your nutrition from your daily diet! In June

2002

Quoted message said:

the Journal of American Medical Association stated " We recomend every

adult

Quoted message said:

take a multi-vitamin daily, as you can no longer get adequate nutrition

from

Quoted message said:

your diet" ..... You can get "Enough to prevent Deficiency, but not enough
to prevent Disease"

Isn't that what we all want - to Prevent Disease.

Quoted message said:

What are some good energy supplements, and why?

A product called CordyMax, clinically proven in research studies to boost
stamina and increase your VO2 max (oxygen usage) is a good product.

Another

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is Cortitrol,

Never seen them offered to the public. So, what's the point?

lm

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In article <[email hidden]>,

gh said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the
likes of you.

I'm sorry to have offended you David, I thought this was a sincere

question

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asking for fact based information. Please advise as to how this in any

way

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could be construed as spam.

I too have been reported to google for doing spam (which I never did).
See Dave, you say that we have free speech. There are all sorts of ways to
shut up the opposition.

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It could sure be construed that way if you sell the stuff, and you've
been very coy about not discussing the matter.

So let's drag it out into the middle of the room. Do you sell those
products you were mentioning? Yes or no.

My spam was referring somebody to a website which sold books on tissue
salts.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/media.htm

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In article <[email hidden]>,

gh said:

Sadly you can not get all your nutrition from your daily diet! In June

2002

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the Journal of American Medical Association stated " We recomend every

adult

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

take a multi-vitamin daily, as you can no longer get adequate nutrition

from

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

your diet" ..... You can get "Enough to prevent Deficiency, but not

enough

Quoted message said:

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to prevent Disease"

Isn't that what we all want - to Prevent Disease.

Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the
likes of you.

What do you mean "by the likes of you"?
You never did tell us Dave, just what do you know about nutritional
supplements? Do you believe in them or not?

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/media.htm

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Carole said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

gh said:

Sadly you can not get all your nutrition from your daily diet! In June

2002

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the Journal of American Medical Association stated " We recomend every

adult

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

take a multi-vitamin daily, as you can no longer get adequate nutrition

from

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

your diet" ..... You can get "Enough to prevent Deficiency, but not

enough

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to prevent Disease"

Isn't that what we all want - to Prevent Disease.

Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the
likes of you.

What do you mean "by the likes of you"?

Spammers.

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You never did tell us Dave, just what do you know about nutritional
supplements? Do you believe in them or not?

Well, I believe in them in the sense that I know they exist.

I believe in them as a remedy for nutritional deficiencies. Taking
vitamin C will cure scurvy, or B12 for pernicious anemia.

They may have other uses in, say, improving health, but this is a very
complex subject and not easily reduced to one-liners if you're trying
to be accurate.

Your beloved cell salts, however, deliver nutrients in homeopathic
doses and are thus of no significant nutritional value.

I hope this will clarify my position for you.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the
likes of you.

What do you mean "by the likes of you"?

Spammers.

The definition of a spammer is somebody who comes to this ng for the
sole purpose of drumming up business. Does this description fit the MO
of the person you called a spammer?

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You never did tell us Dave, just what do you know about nutritional
supplements? Do you believe in them or not?

Well, I believe in them in the sense that I know they exist.

Good.

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I believe in them as a remedy for nutritional deficiencies. Taking
vitamin C will cure scurvy, or B12 for pernicious anemia.

Good.

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They may have other uses in, say, improving health, but this is a very
complex subject and not easily reduced to one-liners if you're trying
to be accurate.

Yes.

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Your beloved cell salts, however, deliver nutrients in homeopathic
doses and are thus of no significant nutritional value.

This is the area where you need to improve your understanding both of
homeopathy and cellsalts.

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I hope this will clarify my position for you.

Thanks for that.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm

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Carole said:

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> Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the
> likes of you.

What do you mean "by the likes of you"?

Spammers.

The definition of a spammer is somebody who comes to this ng for the
sole purpose of drumming up business. Does this description fit the MO
of the person you called a spammer?

I thought it did, yes. It may be that I was wrong, but we never
really found out.

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Your beloved cell salts, however, deliver nutrients in homeopathic
doses and are thus of no significant nutritional value.

This is the area where you need to improve your understanding both of
homeopathy and cellsalts.

No, this is where you need to learn something about chemistry and the
Avogadro limit. I know far more about homeopathy than you do about
the topics I've just mentioned.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)