SUPERGO - WARNING! Shipping method switched

Bill, Maybe it takes two days to get to you by Ground so
what's the problem? If it doesn't get there in 2 days, call
Supergo... Snake

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Just placed an order with SUPERGO.Com

Selected "UPS Two Day" shipping on the check out - 9.25 (
vs Ups Ground at
6.50)

When the order was finalized, the shipping method
description was changed

to

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Ups Ground - but the shipping charges were still 9.25

The confirmation Email also indicated "Ground Shipping"
- at 9.25

I've got screen shots of the "Submit Your Order" and
"Order Summary" www pages to prove the switch was made.

Buyers beware.

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what's the problem?

You can't charge for ups-two day and then deliver via
ground.

The practice is illegal and dishonest.

Bill:

Call their customer service and tell them what happened. I'm
sure they'll credit your card if you really were
overcharged. Might even throw in something to make all right
in the world. I've dealt with them before, and they're a
solid company.

HTH,

-jb

--
John Bigboote Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems "The Future
Begins Tomorrow"

Hi John,

Thanks for your input, but I can not agree.

Quoted message said:

Call their customer service and tell them what happened.

Still waiting for a response to email sent to their
Customer Service.

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I'm sure they'll credit your card if you really were
overcharged.

Gotta wonder how many people have even noticed this switch
being made - let alone taken the time to document the
offense by making screen-shots of the offending WWW sales
order pages.

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Might even throw in something to make all right in
the world.

Bribery? No sale.

Please just give me what I paid for.

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I've dealt with them before, and they're a solid company.

We'll see, I thought I'd try Supergo after finally getting
fed up with PerformanceBike.com's SOP of charging my credit
card on the date an order is placed - a week or more before
the items are actually shipped. And my LAST
PerformanceBike.com order was shipped via usps instead of
Fedex - which I KNOW I selected but can not prove - thus my
caution in documenting the shipment method on my first and
probably LAST Supergo order.

"It's only wrong if you get caught", Right?

Bill

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill said:

Hi John,

Thanks for your input, but I can not agree.

Quoted message said:

Call their customer service and tell them what happened.

Still waiting for a response to email sent to their
Customer Service.

If you care about succeeding, don't waste your time with
email. Pick up the phone, and don't let them hang up til
you're satisfied. Otherwise you are wasting your time.

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi John,

Thanks for your input, but I can not agree.

Quoted message said:

Call their customer service and tell them what happened.

Still waiting for a response to email sent to their
Customer Service.

Quoted message said:

I'm sure they'll credit your card if you really were
overcharged.

Gotta wonder how many people have even noticed this switch
being made -

let

Quoted message said:

alone taken the time to document the offense by making screen-
shots of the offending WWW sales order pages.

Quoted message said:

Might even throw in something to make all right in the
world.

Bribery? No sale.

Please just give me what I paid for.

Quoted message said:

I've dealt with them before, and they're a solid
company.

We'll see, I thought I'd try Supergo after finally getting
fed up with PerformanceBike.com's SOP of charging my
credit card on the date an order

is

Quoted message said:

placed - a week or more before the items are actually
shipped. And my

LAST

Quoted message said:

PerformanceBike.com order was shipped via usps instead of
Fedex - which I KNOW I selected but can not prove - thus
my caution in documenting the shipment method on my first
and probably LAST Supergo order.

"It's only wrong if you get caught", Right?

Bill

It's amazing how the vast majority of us deal with all
these companies without complaint for years. Then we get
these Anger Posters who seem to have problems with every
company with whom they deal. No one is good enough, and
everyone is out to scam them. Makes you wonder just who is
screwing with whom.

Bill said:

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they're managed as separate businesses by different
people.

I ' spose it depends upon how one defines "separate".

Very interesting that they have sequential IP addresses:

66.77.82.200 (Nashbar)
66.77.82.201 (PerformanceBike)
66.77.82.202 (SuperGo)

==================
Tracing route to speedy2.nashbar.com [66.77.82.200] over a
maximum of 30 hops:

6 1434 ms 1285 ms 1281 ms svl-core-03.inet.qwest.net
[205.171.5.5] 7 1506 ms 1515 ms 1557 ms chi-core-
01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.8.194] 8 1438
ms 1440 ms 1494 ms chi-core-
02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.20.170] 9 1255
ms 1098 ms 1141 ms cer-core-
01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.205.34] 10 1263
ms 1433 ms 1720 ms cer-core-
02.inet.qwest.net
[205.171.139.2] 11 1976 ms 2142 ms 2059 ms cec-cntr-
02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.139.26] 12
1828 ms 2103 ms 2030 ms msfc-
03.cec.qwest.net [66.77.112.42] 13 * * ^C

Tracing route to box.performancebike.com [66.77.82.201]
over a maximum of 30 hops: ... 6 1111 ms 1219 ms 1130 ms
svl-core-03.inet.qwest.net [205.171.5.5 7 1206 ms 1343 ms
1329 ms chi-core-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.8.1 8 1295 ms
1248 ms 1251 ms chi-core-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.20. 9
1373 ms 1689 ms 1703 ms cer-core-01.inet.qwest.net
[205.171.205 10 1703 ms 1658 ms 1646 ms cer-core-
02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.139 11 1540 ms 1590 ms 1656 ms
cec-cntr-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.139 12 1513 ms 1416 ms
1387 ms msfc-03.cec.qwest.net [66.77.112.42] 13 * * *
Request timed out.

Tracing route to supergo.com [66.77.82.202] over a maximum
of 30 hops: ... 6 1267 ms 1417 ms 1414 ms svl-core-
03.inet.qwest.net
[205.171.5.5] 7 1414 ms 1532 ms 1374 ms chi-core-
01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.8.194] 8 1343
ms 1363 ms 1403 ms chi-core-
02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.20.170] 9 1365
ms 1301 ms 1363 ms cer-core-
01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.205.34] 10
1519 ms 1427 ms 1521 ms cer-core-
02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.139.2] 11 1288
ms 1180 ms 1137 ms cec-cntr-
02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.139.26] 12
1101 ms 1140 ms 797 ms msfc-
03.cec.qwest.net [66.77.112.42] 13
* * * Request timed out.
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"Paul Southworth" <[email hidden]>
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Apparently true, whois data shows supergo.com is
registered do:

Registrant: Performance Inc (SUPERGO-DOM) One Performance
Way Chapel Hill, NC 27514 US

"Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Glhudson1 wrote: No, you're really not. They may have
common ownership and buying power, but they're managed as
separate businesses by different people. So you could
have a completely different experience with each company
(Nashbar too).

Matt O.

I just ordered from Nashbar and was charged sales tax so I
ask why. Well they're owned by Performance now, which is NC,
USA based.

--
- Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

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Makes you wonder just who is screwing with whom.

Like I said, "Please just give me what I paid for."

Simple.

FWIW, I received an email response from their customer
service, claiming "We don't ship UPS, we ship Fedex".

I sent her a copy of the screenshot that clearly says
"UPS TWO DAY".

Bill said:

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Makes you wonder just who is screwing with whom.

Like I said, "Please just give me what I paid for."

Simple.

FWIW, I received an email response from their customer
service, claiming "We don't ship UPS, we ship Fedex".

I sent her a copy of the screenshot that clearly says "UPS
TWO DAY".

Lets see it dumbass....... They use USPS..........not UPS

Must be a conspiracy........

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As of 10:16, 29 APR 04, these are the current shipping
options at:

supergo.comcheckout shipmethod.cfmOpen ↗

($7.75) REGULAR-HOME SHIP TO =20 ($7.75) REGULAR-
BUSINESS SHIP TO =20 ($7.75) US MAIL-
INCL.AK.HI.PR.VI.GUAM =20 ($7.75) FEDEX GROUND-CUST.
REQUEST =20 ($10.75) TWO DAY UPS =20 ($16.25)
OVERNIGHT UPS =20

Hmmm , UPS is not USPS, is it, "Steve"?

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Must be a conspiracy........

Nah, just a good example of half-assed business practices
induced by a = lack of competition.

"Dumbass Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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On 4/27/04 5:05 PM, in article
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"Bill"

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Lets see it dumbass....... They use USPS..........not UPS
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Must be a conspiracy........

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"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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As of 10:16, 29 APR 04, these are the current shipping
options at:

supergo.comcheckoutOpen ↗ shipmethod.cfm

($7.75) REGULAR-HOME SHIP TO ($7.75) REGULAR-
BUSINESS SHIP TO ($7.75) US MAIL-
INCL.AK.HI.PR.VI.GUAM ($7.75) FEDEX GROUND-CUST.
REQUEST ($10.75) TWO DAY UPS ($16.25) OVERNIGHT
UPS

Hmmm , UPS is not USPS, is it, "Steve"?

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Must be a conspiracy........

Nah, just a good example of half-assed business practices
induced by a lack of competition.

There's certainly no competition in the mailorder bike biz
as the list below indicates!

www.coloradocyclist.com www.excelsports.com
www.pricepoint.com www.schwabcycles.com www.chucksbikes.com
www.nashbar.com (I know, they're owned by performance)
www.bulltek.com www.cbike.com

etc., etc.

PricePoint looks promising. Thanks for the link.

=Bill

"Ed",

I could be wrong, but it looks like, with the exception of
PricePoint, the links you listed all appear to be primarily
single store LBS with a WWW site.

Which of these little fish has the cash reserves and mass
quantity buying power to compete with PerformanceBike AKA
Nashbar AKA SuperGo?

Why are there laws against Monopolies?

Oh, and FWIW, I've been buying from PerformanceBike since
1984 - when they were mail order.

Another link you did not list is tri-zone.comtri-zone.comOpen ↗ -
been buying from them for years and have never had a bad
experience.

=Bill

"Ed Sullivan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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There's certainly no competition in the mailorder bike biz
as the list below indicates!

www.coloradocyclist.com www.excelsports.com
www.pricepoint.com www.schwabcycles.com
www.chucksbikes.com www.nashbar.com (I know, they're owned
by performance) www.bulltek.com www.cbike.com

etc., etc.

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Ed",

"Bill"

Just a couple of comments.

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I could be wrong, but it looks like, with the exception of
PricePoint, the links you listed all appear to be
primarily single store LBS with a WWW site.

Check price and selection and then let me know whether or
not they are competing.

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Which of these little fish has the cash reserves and mass
quantity buying power to compete with PerformanceBike AKA
Nashbar AKA SuperGo?

Apparently they all do, because they have survived. If
Performance was excersizing monopoly power, wouldn't
these have been crushed? I've found better selection and
price at Excel Sports, for example, than from the
Performance monolith.

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Why are there laws against Monopolies?

With zillions of local bike shops, internet sources (shops
or chains or mail order only outlets or otherwise), and
ebay, I find it very hard to believe that any single entity
is poised to monopolize the retail bike industry. You might
instead direct your trust-busting activities to Shimano, the
'Microsoft' of bike parts. (Although Campy is a bit more of
a competitor than Apple.)

"Ed Sullivan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You might instead direct your trust-busting activities to
Shimano, the 'Microsoft' of bike parts.

The key difference there is that Shimano makes good
products.

-jb

--
John Bigboote Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems "The Future
Begins Tomorrow"

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With zillions of local bike shops,

Make that "zillions" minus 2.

There were 2 LBS on the route I commute to work. Each, in a
separate town - until the towns grew into cities and the
cities grew together, as happens via urban sprawl.

A store-front mall was built in a former strawberry field
along the country road that connected the two towns. One of
those store fronts was occupied by a new Performance
retailer. Yes! "This is a good thing", I thought. I'd been a
Performance member for years - better selection, prices, and
now with the retailer - no shipping.

In the past, I'd only bought more expensive items on-
line. Tubes, lubes - maintenance stuff I'd generally buy
at the LBS.

The new Performance store had better prices, and sales... so
I began buying my tubes, lubes, and maintenance stuff at the
new Performance LBS.

Despite my numerous tube and lube purchases, the Performance
retail shop did not survive the recession.

Unfortunately, neither did the original LBS. So now I have
no LBS on my ride home... Can't help but wonder if this is
not a consequence of the choices I made as a consumer.

When I have a choice, I refuse to shop at Wal-Mart - but I
never equated Performance to Wal-Mart before... until now.

20-20 hindsight. Live and learn.

=Bill