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  1. http://www.bicycleretailer.com/bicycleretailer/headlines/article_display.js
    p?vnu_content_id=1001000850

    Performance Splits with Specialized, Giant; Renames Supergo Stores

    AUGUST 01, 2005 -- ASPEN, CO (BRAIN)—Performance, the nation’s largest
    bicycle retailer, has discontinued its relationship with Specialized and
    Giant. Performance is also overhauling its 10 Supergo stores into large-
    scale Performance operations.

    Late last week Giant and Specialized announced, individually, that they had
    terminated their relationships with Performance in agreements with the
    retail giant. Performance chief executive officer Garry Snook, however,
    said the decision to end business with both brands was not an agreement
    between parties, but exclusively a Performance decision.

    Performance had been the largest single customer for both brands.

    Specialized and Giant both announced the split as positive moves for their
    remaining dealers.

    “Our vision is to be the best bike brand in the world”, said Specialized
    founder and president Mike Sinyard. “To achieve this vision, we first have
    to fulfill our mission of becoming the brand of choice of discerning
    customers and dealers and the supplier of choice for the full-service
    dealer. We are constantly re-evaluating our channels of distribution and
    making adjustments to help us fulfill that mission.”

    Steve Boyd, Giant USA’s director of sales, said the “decision supports our
    core goal of remaining dedicated to our loyal dealers while also creating
    new opportunities for retailers interested in working with Giant.”

    Performance’s reason for discontinuing the two brands, according to Snook,
    was surprisingly similar to an oft-heard complaint from smaller, mom-and-
    pop retailers: frustration with manufacturers’ demands.

    “We believe that we should be the party that decides how to be the retailer
    in the relationship. We believe that we should decide where a store should
    be opened, and how they should be merchandized,” Snook said. “Don’t get me
    wrong, we spend a lot of time working with our vendors in a partnership.
    But working with them, it absolutely was not a partnership.”

    Performance recently opened a flagship 12,000-square-foot store in Atlanta,
    a decided departure from the company’s traditional 5,000-square-foot
    operations. Performance has a few other large stores, a format with which
    it has been experimenting.

    “What we wanted to test was whether we could position a Performance store
    close to where Supergo is in size without the big three of Trek, Giant and
    Specialized,” Snook said. “And they are working, they are on sales plan.”

    Another test in Atlanta was the addition of Schwinn/GT to the mix of Fuji
    and Iron Horse. Schwinn/GT bikes will soon be carried in all Performance
    locations.

    “They have been like a breath of fresh air,” Snook said, referring to
    Pacific Cycle, which owns Schwinn/GT.

    In addition to the Supergo stores, Performance will convert ten of its
    largest Performance shops into the large-scale format.

    “The larger stores will carry everything that the small ones do, but with
    more high-end product,” Snook said.

    Performance will keep the Supergo Internet and mail order business intact
    with the Supergo name.

    For the complete story, read the Aug. 15 issue of Bicycle Retailer and
    Industry News.

  2. Okay. The way I read that, they're converting Performance
    stores to Supergo stores. But getting rid of Supergo on
    the storefront?

    Hell. I didn't even know Performance owned Supergo.

    What was the point of that? Why confuse the branding?

    I like my local Supergo. But I'd have liked it even more
    if I'd known it was a Performance storefront. I even drove
    40 minutes to get to a Performance store when one opened in
    town (though mostly because of the grand-opening discounts,
    which were pretty good).

    I did notice that the Supergo is a LOT bigger than the
    Performance store. Probably 4 times as many bikes.

    And I have kind of noticed that Supergo has a lot of
    really expensive bikes on the racks. I'm not sure they're
    worth what they're "discounted" to, either.

    As for losing Specialized and Giant, and not having Trek,
    I personally couldn't care less.

    I just wish they'd bring back the Bianchis they had in
    stock until this year...

    --Blair
    "Middle managers are morons sometimes."

  3. Blair P. Houghton said:

    Okay. The way I read that, they're converting Performance
    stores to Supergo stores. But getting rid of Supergo on
    the storefront?

    Hell. I didn't even know Performance owned Supergo.

    Well in reality, Nashbar owns both of them.

  4. SMS said:
    Blair P. Houghton said:

    Okay. The way I read that, they're converting Performance
    stores to Supergo stores. But getting rid of Supergo on
    the storefront?

    Hell. I didn't even know Performance owned Supergo.

    Well in reality, Nashbar owns both of them.

    Don't think so. Performance owns Nashbar AND Supergo, AFAIK.

    Bill "same teat" S.

  5. Bill Sornson said:
    SMS said:
    Blair P. Houghton said:

    Okay. The way I read that, they're converting Performance
    stores to Supergo stores. But getting rid of Supergo on
    the storefront?

    Hell. I didn't even know Performance owned Supergo.

    Well in reality, Nashbar owns both of them.

    Don't think so. Performance owns Nashbar AND Supergo, AFAIK.

    Yes, my mistake. Arnie sold out to Performance.

  6. Joe Breeze says...

    Quoted message said:

    Another test in Atlanta was the addition of Schwinn/GT to the mix of Fuji
    and Iron Horse. Schwinn/GT bikes will soon be carried in all Performance
    locations.

    Fuji, Iron Horse and Pacific. Yay. Why don't they rename themselves B-
    Mart?

  7. Fred Barney said:

    Joe Breeze says...

    Quoted message said:

    Another test in Atlanta was the addition of Schwinn/GT to the mix of Fuji
    and Iron Horse. Schwinn/GT bikes will soon be carried in all Performance
    locations.

    Fuji, Iron Horse and Pacific. Yay. Why don't they rename themselves B-
    Mart?

    Don't forget Scattante, Tirreno Razza, Forte, and Frame' - jeez those
    guys think of some crappy names and stupid gimmicks.

    They'd be so much better off dealing round-tube decal-less frames with
    good paint jobs and sensible components... in my non-bike biz opinion.

    --
    My bike blog:
    http://diabloscott.blogspot.com/

  8. In article <1123787795.847a0f150b7d71593d9e08fd0173f991@teranews>,

    Diablo Scott said:
    Fred Barney said:

    Joe Breeze says...

    Quoted message said:

    Another test in Atlanta was the addition of Schwinn/GT to the mix of Fuji
    and Iron Horse. Schwinn/GT bikes will soon be carried in all Performance
    locations.

    Fuji, Iron Horse and Pacific. Yay. Why don't they rename themselves B-
    Mart?

    Don't forget Scattante, Tirreno Razza, Forte, and Frame' - jeez those
    guys think of some crappy names and stupid gimmicks.

    They'd be so much better off dealing round-tube decal-less frames with
    good paint jobs and sensible components... in my non-bike biz opinion.

    They do:

    http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=130&subcategory=1176&brand=&s
    ku=11723&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=

    http://www.nashbar.com/profile_moreimages.cfm?category=130&subcategory=11
    76&sku=6064

    The Frame frame comes without the decals applied, has very round tubes,
    and is sold in a tasteful silver colour.

    A friend has one. It's nice. The only sensible knock against it is that
    it's about 4-odd pounds in typical sizes, in a time when racy Al frames
    usually weigh 2.5-3.5 pounds (~1100-1500g).

    A wholly-owned subsidiary of Performance,

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

  9. Ryan Cousineau said:

    In article <1123787795.847a0f150b7d71593d9e08fd0173f991@teranews>,

    Diablo Scott said:


    Don't forget Scattante, Tirreno Razza, Forte, and Frame' - jeez those
    guys think of some crappy names and stupid gimmicks.

    They'd be so much better off dealing round-tube decal-less frames with
    good paint jobs and sensible components... in my non-bike biz opinion.

    They do:

    http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=130&subcategory=1176&brand=&s
    ku=11723&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=

    http://www.nashbar.com/profile_moreimages.cfm?category=130&subcategory=11
    76&sku=6064

    The Frame frame comes without the decals applied, has very round tubes,
    and is sold in a tasteful silver colour.

    Yeah, that's what I had in mind (except for the paint), although it's
    sold only as a bare frame and only mail order so it's not likely to find
    its way to too many beginners. These kinds of bikes need to be in the
    shop, assembled, so guys like me can take interested newbies with low
    budgets there and say "that one". I helped out a semi-newb guy with a
    Tirreno Razzo last week and I just could not figure out what anyone
    would see in that bike. I hope I didn't sneer visually.

  10. Joe Breeze said:

    http://www.bicycleretailer.com/bicycleretailer/headlines/article_display.js
    p?vnu_content_id=1001000850

    Performance Splits with Specialized, Giant; Renames Supergo Stores

    AUGUST 01, 2005 -- ASPEN, CO (BRAIN)-Performance, the nation's largest
    bicycle retailer, has discontinued its relationship with Specialized and
    Giant. Performance is also overhauling its 10 Supergo stores into large-
    scale Performance operations.


    Performance stores hasn't carried Specialized in several years. I'm
    assuming that this refers to their Supergo stores.

    On my ride home I occasionally run into a 70 year old man who owns a
    large local bike shop. According to home the growing Performance
    monster has helped their business, partly because customers have to
    come to him to get Specialized-Trek-Giant and others. But mostly
    because the crappy mechanics they hire at Performance stores are giving
    his store more maintenance work.

    Tom

  11. In article <1123856813.5a0867c06e29cafcb2663352df3edecb@teranews>,

    Diablo Scott said:
    Ryan Cousineau said:

    In article <1123787795.847a0f150b7d71593d9e08fd0173f991@teranews>,

    Diablo Scott said:


    Don't forget Scattante, Tirreno Razza, Forte, and Frame' - jeez those
    guys think of some crappy names and stupid gimmicks.

    They'd be so much better off dealing round-tube decal-less frames with
    good paint jobs and sensible components... in my non-bike biz opinion.

    They do:

    http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=130&subcategory=1176&brand=&s
    ku=11723&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=

    http://www.nashbar.com/profile_moreimages.cfm?category=130&subcategory=11
    76&sku=6064

    The Frame frame comes without the decals applied, has very round tubes,
    and is sold in a tasteful silver colour.

    Yeah, that's what I had in mind (except for the paint), although it's
    sold only as a bare frame and only mail order so it's not likely to find
    its way to too many beginners. These kinds of bikes need to be in the
    shop, assembled, so guys like me can take interested newbies with low
    budgets there and say "that one". I helped out a semi-newb guy with a
    Tirreno Razzo last week and I just could not figure out what anyone
    would see in that bike. I hope I didn't sneer visually.

    Aside from aesthetics, why the feelings that the tubes should be round,
    etc.? Most of the newbies I know would love riding something like a KHS
    Flite 300:

    http://www.khscanada.com/2005Bikes/flite_300.htm

    Reasonable componentry, blandly tasteful graphics, retro cro-mo fork,
    dubiously stylish radial front wheel, and the frame is unlikely to make
    trouble. My local shop is blowing these out for C$639.

    I'm a great fan of garage-sale bikes, but if you have to buy new, and
    you aren't racing, this is the way to go.

    -RjC.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

  12. Ryan Cousineau said:

    Aside from aesthetics, why the feelings that the tubes should be round,
    etc.? Most of the newbies I know would love riding something like a KHS
    Flite 300:

    http://www.khscanada.com/2005Bikes/flite_300.htm

    Reasonable componentry, blandly tasteful graphics, retro cro-mo fork,
    dubiously stylish radial front wheel, and the frame is unlikely to make
    trouble. My local shop is blowing these out for C$639.

    You missed the most important thing: Toe clips.

    --Blair
    "Do they do mail-order?"

  13. Ryan Cousineau said:

    Aside from aesthetics, why the feelings that the tubes should be round,
    etc.? Most of the newbies I know would love riding something like a KHS
    Flite 300:

    http://www.khscanada.com/2005Bikes/flite_300.htm

    Reasonable componentry, blandly tasteful graphics, retro cro-mo fork,
    dubiously stylish radial front wheel, and the frame is unlikely to make
    trouble. My local shop is blowing these out for C$639.

    I'm a great fan of garage-sale bikes, but if you have to buy new, and
    you aren't racing, this is the way to go.

    Well, as long as it fits. But it only comes in four sizes (S M L XL),
    which IMO is not enough to be usable by most riders.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    __o | The lottery is a tax on those who fail to understand
    _`\(,_ | mathematics.
    (_)/ (_) |

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    David L. Johnson said:
    Ryan Cousineau said:

    Aside from aesthetics, why the feelings that the tubes should be round,
    etc.? Most of the newbies I know would love riding something like a KHS
    Flite 300:

    http://www.khscanada.com/2005Bikes/flite_300.htm

    Reasonable componentry, blandly tasteful graphics, retro cro-mo fork,
    dubiously stylish radial front wheel, and the frame is unlikely to make
    trouble. My local shop is blowing these out for C$639.

    I'm a great fan of garage-sale bikes, but if you have to buy new, and
    you aren't racing, this is the way to go.

    Well, as long as it fits. But it only comes in four sizes (S M L XL),
    which IMO is not enough to be usable by most riders.

    I beg to differ. It _is_ enough to be usable by most riders, thanks to
    the dual miracles of a long seatpost and an adjustable stem.

    The whole argument against compact geometry (aside from aesthetics) is
    that such bikes exclude the minority of riders who need something on the
    margins of non-custom bike fit.

    Even with 8-size frame makers out there, a small contingent of riders
    find that only a custom frame will fit them properly.

    On the other hand, maybe bike fit doesn't matter quite as much as you
    might think:

    http://www.velonews.com/tour2005/tech/articles/8584.0.html
    http://www.velonews.com/tour2004/tech/articles/6657.0.html

    In 2004, Liberty-Seguros equipped all of its riders using a _single_
    size of BH frame.

    My personal bias towards compact frames is because it means there will
    soon be a wider selection in the used frame market, because more of the
    frames will fit me,

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

  15. Ryan Cousineau said:

    Even with 8-size frame makers out there, a small contingent of riders
    find that only a custom frame will fit them properly.

    On the other hand, maybe bike fit doesn't matter quite as much as you
    might think:

    http://www.velonews.com/tour2005/tech/articles/8584.0.html
    http://www.velonews.com/tour2004/tech/articles/6657.0.html

    In 2004, Liberty-Seguros equipped all of its riders using a _single_
    size of BH frame.

    My personal bias towards compact frames is because it means there will
    soon be a wider selection in the used frame market, because more of the
    frames will fit me,

    Compact frames don't always look right though, for example, a compact
    frame on a road bike looks weird, kinda like in cars, a convertable with
    4 doors looks weird.

    W

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