Sunsets

In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
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Fran said:

[1] Damn fool name for a cave system: 'Under the Cave caves'. I
ask you!

That's the bloody English for you. They added the word "caves" to the
end! Idiots. As for "under the cave", I suppose that could be
interpreted as "underground in the cave" or similar. Not quite sure
about that, Bill?

Paul
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http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

Sorry I'm not keeping up date-wise, but possibly the name derives from
the fact that the Morgan brothers discovered the cave system via the
river that runs "under" the caves.

However have you considered that when you're in a cave you generally
think of the roof "above" you making you under the cave.

Anyway - tea's up!
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

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In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
<[email hidden]> writes

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Fran said:

[1] Damn fool name for a cave system: 'Under the Cave caves'. I
ask you!

That's the bloody English for you. They added the word "caves" to the
end! Idiots. As for "under the cave", I suppose that could be
interpreted as "underground in the cave" or similar. Not quite sure
about that, Bill?

Sorry I'm not keeping up date-wise,

Eh? Keeping up? Why on earth would anyone want to do that? ;-)

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but possibly the name derives from
the fact that the Morgan brothers discovered the cave system via the
river that runs "under" the caves.

Could be, I suppose... or perhaps there are more caverns over
the top of the Showcaves? Seems unlikely, given the height of
some of them, but you never know - or do you?

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However have you considered that when you're in a cave you generally
think of the roof "above" you making you under the cave.

Do you? I tend to think of the space within as the cave (i.e.
cavern) and the roof as, err, the roof.

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Anyway - tea's up!

Ahh, now you're talking my kind of language! Black, no sugar
thanks. And could I have just a touch of cold water in it to
take the scaldingness away? Mmmm! Thanks, that's lovely!
--
I try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me
as a dire warning.

Fran said:

Quoted message said:

but possibly the name derives from
the fact that the Morgan brothers discovered the cave system via the
river that runs "under" the caves.

Could be, I suppose... or perhaps there are more caverns over
the top of the Showcaves? Seems unlikely, given the height of
some of them, but you never know - or do you?

Actually I'm pretty sure I've seen a diagram of Dan yr Ogof caves in the
past and I believe they do occur on distinctly different levels, so some
of the caves are probably quite literally underneath other caves.

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Ahh, now you're talking my kind of language! Black, no sugar
thanks. And could I have just a touch of cold water in it to
take the scaldingness away? Mmmm! Thanks, that's lovely!

Cold water!!! Sacrilege!!!

Paul
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http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

In article <[email hidden]>, Fran
<[email hidden]> writes

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Quoted message said:

but possibly the name derives from
the fact that the Morgan brothers discovered the cave system via the
river that runs "under" the caves.

Could be, I suppose... or perhaps there are more caverns over
the top of the Showcaves? Seems unlikely, given the height of
some of them, but you never know - or do you?

Before the Morgan brothers discovered the caves the caves didn't have a
name. They were , come to think of it, named as the "caves above" the
newly discovered adit making the adit beneath the caves or Dan-yr Ogof.

Ogof is singular, Ogofau or Ogofeydd are the plural forms.

Anyone else got any plausible explantion - mine is only a guess.
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

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Black, no sugar

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thanks. And could I have just a touch of cold water in it to
take the scaldingness away? Mmmm! Thanks, that's lovely!

Cold water!!! Sacrilege!!!

So what do you add to people's tea when they want milk, hot milk
or cold? Where other people add milk I add cold water. Helps to
keep the roof of my mouth in one piece.
--
I try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me
as a dire warning.

In article <[email hidden]>, ste©
<[email hidden]> writes

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I know the following image is not a classic,
http://www.stephenmciver.com/hods/images/149_4911.jpg, but rather than
blending two images of two exposures, I just exposed to get the window (very
bright, and the LCD of my camera made the room of people turn black when
half-holding the shutter), then used fill-flash to get the room of people.
It seems to have worked just fine, but obviously, my little Canon 420EX
flash might have trouble lighting up a landscape with mountains several
miles away! :-)

Quite good Ste but maybe a bounced flash would have softened the inside
light. I'm thinking in terms of reducing the shadow of the helmets of
the gent nearest to the camera
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

W. D. Grey said:

In article <[email hidden]>, ste©
<[email hidden]> writes

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I know the following image is not a classic,
http://www.stephenmciver.com/hods/images/149_4911.jpg, but rather than
blending two images of two exposures, I just exposed to get the window (very
bright, and the LCD of my camera made the room of people turn black when
half-holding the shutter), then used fill-flash to get the room of people.
It seems to have worked just fine, but obviously, my little Canon 420EX
flash might have trouble lighting up a landscape with mountains several
miles away! :-)

Quite good Ste but maybe a bounced flash would have softened the inside
light. I'm thinking in terms of reducing the shadow of the helmets of
the gent nearest to the camera

It's always a problem using on-camera flash for verticals as you end
up with shadows to the side instead of below.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

"W. D. Grey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| In article <[email hidden]>, ste©
| <[email hidden]> writes
| >I know the following image is not a classic,
| >http://www.stephenmciver.com/hods/images/149_4911.jpg, but rather than
| >blending two images of two exposures, I just exposed to get the window
(very
| >bright, and the LCD of my camera made the room of people turn black when
| >half-holding the shutter), then used fill-flash to get the room of
people.
| >It seems to have worked just fine, but obviously, my little Canon 420EX
| >flash might have trouble lighting up a landscape with mountains several
| >miles away! :-)
|
| Quite good Ste but maybe a bounced flash would have softened the inside
| light. I'm thinking in terms of reducing the shadow of the helmets of
| the gent nearest to the camera
| --
| Bill Grey

Good idea Bill. But that's not his shadow, it's a ghost! :-)

Ste