Haha, I clicked that link looking forward to a read about my own uni's history, a Summit, and low and behold I started that thread. I got mine almost exactly a year ago and love it, i think it was the one I was talking about their. I think Man-O-War was just put on the KH cranks in an effort to differentiate them from the KH's, cause they are the exact same, it could be an effort to not look like complete rip-off's too. So what is the real Summit story I've been wondering for a while. I've heard rip-off and prototype (Roger)?