summer head protection question

Steve W <[email hidden]> wrote:
: I AM going to buy one.
: Any recommendations for a cool (as in "not too hot"😉 head protection device!
: For off road.

I've got a Giro Atmos. It's extremely expensive, but is much cooler than any
other helmet I've ever used. I believe that their is an off-road equivelent
(ie with peak) in the Giro range.

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of memory against forgetting - Milan Kundera

Steve W said:

Any recommendations for a cool (as in "not too hot"😉 head protection device!
For off road.

General rule of thumb is the more vents they have the more comfortable
they are.

However, also be aware that basic fit to head will be a factor in
overall comfort and also its ability to protect you. Note that "basic
fit" includes the straps done up in such a way as to be snug and prevent
the helmet from moving about when correctly located on your noggin.

Quoted message said:

It's very hard to find any recommendations without tripping up on the
extremely boring, never ending politics that surround this!

The politics of choosing for yourself are pretty much unrelated to the
politics of compulsion, which is what usually gets Very Boring here.

My recommendation is go to a place that stocks a good range and try a
load on. Given a basically sound fit as a fundamental requirement, then
get the one with most vents. This will, of course, generally be the
more expensive one (maintaining a standard of protection with more holes
requires more engineering).

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

get the one with most vents.

And look at the size of the vents from the /inside/ of the hat, not the
outside. They're only as large as their /smallest/ dimension.

"Steve W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I AM going to buy one.
Any recommendations for a cool (as in "not too hot"😉 head protection

device!

Quoted message said:

For off road.
It's very hard to find any recommendations without tripping up on the
extremely boring, never ending politics that surround this!

It's politics from the people that wear them.

It's science from those that don't.

Steve W said:

I AM going to buy one.
Any recommendations for a cool (as in "not too hot"😉 head protection device!
For off road.
It's very hard to find any recommendations without tripping up on the
extremely boring, never ending politics that surround this!

Thanks
SW

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?W=0&Manufacturer=&UberCatName=&Cat=cycle&CategoryName=Headwear%20-%20Cycle&ProdID=5360016811&UberCat=0

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Tony

"I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
Anon

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Quoted message said:

Steve W said:

I AM going to buy one.
Any recommendations for a cool (as in "not too hot"😉 head protection
device! For off road.
It's very hard to find any recommendations without tripping up on the
extremely boring, never ending politics that surround this!

Thanks
SW

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?W=0&Manufacturer=&UberCatName=&Cat=cycle&CategoryName=Headwear%20-%20Cycle&ProdID=5360016811&UberCat=0

Come on, give the guy a break. That's just pink and shocking! This provides
a much better solution in my opinion ...
http://www.hatsinthebelfry.com/page/H/CTGY/zo

elyob said:

Come on, give the guy a break. That's just pink and shocking! This
provides a much better solution in my opinion ...
http://www.hatsinthebelfry.com/page/H/CTGY/zo

What, and risk having Tim Nicebutdim letting off both barrels in your
direction?

Pull!

--
Tony

"I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
Anon

Steve W said:

It's very hard to find any recommendations without tripping up on the
extremely boring, never ending politics that surround this!

Not too difficult, most of us are perfectly happy to accept anyone's
free choice as long as they don't attempt to force that choice on us.
If you look at my website you will see a picture of me on a mountain
bike wearing a plastic hat.

So: according to Brian Walker, who tests most of the helmets coming
into the UK, the only major brand he will recommend is Specialized.
At the end of the recent Cycle article was a list of helmets which
meet the Snell standard, but I don't have a copy to hand. The
manufacturers do not go out of their way to help you find this
information, either.

Guy
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Just zis Guy said:

So: according to Brian Walker, who tests most of the helmets coming
into the UK, the only major brand he will recommend is Specialized.

All other things being equal, but matters of fit aren't, and if Speccies
are the wrong shape for your particular head, as opposed to HPE's
anvils, you may be better off with something else.

As someone who finds Speccies fit his head fairly well I am happy with
the degree to which they combine reasonable (lack of dis)comfort witha
fair price.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

in message <[email hidden]>, Steve W

(') said:

I AM going to buy one.
Any recommendations for a cool (as in "not too hot"😉 head protection
device! For off road.
It's very hard to find any recommendations without tripping up on the
extremely boring, never ending politics that surround this!

All helmets are hot'n'sweaty. If you're going off road a high proportion
of injuries are to the face. The Met Parachute is the lightest helmet
which offers some degree of protection to the face, which is why I chose
it. It's based on conventional cycle helmet technology and consequently
not significantly hotter or sweatier than any other. How effective this
protection would really be in an impact I don't know and don't really
want to find out (at least not by direct experience) but I have some
faith that it must be better than none.

'Downhill' helmets offer much more protection to the face (and indeed to
the whole head) but are much hotter and sweatier.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change.

jtaylor said:

Quoted message said:

For off road.
It's very hard to find any recommendations without tripping up on the
extremely boring, never ending politics that surround this!

It's politics from the people that wear them.
It's science from those that don't.

This is for off road, which is a different kettle of fish. If I did
off-road riding, with the higher risk of low-speed vehicle-free falls
onto rocky surfaces, I'd probably wear one too.

--
Mark.
http://tranchant.plus.com/

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Quoted message said:

This is for off road, which is a different kettle of fish. If I did
off-road riding, with the higher risk of low-speed vehicle-free falls onto
rocky surfaces, I'd probably wear one too.

And you can use risk compensation to make your ride more fun!

(the idea being that you want to encourage yourself to ride more
dangerously, and if wearing a helmet helps you with this, it's a good thing)

cheers,
clive

Mark Tranchant said:

This is for off road, which is a different kettle of fish. If I did
off-road riding, with the higher risk of low-speed vehicle-free falls
onto rocky surfaces, I'd probably wear one too.

But for a *real-life* low-speed vehicle-free fall onto a rocky surface:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/uk.rec.cycling/browse_thread/thread/2a8da89c01427b3/1c0a24a3788497af?q=group:uk.rec.cycling+insubject:shear+insubject:stress&rnum=1&hl=en#1c0a24a3788497af

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Nick Kew

Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote:
: of injuries are to the face. The Met Parachute is the lightest helmet
: which offers some degree of protection to the face, which is why I chose

Interesting. How solid is that face guard? It looks pretty flimsy in the
photo, but these things are very hard to tell from pictures.

Arthur

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of memory against forgetting - Milan Kundera

This month's Consumer Association Which? test report on helmets shows the
following are coolest on test:
Canyon Cruz
Giro Encinal
Specialized Chamonix
Bell Ukon FS

of these the Canyon Cruz has the best shock absorption and is also the
cheapest.

cheers

Davy

"Steve W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I AM going to buy one.
Any recommendations for a cool (as in "not too hot"😉 head protection

device!

Quoted message said:

For off road.
It's very hard to find any recommendations without tripping up on the
extremely boring, never ending politics that surround this!

Thanks
SW

in message <[email hidden]>, Arthur Clune

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Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote:
: of injuries are to the face. The Met Parachute is the lightest helmet
: which offers some degree of protection to the face, which is why I
: chose

Interesting. How solid is that face guard? It looks pretty flimsy in
the photo, but these things are very hard to tell from pictures.

It's very hard to tell with plastic structures. The plastic of the chin
guard is about 2.5mm thick, has a medium gloss outer surface and (where
visible) a quite matte inner surface. Much of the interior is covered by
padding. I can't see any evidence of an inhomogeneity (such as one might
get from an internal Kevlar reinforcement, say), and it doesn't have the
smooth curves I would instinctively design for something intended to
resist impact.

But in the hands it's quite strong - it deforms a bit under hand pressure
but it takes a lot of pressure to make it deform. I would certainly
expect it to protect you in the sort of rattling slide down a scree
slope on which I tend to pick up the worst of my mountain biking
injuries but if you fetched up hard against a rock or a tree trunk all
bets are off.

Shades of the coffee thread passim, I /assume/ it is not brittle and if
it failed it wouldn't break into shards which would themselves be
injurious, but I do not /know/ this to be true.

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I shall continue to be an impossible person so long as those
who are now possible remain possible -- Michael Bakunin

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Steve W said:

I AM going to buy one.
Any recommendations for a cool (as in "not too hot"😉 head protection device!
For off road.
It's very hard to find any recommendations without tripping up on the
extremely boring, never ending politics that surround this!

Go into the shop, try them on, and get the one which fits well.

Martin.

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When emailing me, please include the word Banana in the subject line.

thanks for the input.

pity about the "politics"

SW

On 07/04/2005 15:25:58 Peter Clinch said:

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So: according to Brian Walker, who tests most of the helmets coming into
the UK, the only major brand he will recommend is Specialized.

Quoted message said:

All other things being equal, but matters of fit aren't, and if Speccies
are the wrong shape for your particular head, as opposed to HPE's anvils,
you may be better off with something else.

Quoted message said:

As someone who finds Speccies fit his head fairly well I am happy with the
degree to which they combine reasonable (lack of dis)comfort witha fair
price.

On the odd occassion that I wear a helmet, I have a Briko Twinner,
cooling is good as long as you are moving, comfy to.
--

Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk