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  1. With the success of NAUCC 2006 fresh in the minds of several hundred
    people, I thought I'd take this opportunity to start thinking about
    what we can do to ensure that 2007's convention is just as good. It's
    also a good time to start thinking about little tweaks ('creative
    adjustments'😉 based on things that didn't go as well as we'd have liked
    in past conventions.

    I'm hoping to host an NAUCC in NY in the near future, so I'd like to
    know what we should try to replicate and where we can make things work
    even more smoothly. Here, then, are my two categories: KEEP JUST AS IT
    WAS and COULD BE EVEN BETTER.

    In the first category, here are some things I'd try to copy from NAUCC
    2006 or other past conventions. This is my KEEP JUST AS IT WAS
    section:
    1. The 20-mile Coker- and guni- ride the first morning of the
    convention. This was a total success, and it was wise to keep it a few
    days ahead of the track events so that riders had time to recover. The
    hill challenge made it even more fun. Tom Maxwell's leadership helped
    tremendously (for example, it was really important to take frequent
    breaks). The ride also made fast friends of everyone on it.
    2. The Downtown fun ride was perfect, too. Again, it was great having
    the expertise of the MUC members who accompanied us. It was nice that
    the ride kept the pace of its slowest riders (who happened to be my
    daughter and her friends). We got to see some neat places, and everyone
    really seemed to have a great time. In contrast, the downtown fun rides
    in Toronto and Seattle a few years ago were also great but were
    completely different. There were enough riders that the rides broke
    into several sections depending on what riders wanted to do and what
    they could handle. I guess that's the ideal way to go.
    3. The trials competition was well organized. I'm not much of a trials
    dude, so I can't speak to the specifics of the obstacles laid out, but
    it's always nice to have a car to hop on, and the other items (like the
    bleachers) looked excellent and seemed plenty challenging. The score
    cards were great, too. Some MUCsters told me that at the last second,
    they realized the need for some easier sections, so they created a few
    beginner areas -- another great idea!

    COULD BE EVEN BETTER:
    1. I loved the trials area, but I remember being concerned for safety
    at a few places. Perhaps we should ask hosting-club volunteers to act
    as spotters, or perhaps we can ask the riders to act as spotters for
    others who are attempting the same obstacles.
    2. 10K races always seem to have confusion about the course. We need
    volunteers at critical junctures (like where the race turns around to
    double back) so that people don't ride off the course. This has been a
    problem at every 10K I've ridden or heard about. I'd also suggest a
    specific color code for arrows used to mark the course. The color
    doesn't matter -- as long as we know what to look for. [I loved what
    one man said about how it can be hard to get permission to paint arrows
    on a road course: It's easier to get forgiveness that to get
    permission!]
    3. We can run the track events a bit more efficiently. I have some
    ideas that I'll post in a separate thread.

    Please add your ideas to both categories. The more information we have,
    the better we'll all do in future NAUCCs.

    I want to stress that the 2006 event was excellent and that everyone
    seemed to have a great time. I've participated in 6 conventions so far,
    and they always leave me wanting more and looking forward to the next
    one. I can't wait till NAUCC 2007!

    Great job, Memphis Unicycle Club!

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  2. Ooh! I just remembered another achievement of the NAUCC 2006 that I'd
    like to replicate in future: Their website.

    They had a wonderful, updated site that listed not only the schedule of
    events but also the LOCATION of those events and DIRECTIONS to those
    locations! Great job!!!

    One suggestion: Since some of us are using GPSs to help navigate to
    these locations, let's make sure to have GPS-friendly addresses for
    each event. There were a few times last week when I had to navigate on
    my own without the help of a map or any innate sense of direction.

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  3. David_Stone said:


    2. 10K races always seem to have confusion about the course. We need
    volunteers at critical junctures (like where the race turns around to
    double back) so that people don't ride off the course. This has been a
    problem at every 10K I've ridden or heard about. I'd also suggest a
    specific color code for arrows used to mark the course. The color
    doesn't matter -- as long as we know what to look for. [I loved what
    one man said about how it can be hard to get permission to paint arrows
    on a road course: It's easier to get forgiveness that to get
    permission!]

    The only one I have had the opportunity to ride is the one in
    Minneapolis. It was out and back with a water break in the middle and
    along the route. It was on an actual trail along the Mississippi. I
    missed others either because I had to leave before they had it on the
    last day, or because the venues and hotels were so far apart, I
    couldn't get a ride/leave my family w/o transportation. I don't know
    that there is a good solution for this other than a city with a lot of
    public transportation. Even then I'd probably get lost.

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  4. In 2002, we used different colored chalks to make marks on the pavement
    of our 10K road course. This was done at the suggestion of a committee
    member who was very experienced in the organization of road races.

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  5. David_Stone said:

    1. I loved the trials area, but I remember being concerned for safety at
    a few places. Perhaps we should ask hosting-club volunteers to act as
    spotters, or perhaps we can ask the riders to act as spotters for
    others who are attempting the same obstacles.

    hmmm.....isnt that half the challenge?

    Chase

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  6. I wasnt there but after seeing Forrests videos it seems like there wasnt
    much effort put into the area for the Street competition. I kno it was
    the first ever but that might be someting to try for next year.

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  7. Unitik908 said:

    hmmm.....isnt that half the challenge?

    I just mean that I'd like to see someone ready to 'catch' a rider who
    slips and is about to fall backwards, risking paralysis. I saw one such
    fall a few days ago at NAUCC. Happily the rider was fine, but a few
    changes in the parameters (had he fallen from a few inches higher, or a
    few inches to the right, etc) and he could have snapped his back over
    the side of a sandbox. I'd like to see experienced riders look over a
    course ahead of time to determine worst-case scenarios and then figure
    out non-intrusive ways to fix them (like spotters). I don't want to
    remove the challenge -- just the disastrous outcomes that happen when
    someone doesn't successfully meet that challenge!

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  8. trials_uni said:

    I wasnt there but after seeing Forrests videos it seems like there wasnt
    much effort put into the area for the Street competition. I kno it was
    the first ever but that might be someting to try for next year.

    Yeah.. we set that up ourselves using what we wanted from the trials
    comp obstacles. There was a skatepark literally right next door, but
    insurance or something wouldn't work out.

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  9. David_Stone said:


    [I loved what one man said about how it can be hard to get permission
    to paint arrows on a road course: It's easier to get forgiveness that
    to get permission!]

    Stewart's Law of Retroactivity - It's easier to ask for forgiveness
    than it is for permission.
    And though I do tend till follow that law from time to time, I also
    try to be a good steward for nature. It does not bother me to mark a
    road which is already a scar on the landscape, but will not do the same
    on a natural trail. Or for another quote this time from Aristotle -
    Everything in moderation.

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  10. how bout hosting it in providence

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  11. As we've been discussing in the thread, "Naucc '07 . . . . . . .???,"
    NAUCC 2007 will reportedly be held somewhere in eastern Michigan. Watch
    the USA, Inc. home page (and, I'm sure, the next issue of On One Wheel)
    for further details.

    What I posted in the cited thread bears repeating here: "For the
    benefit of the folks in the cheap seats, let me restate that the sites
    for both NAUCCs and UNICONs are dependent on the existance of strong,
    motivated, local organizing committees. If you think you would like to
    organize one (or, as we did, both - not recommended for the faint of
    heart!!!) of these events, please contact me or one of the other past
    organizers for advice before you think about formally approaching the
    USA, Inc. or the IUF, Inc."

    Tom Daniels
    Chairman of the Local Organizing Committee
    and Event Director
    NAUCC 2002 and UNICON 11

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  12. David_Stone said:

    Ooh! I just remembered another achievement of the NAUCC 2006 that I'd
    like to replicate in future: Their website.

    They had a wonderful, updated site that listed not only the schedule of
    events but also the LOCATION of those events and DIRECTIONS to those
    locations! Great job!!!

    One suggestion: Since some of us are using GPSs to help navigate to
    these locations, let's make sure to have GPS-friendly addresses for
    each event. There were a few times last week when I had to navigate on
    my own without the help of a map or any innate sense of direction.

    Thanks for the big compliment on the website. One of the things we had
    to deal with was the fact that the address for St. George's School is
    not on the online maps (MapQuest, Google maps, etc). If anything, the
    maps identify the location as being in a nearby neighborhood. I can
    only guess that your GPS also would not show St. George's. Also, Wolf
    River Blvd where Houston High School is located has recently been
    renamed. The online maps show the old name.

    I am aware of some issues that caused problems. The address for Overton
    Park. The official address is on Poplar Avenue but the location for the
    marathon was on the East Parkway North side of the park and you cannot
    drive inside the park from the Poplar side to the East Parkway North
    side. Also, someone was GPS navigating to the Saturday morning Coker
    ride instead of following our writen directions. An address for the
    church would have been helpful there.

    Live and learn. You try to get the details right and something always
    falls through the cracks.

    It was an adventure.

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  13. Wheel Rider said:

    ...One of the things we had to deal with was the fact that the address
    for St. George's School is not on the online maps (MapQuest, Google
    maps, etc). If anything, the maps identify the location as being in a
    nearby neighborhood. I can only guess that your GPS also would not show
    St. George's. Also, Wolf River Blvd where Houston High School is
    located has recently been renamed. The online maps show the old name.

    For some reason, my GPS showed WRB but none of the roads that veered off
    of it.

    Quoted message said:

    I am aware of some issues that caused problems. The address for Overton
    Park. The official address is on Poplar Avenue but the location for the
    marathon was on the East Parkway North side of the park and you cannot
    drive inside the park from the Poplar side to the East Parkway North
    side. Also, someone was GPS navigating to the Saturday morning Coker
    ride instead of following our writen directions. An address for the
    church would have been helpful there....

    Yeah, that address would have been very helpful.

    Here is what I'd suggest: If in future NAUCCs we have a similar issue
    with newly built roads, we just need to put up signs or other road
    markers at those points nearby (where the GPSs will still get most of
    us to). Alternatively, we can direct people to address A and then tell
    them how to go from A to B (where B is on the new, un-GPS-able road).
    There are always solutions -- we just need to make creative adjustments
    ahead of time so that we can meet the challenges head-on.

    One more acknowlegment: That Memphis NAUCC booklet was EXCELLENT! It
    had addresses, schedules, other info, and a lot more. I'd strongly urge
    all clubs to follow that idea.

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  14. David_Stone said:

    Here is what I'd suggest: If in future NAUCCs we have a similar issue
    with newly built roads, we just need to put up signs or other road
    markers at those points nearby (where the GPSs will still get most of
    us to). Alternatively, we can direct people to address A and then tell
    them how to go from A to B (where B is on the new, un-GPS-able road).
    There are always solutions -- we just need to make creative adjustments
    ahead of time so that we can meet the challenges head-on.

    Can be done a lot simpler and GPS-friendly:

    Just state the coordinates of the location (B).

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  15. Klaas, I was referring to those rare (I hope) times when the host wants
    to put down the address of a road that's not yet in the GPS database.
    This happened at least once or maybe twice in Memphis.

    Do all GPSs take coordinates? I don't think mine does. Wouldn't that be
    silly? I'd better check. If they do, then your solution is best.

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  16. We posted street addresses, GPS coordinates, altitudes and relative
    driving distances of all venues (and many hotels) from each other on
    the UNICON 11 / NAUCC 2002 Web site in 2002. I created the data using
    hand-held GPS unit plugged into a PDA (for the coordinates, altitudes
    and most of the driving distances) and mapping software (for some of
    the hotel driving distances).As I recall, two people mentioned using
    the data in their car-based GPS units.

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  17. Accolades for the NAUCC 2006 webpage go to Richard Wertz. And those for
    the program go to Richard Wertz and Kevin Thorn.

    Dag-nabbit. I'm the MUCster with a GPS unit. I could've easily gotten
    accurate data by going to each venue and punching a couple of buttons.
    We then could've posted those coordinates in the program, along with
    the how to instructions. I just never thought about it. Dang. 😠
    That would've been good. I think its a great idea. Even if the new
    roads didn't show up on the little map, you'd know you were in the
    vicinity.

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  18. Mud,

    Don't worry about it - you wouldn't have known about the GPS stuff
    unless you asked me (a certified geek - you ought to see my home
    office), and you had no reason to ask.

    The NAUCC 2002 / UNICON 11 Web site got taken down right after the
    events by the person who donated the hosting service. I think I have
    the only copy on my laptop. The NAUCC 2004 site is still up, but it
    doesn't have GPS data on the venue pages because the sushi for brains
    former USA President forgot to pack his hand held GPS unit on his
    pre-event scouting trip to Salt Lake City.

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  19. tadaniels said:

    The NAUCC 2002 / UNICON 11 Web site got taken down right after the
    events by the person who donated the hosting service. I think I have
    the only copy on my laptop. The NAUCC 2004 site is still up, but it
    doesn't have GPS data on the venue pages

    When will the results (places, times, distances, how many people, etc.)
    be posted for NAUCC 2006? Will they be on the USA website?

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  20. forrestunifreak said:

    When will the results (places, times, distances, how many people, etc.)
    be posted for NAUCC 2006? Will they be on the USA website?

    Thanks.

    I believe that Gilby is the one responsible for updating that site. He
    could probably answer your question.

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