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  1. http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/sugar.html

    Pain after ingesting sugar-rich foods make many suspect yeast problems. But
    is it that simple?

    In brief, sugar (in all its forms) does two things which could account for
    the pain people frequently experience after ingesting it:

    It affects the immune system for a short time (few hours)

    It causes a spurt of uric acid to be excreted via the
    kidneys/bladder/prostatic urethra, so burning the inflamed tissues there.

    Here is the evidence:

    Bernstein, J., et al, Depression of lymphocyte transformation following oral
    glucose ingestion, Am. J. Clin. Nutr., 30:613, 1977

    Sanchez, A., et al, Role of sugars in human neutrophilic phagocytosis, Am.
    J. Clin. Nutr., 26:180, 1973.

    These studies show that in adults, cell mediated immunity is significantly
    depressed after sugar ingestion (75 grams). A 100g portion of sugar can
    significantly reduce the capacity of white blood cells to engulf bacteria.
    Maximum immune suppression occurs one to two hours after ingestion and
    remains suppressed for up to five hours after feeding. Although the studies
    concentrate on phagocytosis, it is not hard to see how any suppression of
    parts of the immune system could affect inflammatory responses going on,
    even if there are no fungi or bacteria.

    To prove that sugar consumption causes a burst of uric acid production:

    Reiser S et al. Blood lipids, lipoproteins, apoproteins, and uric acid in
    men fed diets containing fructose or high-amylose cornstarch. The American
    Journal of Clinical Nutrition 1989;49:832-39

    ....which contains the following paragraph on uric acid, inter alia:

    "Uric acid -- The feeding of sucrose, at levels approximating that currently
    consumed in this country, as compared with starch has been shown to increase
    fasting uric acid levels in hyperinsulinemic subjects and in patients with
    NIDDM. The fructose moiety of sucrose appears to be specifically responsible
    for these increases. These results are consistent with the findings in the
    present study in which fructose as compared with starch feeding produced
    both a chronic (fasting level) and acute (response levels) increase in uric
    acid levels. The increase in uric acid caused by fructose-containing
    carbohydrates is not only a risk factor associated with heart disease but
    also appears to be associated with short-term and adaptive changes in
    metabolism consistent with decreased hepatic levels of adenosine
    triphosphate (ATP), which could potentially affect the myriad of metabolic
    processes dependent on ATP."

    More evidence:

    Some effects, in man, of varying the load of glucose, sucrose, fructose, or
    sorbitol and various metabolites in blood I. Macdonald, M.D., D.Sc., Anne
    Keyser, and Deborah Pacy, B.Sc. Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 31: 1305- 1311, 1978.

    ABSTRACT: Tolerance tests using glucose, sucrose, fructose, or sorbitol each
    at 4 dose levels, were carried out in nine healthy young men and during the
    90 min after ingestion the plasma serum concentrations of glucose, insulin,
    fructose, triglyceride, glycerol, uric acid, lactate, and pyruvate were
    estimated. It was confirmed that serum glucose levels are unaffected by the
    amount of glucose given. Little fructose seems to be converted to glucose
    judging by the serum fructose levels following sucrose and fructose, and by
    the small insulin response to oral fructose. The insulin response to a
    sucrose meal is half of that after an equivalent amount of glucose. The fall
    in serum triglyceride seen after carbohydrate meals is not related to
    insulin. Only glucose is not associated with a rise in serum uric acid,
    lactate, and pyruvate concentrations after ingestion.

    Quotes from study:

    "Uric Acid -- There was a significant increase in the concentration of uric
    acid at each level of fructose intake, but it did not appear to be dose
    related. At three dose levels of sucrose there was a significant mean
    increase in uric acid whereas after glucose and sorbitol no significant
    change occurred .... The increase in uric acid levels after sucrose and
    fructose ingestion and the absence of such an increase after glucose
    ingestion supports the view that fructose causes depletion of hepatic
    adenine nucleotides and the purine component of these appears as uric acid
    and in fact there is a significant correlation between the increase in serum
    fructose and uric acid concentrations."

    {FYI: each 1g fructose/kg bodyweight gave a 0.6mg/100ml increase in uric
    acid}

  2. "C.Health" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/sugar.html

    Pain after ingesting sugar-rich foods make many suspect yeast problems.


    But

    Quoted message said:

    is it that simple?

    Who said there is pain after ingesting sugar-rich foods?

    Quoted message said:


    In brief, sugar (in all its forms) does two things which could account for
    the pain people frequently experience after ingesting it:

    It affects the immune system for a short time (few hours)

    In the studies below you show cellular immunity as decreased or as
    inflammation is decreased. It's like giving aspirin to decrease pain and
    inflammation. The increase in certain cytokines can result in pain in
    certain CPPS patients and not a decrease.
    One of the most popular OTC supplements are anti-nflammatories like
    quercetin the main ingredient in ProstaQ. These decrease inflammation which
    relieves pain and not increase pain.

    Quoted message said:


    It causes a spurt of uric acid to be excreted via the
    kidneys/bladder/prostatic urethra, so burning the inflamed tissues there.

    Uric acid is normally excreted and the normal urine pH is highly acidic in
    the 5-6 range. That is normal and nobody is burning down there everytime
    they pee.

    I think you need to go back to the drawing boards on that.

    CPPS involves pain coming from the nuts and not pain from peeing dude.

  3. "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "C.Health" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/sugar.html

    Pain after ingesting sugar-rich foods make many suspect yeast problems.


    But

    Quoted message said:

    is it that simple?

    Who said there is pain after ingesting sugar-rich foods?

    Quoted message said:


    In brief, sugar (in all its forms) does two things which could account


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the pain people frequently experience after ingesting it:

    It affects the immune system for a short time (few hours)

    In the studies below you show cellular immunity as decreased or as
    inflammation is decreased. It's like giving aspirin to decrease pain and
    inflammation. The increase in certain cytokines can result in pain in
    certain CPPS patients and not a decrease.
    One of the most popular OTC supplements are anti-nflammatories like
    quercetin the main ingredient in ProstaQ. These decrease inflammation


    which

    Quoted message said:

    relieves pain and not increase pain.

    Quoted message said:


    It causes a spurt of uric acid to be excreted via the
    kidneys/bladder/prostatic urethra, so burning the inflamed tissues


    there.

    Quoted message said:


    Uric acid is normally excreted and the normal urine pH is highly acidic in
    the 5-6 range. That is normal and nobody is burning down there everytime
    they pee.

    I think you need to go back to the drawing boards on that.

    CPPS involves pain coming from the nuts and not pain from peeing dude.

    The article is referring to people with prostatitis and CPPS that experience
    pain after ingesting large amounts of different sugars. It's not referring
    to pain from urinating.

    Chronic prostatitis/chronic pelvic pain syndrome (CP/CPPS) can be described
    as persistent relapsing pain or discomfort in any of the following areas:

    Urethra
    Between rectum and testicles (perineum)
    Tip of the penis (not related to urination)
    Below the waist, in your pubic or bladder area
    Testicles

    Reiser S et al. Blood lipids, lipoproteins, apoproteins, and uric acid in
    men fed diets containing fructose or high-amylose cornstarch. The American
    Journal of Clinical Nutrition 1989;49:832-39

    ....which contains the following paragraph on uric acid, inter alia:

    "Uric acid -- The feeding of sucrose, at levels approximating that currently
    consumed in this country, as compared with starch has been shown to increase
    fasting uric acid levels in hyperinsulinemic subjects and in patients with
    NIDDM. The fructose moiety of sucrose appears to be specifically responsible
    for these increases. These results are consistent with the findings in the
    present study in which fructose as compared with starch feeding produced
    both a chronic (fasting level) and acute (response levels) increase in uric
    acid levels. The increase in uric acid caused by fructose-containing
    carbohydrates is not only a risk factor associated with heart disease but
    also appears to be associated with short-term and adaptive changes in
    metabolism consistent with decreased hepatic levels of adenosine
    triphosphate (ATP), which could potentially affect the myriad of metabolic
    processes dependent on ATP."

  4. "C.Health" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "C.Health" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/sugar.html

    Pain after ingesting sugar-rich foods make many suspect yeast


    problems.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But

    Quoted message said:

    is it that simple?

    Who said there is pain after ingesting sugar-rich foods?

    Quoted message said:


    In brief, sugar (in all its forms) does two things which could account


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the pain people frequently experience after ingesting it:

    It affects the immune system for a short time (few hours)

    In the studies below you show cellular immunity as decreased or as
    inflammation is decreased. It's like giving aspirin to decrease pain and
    inflammation. The increase in certain cytokines can result in pain in
    certain CPPS patients and not a decrease.
    One of the most popular OTC supplements are anti-nflammatories like
    quercetin the main ingredient in ProstaQ. These decrease inflammation


    which

    Quoted message said:

    relieves pain and not increase pain.

    Quoted message said:


    It causes a spurt of uric acid to be excreted via the
    kidneys/bladder/prostatic urethra, so burning the inflamed tissues


    there.

    Quoted message said:


    Uric acid is normally excreted and the normal urine pH is highly acidic


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the 5-6 range. That is normal and nobody is burning down there everytime
    they pee.

    I think you need to go back to the drawing boards on that.

    CPPS involves pain coming from the nuts and not pain from peeing dude.

    The article is referring to people with prostatitis and CPPS that


    experience

    Quoted message said:

    pain after ingesting large amounts of different sugars. It's not referring
    to pain from urinating.

    I would suggest you post this to Sci Med Prostatitis and let them educate
    you on the present treatment options after they have a good laugh.

    Quoted message said:


    Chronic prostatitis/chronic pelvic pain syndrome (CP/CPPS) can be


    described

    Quoted message said:

    as persistent relapsing pain or discomfort in any of the following areas:

    Urethra
    Between rectum and testicles (perineum)
    Tip of the penis (not related to urination)
    Below the waist, in your pubic or bladder area
    Testicles

    I would suggest you talk to people who have the condition and some of the
    foods that they say aggravate the condition.
    Most of the food source of uric acid as any person with gout can tell you is
    animal meat purine.
    There is no evidence that uric acid reducers can alleviate the pain of CPPS.
    If there was every person with CPPS would be on ant-gout medicine.

    I would suggest you update your education involving CPPS.

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    "C.Health" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "C.Health" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/sugar.html
    >
    > Pain after ingesting sugar-rich foods make many suspect yeast


    problems.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But
    > is it that simple?

    Who said there is pain after ingesting sugar-rich foods?

    >
    > In brief, sugar (in all its forms) does two things which could


    account

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for

    Quoted message said:

    > the pain people frequently experience after ingesting it:
    >
    > It affects the immune system for a short time (few hours)

    In the studies below you show cellular immunity as decreased or as
    inflammation is decreased. It's like giving aspirin to decrease pain


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    inflammation. The increase in certain cytokines can result in pain in
    certain CPPS patients and not a decrease.
    One of the most popular OTC supplements are anti-nflammatories like
    quercetin the main ingredient in ProstaQ. These decrease inflammation


    which

    Quoted message said:

    relieves pain and not increase pain.

    >
    > It causes a spurt of uric acid to be excreted via the
    > kidneys/bladder/prostatic urethra, so burning the inflamed tissues


    there.

    Quoted message said:


    Uric acid is normally excreted and the normal urine pH is highly


    acidic

    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the 5-6 range. That is normal and nobody is burning down there


    everytime

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they pee.

    I think you need to go back to the drawing boards on that.

    CPPS involves pain coming from the nuts and not pain from peeing dude.

    The article is referring to people with prostatitis and CPPS that


    experience

    Quoted message said:

    pain after ingesting large amounts of different sugars. It's not


    referring

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to pain from urinating.

    I would suggest you post this to Sci Med Prostatitis and let them educate
    you on the present treatment options after they have a good laugh.

    Quoted message said:


    Chronic prostatitis/chronic pelvic pain syndrome (CP/CPPS) can be


    described

    Quoted message said:

    as persistent relapsing pain or discomfort in any of the following


    areas:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Urethra
    Between rectum and testicles (perineum)
    Tip of the penis (not related to urination)
    Below the waist, in your pubic or bladder area
    Testicles

    I would suggest you talk to people who have the condition and some of the
    foods that they say aggravate the condition.
    Most of the food source of uric acid as any person with gout can tell you


    is

    Quoted message said:

    animal meat purine.
    There is no evidence that uric acid reducers can alleviate the pain of


    CPPS.

    Quoted message said:

    If there was every person with CPPS would be on ant-gout medicine.

    I would suggest you update your education involving CPPS.


    The article is about sugar's effect on the immune system and sugar's effect
    on uric acid levels. It is not about other forms of uric acid elevation
    through the ingestion of excessive protein or foods high in purines. It is
    basically about the effect of sugar on the body. You're going off on
    tangents. I'm making a point about sugar, it just happened to be mentioned
    on a website dealing with CPPS and prostatitis. I'm sorry if you suffer from
    CPPS or other health disorders.

  6. "C.Health" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I would suggest you update your education involving CPPS.


    The article is about sugar's effect on the immune system and sugar's


    effect

    Quoted message said:

    on uric acid levels. It is not about other forms of uric acid elevation
    through the ingestion of excessive protein or foods high in purines. It is
    basically about the effect of sugar on the body. You're going off on
    tangents. I'm making a point about sugar, it just happened to be mentioned
    on a website dealing with CPPS and prostatitis. I'm sorry if you suffer


    from

    Quoted message said:

    CPPS or other health disorders.

    Try reading the original post again and see if I am the one off on a
    tangent.

    It is off on the inflammation part and on the uric acid part. They or you
    try to take unrelated studies and then try to fit everything together. It
    doesn't fit together.

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