Sturdy luggage rack?

http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FREXP

This is the strongest one I've seen. Jandd Expedition. Is this what you had?

"B.B." wrote: (clip) I'll be carrying a bag of tools weighing anywhere from
30 to 50 pounds over crappy roads and a set of train tracks.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't see how anyone can specify that a rack will be able to carry a
certain load without knowing the G-forces involved. If you are going over
crappy roads, the actual shock loads could reach--what? 100 lb, 150 lb? It
could be anybody's guess.

I assume you don't have rear suspension--that would help. Or, you could
carry a portion of your tool set in a back pack. Your knees can do a
wonderful job of absorbing shock.

B.B. said:

When I picked up my mirror I also got a rack so I could carry around
my tools. Anyway, rack was marked as capable of 50 pounds or 25
kilograms (I suppose you're allowed to load it up slightly more if you
measure with metric units) and it failed after three days, less than 50
miles, with only about 40 pounds on it.
So, where can I get a rack on my bike that's actually worth the
money? I'll be carrying a bag of tools weighing anywhere from 30 to 50
pounds over crappy roads and a set of train tracks.

If you are going to carry 50 pounds, you should consider getting a front
rack as well. 50 pounds on the rear of a bike will seriously mess up the
handling.

Per D. Sørensen

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:42:21 +0100, Per Daniel Sørensen

psoren@_RM_eudoramail.com said:

B.B. said:

When I picked up my mirror I also got a rack so I could carry around
my tools. Anyway, rack was marked as capable of 50 pounds or 25
kilograms (I suppose you're allowed to load it up slightly more if you
measure with metric units) and it failed after three days, less than 50
miles, with only about 40 pounds on it.
So, where can I get a rack on my bike that's actually worth the
money? I'll be carrying a bag of tools weighing anywhere from 30 to 50
pounds over crappy roads and a set of train tracks.

If you are going to carry 50 pounds, you should consider getting a front
rack as well. 50 pounds on the rear of a bike will seriously mess up the
handling.

other than the handling issue, if i needed to carry a LOT of
weight on the rack, and I didn't care how it looked, i would
just make my own out of aluminum. wouldn't look good,
but would hold any weight that the rear tire was capable
of carrying.

in fact, just yesterday i was fitting some scrap aluminum
pieces to the back of my bike. then i realized that
the total weight of the rack would be about 5 pounds
and it would look like h**ll, so i dropped the idea. when
i looked on the 'net to see some commercial examples,
i was quite surprised to see the low weight capacity.
....thehick

B.B. said:

When I picked up my mirror I also got a rack so I could carry around
my tools. Anyway, rack was marked as capable of 50 pounds or 25
kilograms (I suppose you're allowed to load it up slightly more if you
measure with metric units) and it failed after three days, less than 50
miles, with only about 40 pounds on it.
So, where can I get a rack on my bike that's actually worth the
money? I'll be carrying a bag of tools weighing anywhere from 30 to 50
pounds over crappy roads and a set of train tracks.

Look into Tubus racks. They use steel, not aluminum-

http://www.tubus.net/eng/index.php

And one tourist's answer-

http://www.bikechina.com/tb1.html

B.B. said:

When I picked up my mirror I also got a rack so I could carry around
my tools. Anyway, rack was marked as capable of 50 pounds or 25
kilograms (I suppose you're allowed to load it up slightly more if you
measure with metric units) and it failed after three days, less than 50
miles, with only about 40 pounds on it.
So, where can I get a rack on my bike that's actually worth the
money? I'll be carrying a bag of tools weighing anywhere from 30 to 50
pounds over crappy roads and a set of train tracks.

It would be interesting to know how exactly your rack failed?

Anyways, I really like Tubus racks.

http://www.tubus.net/eng/index.php

They are made of thin-walled steel tubing rather than aluminum. They
are quite sturdy. They look fly too. Their "Cargo" model, which I
have on my touring bike, weighs 630 grams and is rated for 40 kg. I
have carried a lot of weight on mine on occasion, enough that the
front wheel would rise up off the ground if I didn't hold it down.
There seemed to be no adverse effects.

B.B. said:

When I picked up my mirror I also got a rack so I could carry around
my tools. Anyway, rack was marked as capable of 50 pounds or 25
kilograms (I suppose you're allowed to load it up slightly more if you
measure with metric units) and it failed after three days, less than 50
miles, with only about 40 pounds on it.
So, where can I get a rack on my bike that's actually worth the
money? I'll be carrying a bag of tools weighing anywhere from 30 to 50
pounds over crappy roads and a set of train tracks.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net
http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

Tubus or Bruce Gordon in tubular steel.
Old Man Mountain makes some nice aluminum ones.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Jim Smith said:

B.B. said:

When I picked up my mirror I also got a rack so I could carry around
my tools. Anyway, rack was marked as capable of 50 pounds or 25
kilograms (I suppose you're allowed to load it up slightly more if you
measure with metric units) and it failed after three days, less than 50
miles, with only about 40 pounds on it.
So, where can I get a rack on my bike that's actually worth the
money? I'll be carrying a bag of tools weighing anywhere from 30 to 50
pounds over crappy roads and a set of train tracks.

It would be interesting to know how exactly your rack failed?

Mine looked a lot like
http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FREXP but without that third
pair of supports at the rear. So I had about half the weight bearing
straight down on the front supports, and the other half at an angle,
trying to kink 'em at the welds. And that's what happened, I hit a
pothole, hear a rubbing, stopped, and saw that the rack had folded just
below the welds.
It probably would have held just fine if the other rails attached
down at the screw hole rather than above.

Quoted message said:

Anyways, I really like Tubus racks.

http://www.tubus.net/eng/index.php

They are made of thin-walled steel tubing rather than aluminum. They
are quite sturdy. They look fly too. Their "Cargo" model, which I
have on my touring bike, weighs 630 grams and is rated for 40 kg. I
have carried a lot of weight on mine on occasion, enough that the
front wheel would rise up off the ground if I didn't hold it down.
There seemed to be no adverse effects.

Nice. Looks like a far stronger design, too.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net
http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Leo Lichtman said:

"B.B." wrote: (clip) I'll be carrying a bag of tools weighing anywhere from
30 to 50 pounds over crappy roads and a set of train tracks.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't see how anyone can specify that a rack will be able to carry a
certain load without knowing the G-forces involved. If you are going over
crappy roads, the actual shock loads could reach--what? 100 lb, 150 lb? It
could be anybody's guess.

I assume you don't have rear suspension--that would help. Or, you could
carry a portion of your tool set in a back pack. Your knees can do a
wonderful job of absorbing shock.

I already have another 30 in a backpack. I'm going to and from tech
school and I have to bring quite a few tools and some books. Tools get
heavy in a big hurry and cost enough I'm not going to leave them at the
school.
I think I'll build my own rack if I can get the materials cheaply.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net
http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

"B.B." wrote: I already have another 30 in a backpack. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think you are a good candidate for a trailer. If money is tight, consider
building one. I did it once, using a large plastic storage container, some
conduit, and a junker bike with 20" wheels. You need to do a little
welding, though. Is that available at your school?

"B.B." wrote ...

Quoted message said:

When I picked up my mirror I also got a rack so I could carry around
my tools. Anyway, rack was marked as capable of 50 pounds or 25
kilograms (I suppose you're allowed to load it up slightly more if you
measure with metric units) and it failed after three days, less than 50
miles, with only about 40 pounds on it.
So, where can I get a rack on my bike that's actually worth the
money? I'll be carrying a bag of tools weighing anywhere from 30 to 50
pounds over crappy roads and a set of train tracks.

--
B.B.

I think a steel rack would withstand the punishment you're dishing out far
better than any aluminum rack. Most cycle tourists would use front and rear
racks for the size loads you describe, for better weight
distribution/handling. Nitto makes beautiful steel racks, as do the
companies that other posters have mentioned.

A trailer could be a much more practical solution for your situation. Are
you able to make one yourself?
--
mark

indestructabbbbleinstructionsrackkorean
plywood sides to the dropout eyes use 6mm grade 12 with nut spacers and
fender washers on the ply. nylock inboard side. loctite the outers with
blue
use ingenuity to attach to top plyn laid over and ingenuopusly bolted
to alum rack
mine's long enough to stand the bike upright and lean against or tie
up/against tree
and remove either wheel.
paint
often in portland

B.B. said:

When I picked up my mirror I also got a rack so I could carry around
my tools. Anyway, rack was marked as capable of 50 pounds or 25
kilograms (I suppose you're allowed to load it up slightly more if

you

Quoted message said:

measure with metric units) and it failed after three days, less than

50

Quoted message said:

miles, with only about 40 pounds on it.
So, where can I get a rack on my bike that's actually worth the
money? I'll be carrying a bag of tools weighing anywhere from 30 to

50

Quoted message said:

pounds over crappy roads and a set of train tracks.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net

http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/

Blackburn Expedition. Rated to handle the child seats that go on rear
racks. Been working for loaded touring long before the companies
recommended by the other people even existed. Three struts in the
back. Solid 3/8" aluminum rod. No hollow tubing. And only $40 at
Nashbar.

http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=&subcategory=&brand=1110&sku=13179&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=

B.B. said:

So, where can I get a rack on my bike that's actually worth the
money? I'll be carrying a bag of tools weighing anywhere from 30 to 50
pounds over crappy roads and a set of train tracks.

Bruce Gordon:
http://www.bgcycles.com/racks.html

G
--
Gregory S. Sutter "How do I read this file?"
[email hidden] "You uudecode it."
http://zer0.org/~gsutter/ "I I I decode it?"

to the list:

You might want to consider having a framebuilder make up a set of
racks. Many 'builders will do that. I make them myself, on occasion.

It is easy to build a set of racks that will carry 100-150 pounds
reliably out of cro moly tubing. I use a mix of 5/16" and 3/8" by .035
aircraft grade tubing.

For a little more security, have the racks brazed or welded to your
frame.

That's my 2 cents.

jn

"Thursday"

Gregory Sutter said:

On 2005-03-26, B.B.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So, where can I get a rack on my bike that's actually worth the
money? I'll be carrying a bag of tools weighing anywhere from 30

to 50

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

pounds over crappy roads and a set of train tracks.

Bruce Gordon:
http://www.bgcycles.com/racks.html

G
--
Gregory S. Sutter "How do I read this file?"
[email hidden] "You uudecode it."
http://zer0.org/~gsutter/ "I I I decode it?"

to the list:

You might want to consider having a framebuilder make up a set of
racks. Many 'builders will do that. I make them myself, on occasion.

It is easy to build a set of racks that will carry 100-150 pounds
reliably out of cro moly tubing. I use a mix of 5/16" and 3/8" by .035
aircraft grade tubing.

For a little more security, have the racks brazed or welded to your
frame.

That's my 2 cents.

jn

"Thursday"

Gregory Sutter said:

On 2005-03-26, B.B.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So, where can I get a rack on my bike that's actually worth the
money? I'll be carrying a bag of tools weighing anywhere from 30

to 50

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

pounds over crappy roads and a set of train tracks.

Bruce Gordon:
http://www.bgcycles.com/racks.html

G
--
Gregory S. Sutter "How do I read this file?"
[email hidden] "You uudecode it."
http://zer0.org/~gsutter/ "I I I decode it?"