STUPID UNNECESSARY VEHICLES

On 3 Apr 2003 13:48:20 -0800, [email hidden] (Don Quijote) wrote:

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SUV [censored], already. Or keep it to an automobile forum.

With the war threads, we have more than enough off-topic traffic already.

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Can we assume you do not use any gasoline?

mike hunt

Don Quijote said:

STUPID UNNECESSARY VEHICLES

This is an interview with Brutus Maximus, who drives an SUV...

Reporter: What do you need that for?

Brutus: I wanna be noticed...

Reporter: Do you realize that you threaten the environment, others on the road as well as make
wars for oil necessary?

Brutus: Listen, I pay taxes so I don't care. Besides the war makes a nice TV show. It goes well
with beer...

Reporter: What do you think of a place like Holland where people get around by bicycle?

Brutus: I take my bicycles in the back of my SUV, so what's the point?

Reporter: What do you do with your spare time?

Brutus: I drive the SUV...

Reporter: Do you ever read?

Brutus: Nah, I don't like to waste my time...

Reporter: What do you think of the future of the world?

Brutus: I never think about it...

Reporter: Why do you fly an oversized American flag on your vehicle?

Brutus: It makes me feel like a patriot...

Reporter: Do you know that the whole world opposes the war?

Brutus: Remember, they are a bunch of anti-Americans losers...

Reporter: Any message for the troops?

Brutus: Yeah, I want more shots of the Hummers hunting the enemy. Hit 'em hard!God Bless
America!!!

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Can we assume you do not use any gasoline?

mike hunt

Don't be a fool. Everyone "uses" gasoline. What's at issue is the gross squandering of resources.

George F. Johnson A veteran for peace

You got it wrong. They're not all that unecessary, to anyone, at all times. But they are Stupid
Urban Vehicles.

"Don Quijote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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STUPID UNNECESSARY VEHICLES

This is an interview with Brutus Maximus, who drives an SUV...

Reporter: What do you need that for?

Brutus: I wanna be noticed...

Reporter: Do you realize that you threaten the environment, others on the road as well as make
wars for oil necessary?

Brutus: Listen, I pay taxes so I don't care. Besides the war makes a nice TV show. It goes well
with beer...

Reporter: What do you think of a place like Holland where people get around by bicycle?

Brutus: I take my bicycles in the back of my SUV, so what's the point?

Reporter: What do you do with your spare time?

Brutus: I drive the SUV...

Reporter: Do you ever read?

Brutus: Nah, I don't like to waste my time...

Reporter: What do you think of the future of the world?

Brutus: I never think about it...

Reporter: Why do you fly an oversized American flag on your vehicle?

Brutus: It makes me feel like a patriot...

Reporter: Do you know that the whole world opposes the war?

Brutus: Remember, they are a bunch of anti-Americans losers...

Reporter: Any message for the troops?

Brutus: Yeah, I want more shots of the Hummers hunting the enemy. Hit 'em hard!God Bless
America!!!

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Horse hockey.

I drive an SUV. It's a Ford Explorer bought in 1993.

No, I don't do much offroading in it -- although I did back when I first bought it and was living in
the mountains. I've moved cross-country 3 times since then, with this thing loaded to the gills.

I keep it tuned, I keep the tires properly inflated, I stick close to speed limits, and because I
bought it in California, it has the standard California emissions package.

It gets 22 mpg. Is that great? Nope, but it's BETTER gas mileage than probably 50% of the cars on
road right now. Many non-SUV domestic autos get less than that. So do most *older* cars and most
large sedans and towncars.

Not all SUVs are gas-suckers the way they're portrayed to be, and as an SUV owner, I resent being
tarred with the same brush that all SUV owners are. It's as inaccurate a prejudice as any other.
While everyone's crowing about how awful SUVs (and their owners) are, there are far more inefficient
vehicles driving around that, because they look like traditional passenger cars, receive no flack
whatsoever.

--Josh

(Don Quijote) said:

STUPID UNNECESSARY VEHICLES

This is an interview with Brutus Maximus, who drives an SUV...

Reporter: What do you need that for?

Brutus: I wanna be noticed...

Reporter: Do you realize that you threaten the environment, others on the road as well as make wars
for oil necessary?

Brutus: Listen, I pay taxes so I don't care. Besides the war makes a nice TV show. It goes well
with beer...

Reporter: What do you think of a place like Holland where people get around by bicycle?

Brutus: I take my bicycles in the back of my SUV, so what's the point?

Reporter: What do you do with your spare time?

Brutus: I drive the SUV...

Reporter: Do you ever read?

Brutus: Nah, I don't like to waste my time...

Reporter: What do you think of the future of the world?

Brutus: I never think about it...

Reporter: Why do you fly an oversized American flag on your vehicle?

Brutus: It makes me feel like a patriot...

Reporter: Do you know that the whole world opposes the war?

Brutus: Remember, they are a bunch of anti-Americans losers...

Reporter: Any message for the troops?

Brutus: Yeah, I want more shots of the Hummers hunting the enemy. Hit 'em hard!God Bless America!!!

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It gets 22 mpg. Is that great? Nope, but it's BETTER gas mileage than probably 50% of the cars on
road right now.

If I only got 22mpg from a car I'd be appalled! I get about 50mpg from my current vehicle. Then
again, being in Europe, we've possibly got more emphasis on economical to run motors than on t'other
side of the pond.

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It gets 22 mpg. Is that great? Nope, but it's BETTER gas mileage than probably 50% of the cars on
road right now. Many non-SUV domestic autos get less than that. So do most *older* cars and most
large sedans and towncars.

Actually the CAFE fuel mileage for "cars" is about 27mpg.

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While everyone's crowing about how awful SUVs (and their owners) are, there are far more
inefficient vehicles driving around that, because they look like traditional passenger cars,
receive no flack whatsoever.

Traditional cars on the average get better mileage and pollute less. Bicycles of course are
even better.

Apparently until recently SUVs were allowed to pollute about 3 times as much as a standard car. A
silly situation.

The right tool for the job. If one really needs a large PU truck or SUV to do what they need to do,
then I say go for it.

But the bottom line is that SUVs are "loophole" machines, they slip through pollution, economy and
safety loopholes that ought to be plugged.

jon isaacs

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It gets 22 mpg. Is that great? Nope, but it's BETTER gas mileage than probably 50% of the cars on
road right now.

If I only got 22mpg from a car I'd be appalled! I get about 50mpg from my current vehicle. Then
again, being in Europe, we've possibly got more

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on economical to run motors than on t'other side of the pond.

Do you really? In that upright boxy thing? Do you actually measure? Remember your gallon is
about 20% more.

I get less than that but what do you expect doing 85mph with a tandem on the roof.

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It gets 22 mpg. Is that great? Nope, but it's BETTER gas mileage than probably 50% of the cars
on road right now.

If I only got 22mpg from a car I'd be appalled! I get about 50mpg from

my

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current vehicle. Then again, being in Europe, we've possibly got more

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on economical to run motors than on t'other side of the pond.

Do you really? In that upright boxy thing? Do you actually measure? Remember your gallon is about
20% more.

I get less than that but what do you expect doing 85mph with a tandem on

the

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roof.

... probably using any and every lane as passing lanes ...

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"W K"

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I get less than that but what do you expect doing 85mph with a tandem on

the

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roof.

... probably using any and every lane as passing lanes ...

What makes you say that? I wasn't in the passing lane as I was being passed on the whole.

Had I got an engine larger than 1300 cc I'd probably go faster, and perhaps get less than 40 mpg.

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It gets 22 mpg. Is that great? Nope, but it's BETTER gas mileage than probably 50% of the cars
on road right now.

If I only got 22mpg from a car I'd be appalled! I get about 50mpg from my current vehicle. Then
again, being in Europe, we've possibly got more

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on economical to run motors than on t'other side of the pond.

Do you really? In that upright boxy thing? Do you actually measure? Remember your gallon is about
20% more.

In my 1984 Escort Diesel, I was still getting a measured 55 mpg on the highway at 60 mph when it had
more than 100,000 miles. When it was new, it got around 58 mpg. Commuting back and forth to work
(only 12 mi each way, so it was seldom fully warmed up) I averaged between 40 and 45 mpg.

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it's morning".

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Isn't it strange that all the people that can afford to buy an SUV never seem to complain they are
unnecessary? Only those that can't afford one seem to think they are unnecessary. Let them vent if
it keeps them from going nuts, after all there is nothing they can do to stop people from buying
what they want. LOL

mike hunt

Robin Hubert said:

You got it wrong. They're not all that unecessary, to anyone, at all times. But they are Stupid
Urban Vehicles.

"Don Quijote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

STUPID UNNECESSARY VEHICLES

This is an interview with Brutus Maximus, who drives an SUV...

Reporter: What do you need that for?

Brutus: I wanna be noticed...

Reporter: Do you realize that you threaten the environment, others on the road as well as make
wars for oil necessary?

Brutus: Listen, I pay taxes so I don't care. Besides the war makes a nice TV show. It goes well
with beer...

Reporter: What do you think of a place like Holland where people get around by bicycle?

Brutus: I take my bicycles in the back of my SUV, so what's the point?

Reporter: What do you do with your spare time?

Brutus: I drive the SUV...

Reporter: Do you ever read?

Brutus: Nah, I don't like to waste my time...

Reporter: What do you think of the future of the world?

Brutus: I never think about it...

Reporter: Why do you fly an oversized American flag on your vehicle?

Brutus: It makes me feel like a patriot...

Reporter: Do you know that the whole world opposes the war?

Brutus: Remember, they are a bunch of anti-Americans losers...

Reporter: Any message for the troops?

Brutus: Yeah, I want more shots of the Hummers hunting the enemy. Hit 'em hard!God Bless
America!!!

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I can easily afford one. Instead, I bought a Saab 9-3 Viggen. I still think SUVs are idiotic for the
vast majority of people (and I own an older Jeep SUV).

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Bob ctviggen at rcn dot com

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Isn't it strange that all the people that can afford to buy an SUV never seem to complain they are
unnecessary? Only those that can't afford one seem to think they are unnecessary. Let them vent if
it keeps them from going nuts, after all there is nothing they can do to stop people from buying
what they want. LOL

mike hunt

Robin Hubert said:

You got it wrong. They're not all that unecessary, to anyone, at all

times.

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But they are Stupid Urban Vehicles.

"Don Quijote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

STUPID UNNECESSARY VEHICLES

This is an interview with Brutus Maximus, who drives an SUV...

Reporter: What do you need that for?

Brutus: I wanna be noticed...

Reporter: Do you realize that you threaten the environment, others on the road as well as make
wars for oil necessary?

Brutus: Listen, I pay taxes so I don't care. Besides the war makes a nice TV show. It goes
well with beer...

Reporter: What do you think of a place like Holland where people get around by bicycle?

Brutus: I take my bicycles in the back of my SUV, so what's the point?

Reporter: What do you do with your spare time?

Brutus: I drive the SUV...

Reporter: Do you ever read?

Brutus: Nah, I don't like to waste my time...

Reporter: What do you think of the future of the world?

Brutus: I never think about it...

Reporter: Why do you fly an oversized American flag on your vehicle?

Brutus: It makes me feel like a patriot...

Reporter: Do you know that the whole world opposes the war?

Brutus: Remember, they are a bunch of anti-Americans losers...

Reporter: Any message for the troops?

Brutus: Yeah, I want more shots of the Hummers hunting the enemy. Hit 'em hard!God Bless
America!!!

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"Don Quijote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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STUPID UNNECESSARY VEHICLES

Well, um, I need one for towing my trailer, so how could they be unnecessary...no SUV means I can't
tow my trailer. Seems necessary to me!

Your entire post has me convinced you lack even a grade-school education.

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But the bottom line is that SUVs are "loophole" machines,

they slip through

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pollution, economy and safety loopholes that ought to be

plugged.

What's worse is the tax loophole which allows commercial truck depreciation schedules for
Lincoln Navigators and the like. For a business owner who needs a late model luxury car, it's
actually much cheaper to drive a $50k, 12mpg, oversized SUV, than a $35k, 25mpg luxury
automobile. This is perverse.

Matt O.

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I drive an SUV. It's a Ford Explorer bought in 1993.

No, I don't do much offroading in it -- although I did back when I first bought it and was
living in the mountains. I've moved cross-country 3 times since then, with this thing loaded to
the gills.

I keep it tuned, I keep the tires properly inflated, I stick close to speed limits, and because I
bought it in California, it has the standard California emissions package.

It gets 22 mpg. Is that great? Nope, but it's BETTER gas mileage than probably 50% of the cars on
road right now. Many non-SUV domestic autos get less than that. So do most *older* cars and most
large sedans and towncars.

Not all SUVs are gas-suckers the way they're portrayed to be, and as an SUV owner, I resent being
tarred with the same brush that all SUV owners are. It's as inaccurate a prejudice as any other.
While everyone's crowing about how awful SUVs (and their owners) are, there are far more
inefficient vehicles driving around that, because they look like traditional passenger cars,
receive no flack whatsoever.

--Josh

Exactly! This is exactly the point I have been trying to make in the past. I also keep my SUV tuned
and maintained very well. It is as efficient as it can be. I use my SUV for towing as well, so
until these folks can explain to me how I tow my trailer without my SUV, they don't have an
argument at all.

To add to your post, I own an SUV that gets slightly worse gas milage than you, however, I work at
home and don't drive my SUV anywhere near as much as the great majority of American's drive their
cars everyday. So, to "these people" like the original poster, I am a resource waster because I own
an SUV even though I use half the amount of gas the majority of so-called efficient car owners use
in a year. Makes perfect sense to me!

I think the anti-SUV extremist crowd needs to back to school and take the following courses over and
over again: Math, Statistics, and well you are at it, throw in Probability as well.

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Can we assume you do not use any gasoline?

The less the better... light motorcycle, three unused bicycles because of unsafe roads, and wishing
to own a kayak...

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"Robin Hubert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You got it wrong. They're not all that unecessary, to anyone, at all times. But they are Stupid
Urban Vehicles.

OK, I grant you that. But let me tell you 'genuine use' doesn't take the size of a Ford Excursion or
an automatic transmission for that matter.

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Frank Krygowski said:

I've towed our camping trailer to both coasts more than once. No SUV needed. Perhaps your trailer
is also bloated?

Perhaps your needs and wants differ from other people's.

DS