Stupid pedestrians

"Only the right lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I was so angry that some stupid walkathon was blocking the bike paths
recently. I wanted to ring my bell furiously at them but with weight
of numbers I was risking my life. Next time I see a bunch of
minorities walking the bikepaths I'll be ringing the bell like theres
no tomorrow🙂

I guess this is a dig at what car drivers do to cyclists. Just checking.

"Only the right lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I was so angry that some stupid walkathon was blocking the bike paths
recently. I wanted to ring my bell furiously at them but with weight
of numbers I was risking my life. Next time I see a bunch of
minorities walking the bikepaths I'll be ringing the bell like theres
no tomorrow🙂

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What city are you riding in? The legal status of the so called bike path
network in Canberra is multi use. Cyclists, walkers, dog exercisers, roller
bladers and others are entitled to use it. You have the option of being
co-operative with other path users and enjoying the experience (except when
the other users are obnoxious people of doubtful parentage), or being
agressive, raising your adrenalin levels and shortening your life.

Paths can be designated bike paths under the Australian Road Rules by the
required signage. When so defined, they are provided for cyclist use
exclusively and cyclists must not ride on the road if a bike path runs
alongside it.

John Dwyer.

What city are you riding in? The legal status of the so called bike path
network in Canberra is multi use. Cyclists, walkers, dog exercisers,
roller bladers and others are entitled to use it. You have the option of
being co-operative with other path users and enjoying the experience
(except when the other users are obnoxious people of doubtful
parentage), or being agressive, raising your adrenalin levels and
shortening your life.

Paths can be designated bike paths under the Australian Road Rules by
the required signage. When so defined, they are provided for cyclist use
exclusively and cyclists must not ride on the road if a bike path runs
alongside it.

John Dwyer.

Thanx for that John. I live in nsw where it is iILLEGAL for pedestrians
to walk along the cycle way. They can cross it but thats all. Roller
bladers can use the cycle ways, however. I did NOT see a section that
stated that a cyclist MUST use the cycle way where one is provided.
Could you, perhaps post me a link or direct me to the section whereby
this is stated?

Asside from that Cyclists in NSW have all the right to use the road that
a car driver has including some rights that other motorists do not have;
including the legal right to ride to the left of a line of parked cars.

Digressing a little, as i've just read the ABC Cyclist thread:

Recently someone tried to run me off the road, stating that his logic is
that i am legally obliged to keep to the extreme left. I enquired as to
the rules, and discovered that he was wrong. That i have all the legal
right to use the road. In fact, as a reglar cyclist I have discovered
that keeping to the extreme left can sometimes be more dangerous than
using the main body of road, and that was the situation i was in during
the above incident. I did not see a section in the rules that stated
that I must travel on the left, OR that a motorists is within their
legal rights to knock me off the bike deliberately and kill me, or to
threaten with menace using his car. And yet, this is how he behaved, and
this is what he indicated to me with his words. The fact that there are
people out there drving, whom act out their misguided thinking that they
can knock you off your bike, potentially kill you, without being legally
culpable, and who drive like that just because they think they can is
very very scary. Literally; bloody minded. Not to mention their lack of
awarness of the rights of other road users, especially cyclists.

Safe and defensive cycling to everyone.

Regards, Claire

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BicycleGirl said:

What city are you riding in? The legal status of the so called bike path
network in Canberra is multi use. Cyclists, walkers, dog exercisers,
roller bladers and others are entitled to use it. You have the option of
being co-operative with other path users and enjoying the experience
(except when the other users are obnoxious people of doubtful
parentage), or being agressive, raising your adrenalin levels and
shortening your life.
Paths can be designated bike paths under the Australian Road Rules by
the required signage. When so defined, they are provided for cyclist use
exclusively and cyclists must not ride on the road if a bike path runs
alongside it.
John Dwyer.
Thanx for that John. I live in nsw where it is iILLEGAL for pedestrians
to walk along the cycle way. They can cross it but thats all. Roller
bladers can use the cycle ways, however. I did NOT see a section that
stated that a cyclist MUST use the cycle way where one is provided.
Could you, perhaps post me a link or direct me to the section whereby
this is stated?
Asside from that Cyclists in NSW have all the right to use the road that
a car driver has including some rights that other motorists do not have;
including the legal right to ride to the left of a line of parked cars.
Digressing a little, as i've just read the ABC Cyclist thread:
Recently someone tried to run me off the road, stating that his logic is
that i am legally obliged to keep to the extreme left. I enquired as to
the rules, and discovered that he was wrong. That i have all the legal
right to use the road. In fact, as a reglar cyclist I have discovered
that keeping to the extreme left can sometimes be more dangerous than
using the main body of road, and that was the situation i was in during
the above incident. I did not see a section in the rules that stated
that I must travel on the left, OR that a motorists is within their
legal rights to knock me off the bike deliberately and kill me, or to
threaten with menace using his car. And yet, this is how he behaved, and
this is what he indicated to me with his words. The fact that there are
people out there drving, whom act out their misguided thinking that they
can knock you off your bike, potentially kill you, without being legally
culpable, and who drive like that just because they think they can is
very very scary. Literally; bloody minded. Not to mention their lack of
awarness of the rights of other road users, especially cyclists.
Safe and defensive cycling to everyone.
Regards, Claire

REPLY

Claire,

I generally agree with you. I ride a fair bit aand live in S W Sydney
and I also drive a car. I would have to say that [generally] drivers out
west are much less "bike aware" than say the city or eastern suburbs. My
philosophy is simple...cars are bigger and harder than bikes. They will
always win if things go wrong so I always assume that cars around me are
not going to do what they should, and allow for thier bad driving
habits, and if they do drive in a bike friendly manner it is a bonus. I
also try yo communicate with drivers so they know what I am about to do,
especially at intersections. I find this helps, and often drivers will
give me more room if they know exactly which way I am going.

By the way, have you riden along the L/pool to P/matta cycle way? If so,
what to do think of it?

Paul. 😄

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BicycleGirl said:

Thanx for that John. I live in nsw where it is iILLEGAL for pedestrians
to walk along the cycle way. They can cross it but thats all. Roller
bladers can use the cycle ways, however. I did NOT see a section that
stated that a cyclist MUST use the cycle way where one is provided.
Could you, perhaps post me a link or direct me to the section whereby
this is stated?

Which cycle ways are you talking about? The cycle paths that the RTA has
laid out are combination pedestrian/cycle paths.

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John Dwyer said:

Paths can be designated bike paths under the Australian Road Rules by the
required signage. When so defined, they are provided for cyclist use
exclusively and cyclists must not ride on the road if a bike path runs
alongside it.

John Dwyer.

If there is a designated bike lane on the road, you have to ride in it
(from Part 15 of the Australian Road Rules -
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/rulesregulations/downloads/p15.pdf), which says:

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247 Riding in a bicycle lane on a road

(1) The rider of a bicycle riding on a length of road with a bicycle
lane designed for bicycles travelling in the same direction as
the rider must ride in the bicycle lane unless it is impracticable
to do so.
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.... but I hadn't heard of anything requiring you to get off the road and
onto a separate path - can you provide a reference for this?

&roo

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BicycleGirl said:

What city are you riding in? The legal status of the so called bike

path

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network in Canberra is multi use. Cyclists, walkers, dog exercisers,
roller bladers and others are entitled to use it. You have the option

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

being co-operative with other path users and enjoying the experience
(except when the other users are obnoxious people of doubtful
parentage), or being agressive, raising your adrenalin levels and
shortening your life.
Paths can be designated bike paths under the Australian Road Rules by
the required signage. When so defined, they are provided for cyclist

use

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exclusively and cyclists must not ride on the road if a bike path runs
alongside it.
John Dwyer.
Thanx for that John. I live in nsw where it is iILLEGAL for

pedestrians

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to walk along the cycle way. They can cross it but thats all. Roller
bladers can use the cycle ways, however. I did NOT see a section that
stated that a cyclist MUST use the cycle way where one is provided.
Could you, perhaps post me a link or direct me to the section whereby
this is stated?
Asside from that Cyclists in NSW have all the right to use the road

that

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a car driver has including some rights that other motorists do not

have;

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including the legal right to ride to the left of a line of parked

cars.

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Digressing a little, as i've just read the ABC Cyclist thread:
Recently someone tried to run me off the road, stating that his logic

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that i am legally obliged to keep to the extreme left. I enquired as

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the rules, and discovered that he was wrong. That i have all the legal
right to use the road. In fact, as a reglar cyclist I have discovered
that keeping to the extreme left can sometimes be more dangerous than
using the main body of road, and that was the situation i was in

during

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the above incident. I did not see a section in the rules that stated
that I must travel on the left, OR that a motorists is within their
legal rights to knock me off the bike deliberately and kill me, or to
threaten with menace using his car. And yet, this is how he behaved,

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

this is what he indicated to me with his words. The fact that there

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

people out there drving, whom act out their misguided thinking that

they

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

can knock you off your bike, potentially kill you, without being

legally

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

culpable, and who drive like that just because they think they can is
very very scary. Literally; bloody minded. Not to mention their lack

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

awarness of the rights of other road users, especially cyclists.
Safe and defensive cycling to everyone.
Regards, Claire

REPLY

Claire,

I generally agree with you. I ride a fair bit aand live in S W Sydney
and I also drive a car. I would have to say that [generally] drivers out
west are much less "bike aware" than say the city or eastern suburbs. My
philosophy is simple...cars are bigger and harder than bikes. They will
always win if things go wrong so I always assume that cars around me are
not going to do what they should, and allow for thier bad driving
habits, and if they do drive in a bike friendly manner it is a bonus. I
also try yo communicate with drivers so they know what I am about to do,
especially at intersections. I find this helps, and often drivers will
give me more room if they know exactly which way I am going.

By the way, have you riden along the L/pool to P/matta cycle way? If so,
what to do think of it?

Paul. 😄

I did this ride a few weeks ago on a Saturday morning and had a nice ride

actually.
I found that you only really had to go on the road in a few sections to get
around the Rail Stns and then rejoin the path.

Pretty easy riding with only a few slight uphill areas. The only part I
wasn't enthusiastic about was having to cross over Villawood Road then ride
past all the cars parked on the pathway in front of car dealers.

All up, each way was only just under 17km's from L'pool Stn to the middle of
P'matta.

The path starting from the L'pool end was a bit hard to find at first, there
doesn't seem to be any indication or signs near the Stn to direct you to
it.(I had to ask at ABC bike shop)

The path seems to start on the western side of the L'pool Hospital, I only
found that out because i took it from the hume hwy and when got to Warwick
Farm stn, i took the wrong direction only to be heading back to L'pool.(plz
don't ever ask me to be a navigator lol ).

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Also, there is a part you have to ride through a reserve just out of L'pool
which is blocked by a gate(best to get off bike and walk it around a narrow
path around gate then continue riding.)

I think the gate is there to stop hoons for dumping stolen cars there and
burning them out.

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Give it a try!!

Regards

DJ

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I have often pondered over what an interesting creature the pedestrian
is. Why is it that people will drive a car on the left side of the
road their entire lives, but as soon as they exit said vehicle they
are too damn stupid to walk on the left side of a path to facilitate
traffic flow?

I'm considering this as the topic for a thesis.

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I have often pondered over what an interesting creature the pedestrian
is. Why is it that people will drive a car on the left side of the
road their entire lives, but as soon as they exit said vehicle they
are too damn stupid to walk on the left side of a path to facilitate
traffic flow?

I'm considering this as the topic for a thesis.

Make sure you include in your thesis the breed that travels in pairs on
shared pathways and upon hearing a bicycle bell will widen the gap
between and then just before you pass will swap sides. ARRRGGGGHHHH.

Cheers Ray

The law is as written. The key point here is "road with a bicycle lane".
If the lane is separate from the road, you are not required to use it, eg
Beach Road, Melbourne. If the lane is on the road (and not blocked by cars)
you must make use of it, eg St.Kilda Road Melbourne.

If we want to get picky, we can argue that we are only legally obliged to
use the lane if it was DESIGNED for bicycles, so the lanes painted on the
roads as an after thought do not have to be used as they were origianally
designed for ALL road transport (and most likely just with cars in mind).

Cheers
P

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John Dwyer said:

Paths can be designated bike paths under the Australian Road Rules by

the

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required signage. When so defined, they are provided for cyclist use
exclusively and cyclists must not ride on the road if a bike path runs
alongside it.

John Dwyer.

If there is a designated bike lane on the road, you have to ride in it
(from Part 15 of the Australian Road Rules -
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/rulesregulations/downloads/p15.pdf), which says:

````````
247 Riding in a bicycle lane on a road

(1) The rider of a bicycle riding on a length of road with a bicycle
lane designed for bicycles travelling in the same direction as
the rider must ride in the bicycle lane unless it is impracticable
to do so.
````````

... but I hadn't heard of anything requiring you to get off the road and
onto a separate path - can you provide a reference for this?

&roo

BicycleGirl said:

What city are you riding in? The legal status of the so called bike path
network in Canberra is multi use. Cyclists, walkers, dog exercisers,
roller bladers and others are entitled to use it. You have the option of
being co-operative with other path users and enjoying the experience
(except when the other users are obnoxious people of doubtful
parentage), or being agressive, raising your adrenalin levels and
shortening your life.

Paths can be designated bike paths under the Australian Road Rules by
the required signage. When so defined, they are provided for cyclist use
exclusively and cyclists must not ride on the road if a bike path runs
alongside it.

John Dwyer.

Thanx for that John. I live in nsw where it is iILLEGAL for pedestrians
to walk along the cycle way. They can cross it but thats all. Roller
bladers can use the cycle ways, however. I did NOT see a section that
stated that a cyclist MUST use the cycle way where one is provided.
Could you, perhaps post me a link or direct me to the section whereby
this is stated?

Asside from that Cyclists in NSW have all the right to use the road that
a car driver has including some rights that other motorists do not have;
including the legal right to ride to the left of a line of parked cars.

Digressing a little, as i've just read the ABC Cyclist thread:

Quoted message said:

Recently someone tried to run me off the road, stating that his logic is
that i am legally obliged to keep to the extreme left.

Congratulations for keeping your head. I can't help thinking that I
wouldnt have been able to do that, and what with the adrenaline from
cycling id have done something like yelling at him "[censored] off you
vigilante [censored]'' and if he actually tapped me with the car maybe
jumping onto his hood , you did say he managed to explain his logic,
kicking his windscreen in and telling him that his left blinker was
out of order. [censored] for tat. I can get worked up pretty easily while
cycling :/
BTW claire, is that downhill gear still for sale? if so, do you have
an email where I can reach you about it?

Also, soon to come, a post outlining some specific law about what
youve said in this post 🙂

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I enquired as to
the rules, and discovered that he was wrong. That i have all the legal
right to use the road. In fact, as a reglar cyclist I have discovered
that keeping to the extreme left can sometimes be more dangerous than
using the main body of road, and that was the situation i was in during
the above incident. I did not see a section in the rules that stated
that I must travel on the left, OR that a motorists is within their
legal rights to knock me off the bike deliberately and kill me, or to
threaten with menace using his car. And yet, this is how he behaved, and
this is what he indicated to me with his words. The fact that there are
people out there drving, whom act out their misguided thinking that they
can knock you off your bike, potentially kill you, without being legally
culpable, and who drive like that just because they think they can is
very very scary. Literally; bloody minded. Not to mention their lack of
awarness of the rights of other road users, especially cyclists.

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Safe and defensive cycling to everyone.

Regards, Claire

Paul_MCMLIX said:

I have often pondered over what an interesting creature the pedestrian
is. Why is it that people will drive a car on the left side of the
road their entire lives, but as soon as they exit said vehicle they
are too damn stupid to walk on the left side of a path to facilitate
traffic flow?

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I'm considering this as the topic for a thesis.

Don't forget the older fat ladies that walk on the path three abreast with
their arms interlocked. And they're deaf, so they don't hear your bell or
yelling. And they don't move out of the way even if they DO see you, because
your 700x19 vittoria tyres are OBVIOUSLY high performance sand tyres, which is
a good thing, because there's sand on either side of said path.

Just as well that your cleats are MUCH more comfortable to walk on any
surface compared to the ladies' moccasins.

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