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  1. My mom used to make both. Both were good, , although the baked
    dressing would get pretty dry and crisp on top, which isn't my cup o'
    tea.

    For years, I stuffed the turkey. But I really hated the wads of
    stuffing that showed up in the turkey soup the next day.

    For the past few years, I've used James Beard's recipe. WOW! Is that
    stuff good! Buttery, and there are many variations given in the
    recipe directions. First year I tried it, I made it with tarragon.
    Crash perfers sage. 🙁 (It's good anyway) We're going to add
    chopped pecans to this year's batch. I make this as a dressing, not
    as a stuffing. I finally figured out that I could put foil over the
    top, so it wouldn't dry out. Duh!

    So, what do the rest of you do with the bread stuff you make for
    Thanksgiving? (I'll just plug my ears when people start talking about
    corn bread or oysters) 😉

    Carol (recipe follows)

    * Exported from MasterCook *

    James Beard's Basic Bread Stuffing

    Recipe By :James Beard
    Serving Size : 0 Preparation Time :0:00
    Categories : side dishes Thanksgiving

    Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
    -------- ------------ --------------------------------
    1 cup butter -- (2 sticks)
    1 cup finely chopped shallots, onions, or spring
    onions
    8 cups fresh bread crumbs -- with crusts
    1 teaspoon dried tarragon -- moistened with ....
    1 tablespoon white wine -- for one hour
    1 cup finely chopped fresh parsley
    1 tablespoon salt -- or to taste
    1 1/2 teaspoons freshly ground black pepper

    Place the butter, shallots or onions in a saucepan, and allow the
    butter to melt over low heat. Do not sauté the shallots. Combine with
    the crumbs and other ingredients and toss lightly. Add more melted
    butter if needed, and taste for seasoning. Stuff the bird lightly just
    before roasting.

    Herb Variations:

    Instead of tarragon you can use any of the following herbs to taste.
    (It is better not to mix herbs, except for the addition of parsley,
    but mix if you must.)

    1. About 1 1/2 teaspoons dried thyme, soaked in a little white wine
    for an hour.
    2. Sage. Use with discretion, or it smothers all other flavors.
    3. Summer savory. This has a delicious flavor for turkey and is less
    known than most herbs.
    4. Basil. The fresh is delicious and superb in the stuffing of a
    spitted bird. If fresh is not available, use about 2 teaspoons of
    dried basil, soaked in white wine beforehand.

    Another way to give the flavor of fresh basil to your dressing is by
    adding pesto, the Italian sauce normally used with pasta. Fortunately,
    it freezes rather well, so pesto can be made when fresh basil is in
    the market or in your herb garden and it is possible to have it with
    your Thanksgiving or Christmas bird. Add about 3 tablespoons of pesto
    or more to the basic bread stuffing.

    Additives for Basic Bread Stuffing:

    You will have to reduce the amount of crumbs, depending upon the
    quantityof additive.

    1. 1 1/2 to 2 cups coarsely broken cooked chestnuts (These may be
    purchased in tins).
    2. 1 cup or more toasted salted filberts.
    3. 1 cup or more toasted unblanched almonds.
    4. 1 cup or more salted pecan halves.
    5. 1 1/2 to 2 cups toasted walnut halves.
    6. 2 cups finely diced celery. This makes a delicious change in the
    basic stuffing and is also good in goose.
    7. 1 1/2 cups of finely diced fennel bulb. Omit any other herb save
    parsley.
    8. A head of finely shredded Boston lettuce. Added to the basic
    stuffing at the last minute, this is surprisingly good. You may find
    you need additional salt.
    9. Giblets. Chop the gizzard and heart very fine; reserve the liver.
    Sauté the gizzard and heart with the onions just enough to color them,
    then mix with the rest of the ingredients. Use the liver in the sauce
    later. Sauté it lightly in butter and chop exceedingly fine before
    adding.

    Makes enough for a 10-pound bird.

    Cuisine:
    "American"
    Source:
    "http://www.epicurious.com/"

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    NOTES : The rule for figuring out the proper amount of stuffing is
    easy to remember -- approximately 1 cup per pound of bird. This works
    very well unless you want stuffing for only one meal, in which case
    this quantity is excessive. So, starting from the maximum, reduce the
    among of stuffing to suit your needs.

  2. Damsel in dis Dress said:

    My mom used to make both. Both were good, , although the baked
    dressing would get pretty dry and crisp on top, which isn't my cup o'
    tea.

    For years, I stuffed the turkey. But I really hated the wads of
    stuffing that showed up in the turkey soup the next day.

    For the past few years, I've used James Beard's recipe. WOW! Is that
    stuff good! Buttery, and there are many variations given in the
    recipe directions. First year I tried it, I made it with tarragon.
    Crash perfers sage. 🙁 (It's good anyway) We're going to add
    chopped pecans to this year's batch. I make this as a dressing, not
    as a stuffing. I finally figured out that I could put foil over the
    top, so it wouldn't dry out. Duh!

    So, what do the rest of you do with the bread stuff you make for
    Thanksgiving? (I'll just plug my ears when people start talking about
    corn bread or oysters) 😉

    Baked dressing - I hate stuffing. I use bread crumbs and cubes (either
    store-bought or home made from white bread), slightly caramalized
    onions, sauteed celery, black pepper, sage, salt, teeny bit of celery
    seed, extremely rich turkey broth made from necks in the crock pot (see
    my recent post), and bits of turkey meat. If I have my druthers, I add
    mushrooms. All semi-gooey and pressed into a buttered 9X13X2 pan, to
    the top. bake for an hour (or more) at 350. I make this 3-4 times per
    year.

    Whatever you do, don't put fruit in dressing. That's just disgusting.

    Man, I am hungry.
    -L.

  3. -L. said:


    Damsel in dis Dress said:

    My mom used to make both. Both were good, , although the baked
    dressing would get pretty dry and crisp on top, which isn't my cup o'
    tea.

    For years, I stuffed the turkey. But I really hated the wads of
    stuffing that showed up in the turkey soup the next day.

    For the past few years, I've used James Beard's recipe. WOW! Is that
    stuff good! Buttery, and there are many variations given in the
    recipe directions. First year I tried it, I made it with tarragon.
    Crash perfers sage. 🙁 (It's good anyway) We're going to add
    chopped pecans to this year's batch. I make this as a dressing, not
    as a stuffing. I finally figured out that I could put foil over the
    top, so it wouldn't dry out. Duh!

    So, what do the rest of you do with the bread stuff you make for
    Thanksgiving? (I'll just plug my ears when people start talking about
    corn bread or oysters) 😉

    Baked dressing - I hate stuffing. I use bread crumbs and cubes (either
    store-bought or home made from white bread), slightly caramalized
    onions, sauteed celery, black pepper, sage, salt, teeny bit of celery
    seed, extremely rich turkey broth made from necks in the crock pot (see
    my recent post), and bits of turkey meat. If I have my druthers, I add
    mushrooms. All semi-gooey and pressed into a buttered 9X13X2 pan, to
    the top. bake for an hour (or more) at 350. I make this 3-4 times per
    year.

    Whatever you do, don't put fruit in dressing. That's just disgusting.

    Man, I am hungry.

    I'll second that! Thirds, even! 😉

    Andy

  4. Warning, heretic coming!

    Cornbread dressing with onions, celery, pecans, and dried cranberries,
    seasoned with sage and poultry seasoning.

    Moist inside, but crusty on top.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________________________

    A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

  5. Damsel said:

    So, what do the rest of you do with the bread stuff you make for
    Thanksgiving? (I'll just plug my ears when people start talking about
    corn bread or oysters) 😉

    I posted this a couple weeks ago:

    I must give credit to Gloria (Puester) for her dressing recipe. It's the
    best I've ever made. She hasn't posted it this year, so allow me to post it
    on her behalf:

    1 package Pepperidge Farm seasoned bread crumbs
    1 package Jimmy Dean hot sausage
    1/4 cup butter
    1/2 to 1 lb. mushrooms, sliced
    1 large onion, diced
    2-3 celery stalks, chopped
    1 or 2 sweet-[censored] apples, peeled and diced
    1 cup pecans
    chicken broth
    Bell's seasoning or other poultry seasoning
    GLORIA'S NOTE: (My sister in law adds oysters to this but my family prefers
    it without. You could also add dried fruit--apricots, prunes, golden
    raisins, etc. which have been soaked to plump up.)

    Sauté sausage, drain and set aside.
    Melt butter (or use sausage fat if you prefer) in a skillet, sauté
    mushrooms, onion and celery till tender. Add apples, crumbs and pecans with
    enough broth to moisten. Add poultry seasoning, salt and pepper to taste.
    Pack lightly into a greased casserole. Refrigerate until ready to bake.

    BOB'S NOTES:
    * I generally use a mixture of half white bread cubes and half cornbread
    cubes.
    * I add some kind of plumped dried fruit: I've tried dried cranberries
    plumped in orange juice and I've tried Zante currants plumped in plum wine.
    Both were good. Since I'm making goose with blackberry sauce this year, I
    might include dried cherries in the dressing.
    * I usually cut back on the mushrooms or omit them altogether. Depends on
    what the dressing is accompanying: Chickens, Cornish hens, or capons can get
    the mushrooms; turkeys do not. Waterfowl may or may not, depending on what
    else is in the meal.

    Bob

  6. "Andy" <q> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    -L. said:


    Damsel in dis Dress said:

    My mom used to make both. Both were good, , although the baked
    dressing would get pretty dry and crisp on top, which isn't my cup o'
    tea.

    For years, I stuffed the turkey. But I really hated the wads of
    stuffing that showed up in the turkey soup the next day.

    For the past few years, I've used James Beard's recipe. WOW! Is that
    stuff good! Buttery, and there are many variations given in the
    recipe directions. First year I tried it, I made it with tarragon.
    Crash perfers sage. 🙁 (It's good anyway) We're going to add
    chopped pecans to this year's batch. I make this as a dressing, not
    as a stuffing. I finally figured out that I could put foil over the
    top, so it wouldn't dry out. Duh!

    So, what do the rest of you do with the bread stuff you make for
    Thanksgiving? (I'll just plug my ears when people start talking about
    corn bread or oysters) 😉

    Baked dressing - I hate stuffing. I use bread crumbs and cubes (either
    store-bought or home made from white bread), slightly caramalized
    onions, sauteed celery, black pepper, sage, salt, teeny bit of celery
    seed, extremely rich turkey broth made from necks in the crock pot (see
    my recent post), and bits of turkey meat. If I have my druthers, I add
    mushrooms. All semi-gooey and pressed into a buttered 9X13X2 pan, to
    the top. bake for an hour (or more) at 350. I make this 3-4 times per
    year.

    Whatever you do, don't put fruit in dressing. That's just disgusting.

    Man, I am hungry.

    I'll second that! Thirds, even! 😉

    Andy

    Hi all
    I think this must be a US vs Oz terminology thing, cos I'm a tad confused.
    I know that stuffing is of course the "stuff" that gets "stuffed" into the
    fowl, but about this dressing...from what I can gather, it's a baked dish of
    stuffing mix? Does it get cut up and served alongside the meat? Is it
    normally made in addition to other carbohydrate sources in a meal (eg
    potatoes, rice, etc) or usually served as a replacement for them?

    and finally, does anyone know why it's called "dressing" (dressing, to me,
    is the liquid stuff you put on salads)

    Thanks

  7. On Mon 07 Nov 2005 07:38:28a, MG wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:


    "Andy" <q> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    -L. said:


    Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
    > My mom used to make both. Both were good, , although the baked
    > dressing would get pretty dry and crisp on top, which isn't my cup o'
    > tea.
    >
    > For years, I stuffed the turkey. But I really hated the wads of
    > stuffing that showed up in the turkey soup the next day.
    >
    > For the past few years, I've used James Beard's recipe. WOW! Is
    > that stuff good! Buttery, and there are many variations given in the
    > recipe directions. First year I tried it, I made it with tarragon.
    > Crash perfers sage. 🙁 (It's good anyway) We're going to add
    > chopped pecans to this year's batch. I make this as a dressing, not
    > as a stuffing. I finally figured out that I could put foil over the
    > top, so it wouldn't dry out. Duh!
    >
    > So, what do the rest of you do with the bread stuff you make for
    > Thanksgiving? (I'll just plug my ears when people start talking
    > about corn bread or oysters) 😉
    >

    Baked dressing - I hate stuffing. I use bread crumbs and cubes
    (either store-bought or home made from white bread), slightly
    caramalized onions, sauteed celery, black pepper, sage, salt, teeny
    bit of celery seed, extremely rich turkey broth made from necks in the
    crock pot (see my recent post), and bits of turkey meat. If I have my
    druthers, I add mushrooms. All semi-gooey and pressed into a buttered
    9X13X2 pan, to the top. bake for an hour (or more) at 350. I make
    this 3-4 times per year.

    Whatever you do, don't put fruit in dressing. That's just disgusting.

    Man, I am hungry.

    I'll second that! Thirds, even! 😉

    Andy

    Hi all
    I think this must be a US vs Oz terminology thing, cos I'm a tad
    confused. I know that stuffing is of course the "stuff" that gets
    "stuffed" into the fowl, but about this dressing...from what I can
    gather, it's a baked dish of stuffing mix? Does it get cut up and served
    alongside the meat? Is it normally made in addition to other
    carbohydrate sources in a meal (eg potatoes, rice, etc) or usually
    served as a replacement for them?

    and finally, does anyone know why it's called "dressing" (dressing, to
    me, is the liquid stuff you put on salads)

    Thanks

    Dressing is often the very same recipe one would use for stuffing, but
    baked in a casserole dish or baking pan. Dressing may have more moisture
    than stuffing to begin with because stuffing absorbs juices from the bird.
    We serving dressing in its dish on the table, to be spooned on to each
    plate. Some folks make both. Typical at our holiday meal, there will be
    multiple carbohydrate sources; e.g., dressing and/or stuffing, mashed white
    potatoes, candied sweet potatoes, etc. There are usually an equal number
    of non or low carb vegetables. It seems to balance out. Not everyone eats
    some of everything.

    I have no clue as to why it's called dressing.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
    Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

  8. "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Mon 07 Nov 2005 07:38:28a, MG wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:


    "Andy" <q> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    -L. wrote:

    >
    > Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
    >> My mom used to make both. Both were good, , although the baked
    >> dressing would get pretty dry and crisp on top, which isn't my cup o'
    >> tea.
    >>
    >> For years, I stuffed the turkey. But I really hated the wads of
    >> stuffing that showed up in the turkey soup the next day.
    >>
    >> For the past few years, I've used James Beard's recipe. WOW! Is
    >> that stuff good! Buttery, and there are many variations given in the
    >> recipe directions. First year I tried it, I made it with tarragon.
    >> Crash perfers sage. 🙁 (It's good anyway) We're going to add
    >> chopped pecans to this year's batch. I make this as a dressing, not
    >> as a stuffing. I finally figured out that I could put foil over the
    >> top, so it wouldn't dry out. Duh!
    >>
    >> So, what do the rest of you do with the bread stuff you make for
    >> Thanksgiving? (I'll just plug my ears when people start talking
    >> about corn bread or oysters) 😉
    >>
    >
    > Baked dressing - I hate stuffing. I use bread crumbs and cubes
    > (either store-bought or home made from white bread), slightly
    > caramalized onions, sauteed celery, black pepper, sage, salt, teeny
    > bit of celery seed, extremely rich turkey broth made from necks in the
    > crock pot (see my recent post), and bits of turkey meat. If I have my
    > druthers, I add mushrooms. All semi-gooey and pressed into a buttered
    > 9X13X2 pan, to the top. bake for an hour (or more) at 350. I make
    > this 3-4 times per year.
    >
    > Whatever you do, don't put fruit in dressing. That's just disgusting.
    >
    > Man, I am hungry.

    I'll second that! Thirds, even! 😉

    Andy

    Hi all
    I think this must be a US vs Oz terminology thing, cos I'm a tad
    confused. I know that stuffing is of course the "stuff" that gets
    "stuffed" into the fowl, but about this dressing...from what I can
    gather, it's a baked dish of stuffing mix? Does it get cut up and served
    alongside the meat? Is it normally made in addition to other
    carbohydrate sources in a meal (eg potatoes, rice, etc) or usually
    served as a replacement for them?

    and finally, does anyone know why it's called "dressing" (dressing, to
    me, is the liquid stuff you put on salads)

    Thanks

    Dressing is often the very same recipe one would use for stuffing, but
    baked in a casserole dish or baking pan. Dressing may have more moisture
    than stuffing to begin with because stuffing absorbs juices from the bird.
    We serving dressing in its dish on the table, to be spooned on to each
    plate. Some folks make both. Typical at our holiday meal, there will be
    multiple carbohydrate sources; e.g., dressing and/or stuffing, mashed


    white

    Quoted message said:

    potatoes, candied sweet potatoes, etc. There are usually an equal number
    of non or low carb vegetables. It seems to balance out. Not everyone


    eats

    Quoted message said:

    some of everything.

    I have no clue as to why it's called dressing.

    I dunno, to me it's called stuffing whether it's in a bird or not. AND, I
    prefer cornbread stuffing.

    kili

  9. Wayne Boatwright said:
    Quoted message said:


    Dressing is often the very same recipe one would use for stuffing, but
    baked in a casserole dish or baking pan. Dressing may have more moisture
    than stuffing to begin with because stuffing absorbs juices from the bird.
    We serving dressing in its dish on the table, to be spooned on to each
    plate. Some folks make both. Typical at our holiday meal, there will be
    multiple carbohydrate sources; e.g., dressing and/or stuffing, mashed white
    potatoes, candied sweet potatoes, etc. There are usually an equal number
    of non or low carb vegetables. It seems to balance out. Not everyone eats
    some of everything.

    I have no clue as to why it's called dressing.

    Culinarilly dressing and stuffing are synonymous, stuffing being a
    colloquialism... generally the less educated, ie, hillybillys, will say
    stuffing (stuffins), regardless how presented.

    stuffing
    see DRESSING

    dressing
    A mixture used to stuff poultry, fish, meat and some vegetables. It can
    be cooked separately or in the food in which it is stuffed. Dressings
    (also called stuffings ) are usually well seasoned and based on bread
    crumbs or cubes - though rice, potatoes and other foods are also
    used.

    © Copyright Barron's Educational Services, Inc. 1995 based on THE FOOD
    LOVER'S COMPANION, 2nd edition, by Sharon Tyler Herbst.

    Merriam Webster says precisely the same, those with dictionarys look it
    up.

    Sheldon

  10. "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Wayne Boatwright said:
    Quoted message said:


    Dressing is often the very same recipe one would use for stuffing, but
    baked in a casserole dish or baking pan. Dressing may have more moisture
    than stuffing to begin with because stuffing absorbs juices from the bird.
    We serving dressing in its dish on the table, to be spooned on to each
    plate. Some folks make both. Typical at our holiday meal, there will be
    multiple carbohydrate sources; e.g., dressing and/or stuffing, mashed


    white

    Quoted message said:

    potatoes, candied sweet potatoes, etc. There are usually an equal number
    of non or low carb vegetables. It seems to balance out. Not everyone


    eats

    Quoted message said:

    some of everything.

    I have no clue as to why it's called dressing.

    Culinarilly dressing and stuffing are synonymous, stuffing being a
    colloquialism... generally the less educated, ie, hillybillys, will say
    stuffing (stuffins), regardless how presented.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------

    Ack! I'm not a hillbilly! I'm a west coast girl and we called all of it
    stuffing there. My husband, OTOH........... backwoods, TN, hillbilly. But
    he's *so* nice..............

    kili

  11. On Mon 07 Nov 2005 08:03:56a, kilikini wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:


    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Mon 07 Nov 2005 07:38:28a, MG wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:


    "Andy" <q> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > -L. wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
    >>> My mom used to make both. Both were good, , although the baked
    >>> dressing would get pretty dry and crisp on top, which isn't my cup


    o'

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>> tea.
    >>>
    >>> For years, I stuffed the turkey. But I really hated the wads of
    >>> stuffing that showed up in the turkey soup the next day.
    >>>
    >>> For the past few years, I've used James Beard's recipe. WOW! Is
    >>> that stuff good! Buttery, and there are many variations given in


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>> recipe directions. First year I tried it, I made it with tarragon.
    >>> Crash perfers sage. 🙁 (It's good anyway) We're going to add
    >>> chopped pecans to this year's batch. I make this as a dressing,


    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>> as a stuffing. I finally figured out that I could put foil over


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>> top, so it wouldn't dry out. Duh!
    >>>
    >>> So, what do the rest of you do with the bread stuff you make for
    >>> Thanksgiving? (I'll just plug my ears when people start talking
    >>> about corn bread or oysters) 😉
    >>>
    >>
    >> Baked dressing - I hate stuffing. I use bread crumbs and cubes
    >> (either store-bought or home made from white bread), slightly
    >> caramalized onions, sauteed celery, black pepper, sage, salt, teeny
    >> bit of celery seed, extremely rich turkey broth made from necks in


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> crock pot (see my recent post), and bits of turkey meat. If I have


    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> druthers, I add mushrooms. All semi-gooey and pressed into a


    buttered

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> 9X13X2 pan, to the top. bake for an hour (or more) at 350. I make
    >> this 3-4 times per year.
    >>
    >> Whatever you do, don't put fruit in dressing. That's just


    disgusting.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>
    >> Man, I am hungry.
    >
    > I'll second that! Thirds, even! 😉
    >
    > Andy

    Hi all
    I think this must be a US vs Oz terminology thing, cos I'm a tad
    confused. I know that stuffing is of course the "stuff" that gets
    "stuffed" into the fowl, but about this dressing...from what I can
    gather, it's a baked dish of stuffing mix? Does it get cut up and


    served

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    alongside the meat? Is it normally made in addition to other
    carbohydrate sources in a meal (eg potatoes, rice, etc) or usually
    served as a replacement for them?

    and finally, does anyone know why it's called "dressing" (dressing,


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    me, is the liquid stuff you put on salads)

    Thanks

    Dressing is often the very same recipe one would use for stuffing, but
    baked in a casserole dish or baking pan. Dressing may have more


    moisture

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    than stuffing to begin with because stuffing absorbs juices from the


    bird.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    We serving dressing in its dish on the table, to be spooned on to each
    plate. Some folks make both. Typical at our holiday meal, there will


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    multiple carbohydrate sources; e.g., dressing and/or stuffing, mashed
    white potatoes, candied sweet potatoes, etc. There are usually an equal
    number of non or low carb vegetables. It seems to balance out. Not
    everyone eats some of everything.

    I have no clue as to why it's called dressing.

    I dunno, to me it's called stuffing whether it's in a bird or not. AND,


    I

    Quoted message said:

    prefer cornbread stuffing.

    I guess you could say you "stuffed" the dish. :-)

    In our family the turkey was never stuffed, and the "stuffing" was always
    called dressing and baked in a pan. A rose by any other name, ya know? :-)

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

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  12. "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My mom used to make both. Both were good, , although the baked
    dressing would get pretty dry and crisp on top, which isn't my cup o'
    tea.

    For years, I stuffed the turkey. But I really hated the wads of
    stuffing that showed up in the turkey soup the next day.

    For the past few years, I've used James Beard's recipe. WOW! Is that
    stuff good! Buttery, and there are many variations given in the
    recipe directions. First year I tried it, I made it with tarragon.
    Crash perfers sage. 🙁 (It's good anyway) We're going to add
    chopped pecans to this year's batch. I make this as a dressing, not
    as a stuffing. I finally figured out that I could put foil over the
    top, so it wouldn't dry out. Duh!

    So, what do the rest of you do with the bread stuff you make for
    Thanksgiving? (I'll just plug my ears when people start talking about
    corn bread or oysters) 😉

    Carol (recipe follows)


    "Recipe cut"

    I still stuff the turkey and the recipe I use is from an old McCall's
    Cookbook. Basically it's fresh bread, butter, onions, celery, poultry
    seasoning, salt & pepper. I don't have the recipe in front of me so I'm not
    sure what else goes in it, never corn bread or oysters though. The main
    reason I don't make dressing instead of stuffing the bird is because my oven
    isn't big enough to hold the 20# turkey as well as the pan of dressing. I
    have the electric oven and a micro/convection oven. The convection oven
    holds the sweet potato casserole and when the turkey comes out that oven is
    used for the rolls and whatever vegetable dish is being served.

    Audrey

  13. I use the same recipe for both - if it's going in a separate dish in
    the oven, I make sure it is plenty moist and dot the top all over with
    pats of butter. Yum.

    N.

    Damsel in dis Dress said:

    My mom used to make both. Both were good, , although the baked
    dressing would get pretty dry and crisp on top, which isn't my cup o'
    tea.

    For years, I stuffed the turkey. But I really hated the wads of

  14. Damsel in dis Dress said:

    My mom used to make both. Both were good, , although the baked
    dressing would get pretty dry and crisp on top, which isn't my cup o'
    tea.


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    So, what do the rest of you do with the bread stuff you make for
    Thanksgiving? (I'll just plug my ears when people start talking about
    corn bread or oysters) 😉

    I make basic bread stuffing with dried bread chunks (from a cheap loaf
    of American white bread which acts as a great flavor sponge), chopped
    apples and onions, margarine/butter, celery, broth, giblets, and a
    poultry seasoning mix.

    It goes in the turkey, but any leftover goes into a casserole for
    separate cooking.

    Quoted message said:

    NOTES : The rule for figuring out the proper amount of stuffing is
    easy to remember -- approximately 1 cup per pound of bird. This works
    very well unless you want stuffing for only one meal, in which case
    this quantity is excessive. So, starting from the maximum, reduce the
    among of stuffing to suit your needs.

    Thanks, that should be helpful, although who makes stuffing for only
    one meal??? ;>

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

  15. "Audrey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I still stuff the turkey and the recipe I use is from an old McCall's
    Cookbook. Basically it's fresh bread, butter, onions, celery, poultry
    seasoning, salt & pepper. I don't have the recipe in front of me so
    I'm not sure what else goes in it, never corn bread or oysters though.
    The main reason I don't make dressing instead of stuffing the bird is
    because my oven isn't big enough to hold the 20# turkey as well as the
    pan of dressing. I have the electric oven and a micro/convection
    oven. The convection oven holds the sweet potato casserole and when
    the turkey comes out that oven is used for the rolls and whatever
    vegetable dish is being served.

    I make dressing in the Crockpot. Been doing it this way for the last few
    years. It's always turned out very well.

    Mary

  16. Damsel in dis Dress said:


    So, what do the rest of you do with the bread stuff you make for
    Thanksgiving? (I'll just plug my ears when people start talking about
    corn bread or oysters) 😉

    I prefer dressing, kind of dry. It soaks up a lot more gravy that way,
    plus you get more drippings from roasting the bird so you can make more
    gravy.

    Best regards,
    Bob <-- likes gravy

  17. "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My mom used to make both. Both were good, , although the baked
    dressing would get pretty dry and crisp on top, which isn't my cup o'
    tea.

    For years, I stuffed the turkey. But I really hated the wads of
    stuffing that showed up in the turkey soup the next day.

    For the past few years, I've used James Beard's recipe. WOW! Is that
    stuff good! Buttery, and there are many variations given in the
    recipe directions. First year I tried it, I made it with tarragon.
    Crash perfers sage. 🙁 (It's good anyway) We're going to add
    chopped pecans to this year's batch. I make this as a dressing, not
    as a stuffing. I finally figured out that I could put foil over the
    top, so it wouldn't dry out. Duh!

    So, what do the rest of you do with the bread stuff you make for
    Thanksgiving? (I'll just plug my ears when people start talking about
    corn bread or oysters) 😉

    Carol (recipe follows)

    Since no one in my house eats much of the dark meat, and several at the
    table don't care for turkey, I make a rib roast and a couple of turkey
    breasts. I make the dressing, put it in the roaster and top it with the
    turkey breast. I still get the rich flavor from the turkey juices, and the
    dressing doesn't get dry. There just the right ratio of crispy edges to soft
    dressing.

    The recipe looks good, although I'd definitely be adding the celery. I tried
    making it without and it just isn't the same.

    kimberly

  18. Audrey said:

    "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My mom used to make both. Both were good, , although the baked
    dressing would get pretty dry and crisp on top, which isn't my cup o'
    tea.

    For years, I stuffed the turkey. But I really hated the wads of
    stuffing that showed up in the turkey soup the next day.

    For the past few years, I've used James Beard's recipe. WOW! Is that
    stuff good! Buttery, and there are many variations given in the
    recipe directions. First year I tried it, I made it with tarragon.
    Crash perfers sage. 🙁 (It's good anyway) We're going to add
    chopped pecans to this year's batch. I make this as a dressing, not
    as a stuffing. I finally figured out that I could put foil over the
    top, so it wouldn't dry out. Duh!

    So, what do the rest of you do with the bread stuff you make for
    Thanksgiving? (I'll just plug my ears when people start talking about
    corn bread or oysters) 😉

    Carol (recipe follows)

    "Recipe cut"

    I still stuff the turkey and the recipe I use is from an old McCall's
    Cookbook. Basically it's fresh bread, butter, onions, celery, poultry
    seasoning, salt & pepper. I don't have the recipe in front of me so I'm not
    sure what else goes in it, never corn bread or oysters though. The main
    reason I don't make dressing instead of stuffing the bird is because my oven
    isn't big enough to hold the 20# turkey as well as the pan of dressing. I
    have the electric oven and a micro/convection oven. The convection oven
    holds the sweet potato casserole and when the turkey comes out that oven is
    used for the rolls and whatever vegetable dish is being served.

    Audrey


    Audrey, I stuff the turkey with similar stuffing but don't follow an
    actual recipe. This is the way my mother taught me and this is the way
    my family likes stuffing. I hear you on the limitations of oven size.
    We always cook a turkey in the 20# range. That leaves little room for
    anything else in the oven. BTW, I tried a small amount of stuffing
    baked in the oven in addition to that stuffed into the bird last spring.
    My family turned their noses up at the baked stuffing but the birds
    seemed to enjoy it.

  19. ~patches~ said:


    We always cook a turkey in the 20# range. That leaves little room for
    anything else in the oven.

    Experienced/knowlegeable home cooks with limited oven space (and
    limited time) know to cook casserole dishes in advance and store in the
    fridge, next day pop them into the oven to heat through as soon as the
    bird is removed... casserole dishes actually taste better prepared this
    way.

    That said I never stuff poultry, and won't eat anyones who does... most
    folks haven't a clue how to follow proper food safety guidelines for
    stuffed poultry, and even when followed to the letter disasters can and
    do occur.... people do all sorts of very stupid things with dressing to
    begin with, so especially dangerous when it's cooked inside the bird.
    I've often seen where dressing was prepared containing raw egg, raw
    sausage, even raw oysters... and almost always packed in tight like as
    if with a hydrolic ram. I once ate Thanksgiveing dinner at someones
    home where the bird was crammed so tightly the poor thing literally
    burst while cooking.

    Sheldon

  20. MG said:

    Hi all
    I think this must be a US vs Oz terminology thing, cos I'm a tad confused.
    I know that stuffing is of course the "stuff" that gets "stuffed" into the
    fowl, but about this dressing...from what I can gather, it's a baked dish of
    stuffing mix? Does it get cut up and served alongside the meat? Is it
    normally made in addition to other carbohydrate sources in a meal (eg
    potatoes, rice, etc) or usually served as a replacement for them?

    and finally, does anyone know why it's called "dressing" (dressing, to me,
    is the liquid stuff you put on salads)

    Thanks

    We have so many carbs on T-day, we could choke a cow:

    potatoes
    yams
    peas
    dressing
    bread
    sometimes mac'n'cheese...

    -L.

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