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"Steve Tew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi Tom! Based on what he wrote: " Have you ever gone into a meeting full of strange people where
they frisk you for weapons before you enter? I have, everyone has, of course, every day." I
would say he is actually delusional, or making a joke as I was. Or he could just be talking a
bout a Democratic caucus.
Didn't realise yoiu were joking! I thought you were one of the more
extreme
Quoted message said:gun crazed 'muricans just putting out what he thought was self evident
fact.
Quoted message said:I've never been to such a meeting & I doubt most have. I have been to meetings where everyone
there was at minimum a reasonably competent
martial
Quoted message said:artist in some way shape or form. Politeness and consideration were all hallmarks of such meetings
except where idiots tried to let their egos
rule.
Quoted message said:Seldom were these the truly competent or wise. ( actually instead of
seldom
Quoted message said:I should say never )
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:> a handgun is the best deterent against personal violence there is.
[censored]! If this were indeed the case then the gangs of New York etc.
would
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:all
Quoted message said:be taking up needlepoint.
It is indeed the case, but I have no idea what you are trying to say
with
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:that last statement about the gangs of New York taking up needle point, unless you are completly
unfamiliar with the anti - gun laws there that prevent everyone except criminals to own guns. My
mom has done lots of needle point, by the way... It's quite lovely.
I live with even more stringent gun control than New York ever thought of. Feel free to substitute
the name of any city you care to such as Denver,
Los
Quoted message said:Angeles or wherever the point still stands. If guns in the hands of
everyone
Quoted message said:were the best idea ever then the criminals would all be taking up needle point as they all use
them quite without regard of whatever laws are in place
Guns in the hands of everyone is NOT a good idea. What is a good idea is honest, competent, citizens
who want to take on the responsibility of carying, doing so.
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Quoted message said:Quoted message said:You've also forgotten the major point in the missive you replied to.
You
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:are
Quoted message said:unlikely to have your gun with you 24/7. I on the other hand do have
my
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Quoted message said:hands & feet with me 24/7.
Not at all. I am stating the simple fact that the Mr. Malcom uttered
some
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:humorous and bragardly cliches.
Fine but you did ignore that. Everytime that someone has used that
argument
Quoted message said:on me I've said fine lets do it now. They have Without exception either wanted to reach for a
pocket or purse ( usually a kife up here ) or go
home
Quoted message said:& get the whatever. I then deny them that possibility & tell them if they make a move I will drop
them where they stand. It kinda brings it home
that
Quoted message said:a weapon is useless unless A) you have it with you AND B) it is instantly accessable
You are not a perp looking for an opportune target. As far as I know, most attacks have a preamble
that plays out in a manner that would allow a vigilant person to react or avoid it. Interviews with
victims reveal this consistancy in the form of statements similar to "I should have seen it coming."
Most attacks come in a surrounding that is conducive to the success of the attack. It is in these
scenarios that one should be in an elevated state of alarm. And it is at these times that the alert
and observant potential victim should be prepared to draw and fire quickly. Your example of a duel -
like setting would likely be the exception.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:I find it surprising how many martial artists seem to think that the gun is not a real weapon.
Sticks,
chains,
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:knives, swords... Ahhh! Those are weapons worthy of the Martial Artist! But not the lowly gun.
It does have a very crass feel to it ( this from a person who has won many shooting matches ) Guns
( for self defense ) take very little skill.
Which makes them such a great invention. It's that balance of power thing...
Quoted message said:In the States the required training is often little or none, so yes I agree that for *artistic*
purposes the gun just isn't suitable. There are a few exceptional people who have been able to
raise the gun to a higher level ( people like your Annie Oakley ) but they are rare & it is the
person that matters here & not the impliment.
Not in terms of extension of power and the perception of the parties involved in a potential
conflict. It is germain to this topic that the gun is the true threat... although it must, of
course, be in the hand of a person, or at least the perp must think that that posibility exists.
Quoted message said:The other weapons you mention are much harder to use & this helps force the person weilding them to
be more than just a common thug. Note this does NOT guarantee this but it helps. Name
one
Quoted message said:person who is competent with either the Bo or Nunchuka for example who has not at some time or
another whacked himself/herself with the weapon whilst learning how to wield it. I can name you
people at the worlds level who
have
Quoted message said:done this. One in particular knocked himself right cold with the Bo & this was AFTER he had won
his first gold at the world level & was practicing
for
Quoted message said:the next tournament. However all that said ( however unsatisfactorily ) I
do
Quoted message said:not regard the gun as an unworthy weapon. It is certainly a real one. Very poorly used in 99% of
cases. If you meet a competent person with a gun who wants you dead you'd better have your affairs
in order.
Amen...
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:Charlie's Angels beat up gunmen all the time! So can we!
If you are immature enough to believe this then you deserve what you get. B-) children & silly
adults have always managed to confuse reality &
movies
Quoted message said:for as long as there has been movies. Most us us outgrow this by age 5 or so. I can remember
playing cowboys & indians as a little boy & knowing
that
Quoted message said:it wasn't real. Hell I even knew that it wasn't true & didn't happen that way here in Canada ( we
didn't have indian wars like you did )
Quoted message said:In reality, a well rounded martial artist should be competent with
firearms,
Quoted message said:and I would say that a real gunfighter is a martial artist. It's just another discipline of the
warior.
Hopefully we don't live in a state that requires this. Yes I do happen to
be
Quoted message said:competent to a point with guns but they are not now part of my life & I don't want them in my
life. They are quite simply not needed as I live
now.
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Quoted message said:By the way, the gunman is posting on a martial arts group, so maybe he
has
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:hands and feet, too?
Yes he does but does he know what to do with them.
Quoted message said:Look, if you were a dirtbag looking for somone to rob on the street
would
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:you go for some robust guy strutting along, or some little lady
shuffling
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:down the sidewalk? These days, in many communities, there are more of
those
Quoted message said:little ladies packing heat.
So what. Ask your wife to get X out of her purse. First she has to find
her
Quoted message said:purse. Then she has to rummage. Then if you are lucky she finds it. Quite often she will have to
find the other purse where she forgot & left it.
Quoted message said:Just showing a gun is enough to turn off an attack usually,
Only if you have it in your hand to show. Like I said above re the times I've dealt first person
with this very argument.
The point is moot. It is the cowardly predator seeking prey who must be convinced that violent
personal confrontation may be more costly than it is worth. A well - armed populace ( the honest
folk ) is a darned good thing in that regard.
Steve
Quoted message said:...........................Tom.............................
