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  1. Study: Fit but fat not good enough
    Excess weight can take years off your life despite exercise

    Being fit but fat isn't good enough. Excess weight, all by itself, can take
    years off your life, even if you get plenty of exercise, a study found.

    "There has been some suggestion that if you are particularly active, you
    don't have to worry about your body weight, about your diet. That's very
    misleading," said the report's lead author, Dr. Frank Hu of the Harvard
    School of Public Health.

    The study of 116,500 women was published in Thursday's New England Journal
    of Medicine and was based on questionnaires used in the Nurses' Health
    Study, which has followed female nurses since 1976, and on death
    certificates and medical records.

    Women who were physically active but obese had almost twice the risk of
    death of women who were both active and lean. Women who were sedentary but
    slender were 55 percent more likely to die. Women who were both sedentary
    and obese were almost 2 1/2 times more likely to die.

    "Being physically active did not cancel out the increased mortality of
    overweight. Being lean did not counterbalance the risk effect of being
    sedentary," Hu said.

    An editorial by David R. Jacobs Jr. and Mark A. Pereira of the University
    of Minnesota noted that the study relied on nurses' reports of exercise and
    weight rather than direct measurement, and did not include light to
    moderate exercise -- the form most Americans get.

    Dr. Timothy Church of the Cooper Institute, which is devoted to research on
    exercise and health, praised the findings. "If you're lean but you're
    sedentary, don't fool yourself. You're still at risk. You need to get
    physically active," he said.

    A separate study in the journal -- the longest look yet at the effects of
    stomach-stapling and other obesity surgery -- found that the weight loss
    and the protection against diabetes that result are major and long-lasting.

    The Swedish study, led by Dr. Lars Sjostrom of Sahlgrenska University
    Hospital in Goteborg, looked at more than 4,000 people, about half of whom
    underwent surgery. The other half were advised to change their habits, or
    got no treatment at all.

    Two years later, the surgery group had lost about 23 percent of its
    original weight, while those in the comparison group weighed almost exactly
    the same. Ten years later, the comparison group had gained an average of
    1.6 percent. Those who underwent surgery had regained a larger percentage
    -- but were still 16 percent below their original weights.

    Many surgical patients recovered from diabetes, and the operation prevented
    many new cases. Their levels of fats called triglycerides were lower, and
    their levels of "good" cholesterol were higher.

    But trends toward lower blood pressure and lower overall cholesterol levels
    among the surgery patients were not big enough to count as real
    differences.

  2. Robin Lowry said:

    Study: Fit but fat not good enough
    Excess weight can take years off your life despite exercise

    Being fit but fat isn't good enough. Excess weight, all by itself, can
    take
    years off your life, even if you get plenty of exercise, a study found.

    "There has been some suggestion that if you are particularly active, you
    don't have to worry about your body weight, about your diet. That's very
    misleading," said the report's lead author, Dr. Frank Hu of the Harvard
    School of Public Health.

    The study of 116,500 women was published in Thursday's New England
    Journal
    of Medicine and was based on questionnaires used in the Nurses' Health
    Study, which has followed female nurses since 1976, and on death
    certificates and medical records.

    Women who were physically active but obese had almost twice the risk of
    death of women who were both active and lean. Women who were sedentary
    but
    slender were 55 percent more likely to die. Women who were both sedentary
    and obese were almost 2 1/2 times more likely to die.

    "Being physically active did not cancel out the increased mortality of
    overweight. Being lean did not counterbalance the risk effect of being
    sedentary," Hu said.

    An editorial by David R. Jacobs Jr. and Mark A. Pereira of the University
    of Minnesota noted that the study relied on nurses' reports of exercise
    and
    weight rather than direct measurement, and did not include light to
    moderate exercise -- the form most Americans get.

    Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their weight.

    --
    Bob M
    remove ".x" to reply

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    On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:37:29 -0500, "Bob M" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their
    weight.

    So why should they? It isn't your business.

    LV

    Lady Veteran
    - -----------------------------------
    "I rode a tank and held a general's rank
    when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
    - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
    - ------------------------------------------------
    People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
    ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
    motive but malice.
    - ---------------------------------------------
    "Be who you are and say what
    you feel because those who mind don't matter
    and those who matter don't mind."

    - --Unknown
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  4. Lady Veteran said:

    Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:22:18 -0600
    From: Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.diet,
    alt.support.diet.low-carb, alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,
    misc.fitness.weights
    Subject: Re: Study: Fit but fat not good enough

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    On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:37:29 -0500, "Bob M" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their
    weight.

    So why should they?

    You snipped the part that answers that question (although I see you left
    the attribution). The women in question agreed to participate in a study
    to gather information related to health and lifestyle, information that
    might prove useful to many other people. They should tell the truth
    because if they don't, the information is useless.

    Quoted message said:

    It isn't your business.

    Are you ashamed of your weight?

  5. Lady Veteran wrote:
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    || wrote:
    ||
    ||| On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry <[email hidden]> wrote:
    |||
    |||
    |||
    ||| Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their
    ||| weight.
    ||
    || So why should they? It isn't your business.

    Why should they lie?

  6. geek_girl said:
    Lady Veteran said:

    Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:22:18 -0600
    From: Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.diet,
    alt.support.diet.low-carb, alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,
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    Subject: Re: Study: Fit but fat not good enough

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    On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:37:29 -0500, "Bob M" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their
    weight.

    So why should they?

    You snipped the part that answers that question (although I see you left
    the attribution). The women in question agreed to participate in a study
    to gather information related to health and lifestyle, information that
    might prove useful to many other people. They should tell the truth
    because if they don't, the information is useless.

    Quoted message said:

    It isn't your business.

    Are you ashamed of your weight?

    I bet <<joni>> could help her out.

    -----------
    Proton Soup

    "Thanks for noticing that I didn't actually say anything." - Mike Lane

  7. Lady Veteran said:


    On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:37:29 -0500, "Bob M" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their
    weight.

    So why should they? It isn't your business.

    You have posted your weight, bull dyke.

    5' 6 1/2", 240 pounds.

    Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
    Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Yours in Christ.

    Marty

  8. (Marty) said:
    Lady Veteran said:


    On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:37:29 -0500, "Bob M" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their
    weight.

    So why should they? It isn't your business.

    You have posted your weight, bull dyke.

    5' 6 1/2", 240 pounds.

    And still growing larger!!!!!

    Jan

    Quoted message said:


    Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
    Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Yours in Christ.

    Marty

  9. (Marty) said:
    Lady Veteran said:


    On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:37:29 -0500, "Bob M" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their
    weight.

    So why should they? It isn't your business.

    You have posted your weight, bull dyke.

    BULL DYKE?????

    Quoted message said:


    5' 6 1/2", 240 pounds.

    Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
    Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

    Yours in Christ.

    Marty

  10. Marty said:
    Lady Veteran said:


    On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:37:29 -0500, "Bob M" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their
    weight.

    So why should they? It isn't your business.

    You have posted your weight, bull dyke.

    5' 6 1/2", 240 pounds.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I love the "bull dyke" title...very fitting for Lady
    Heffer!
    --
    -Larry

  11. Robin Lowry said:

    Study: Fit but fat not good enough
    Women who were sedentary but slender were 55 percent more >likely to


    die.

    This is one fact overlooked by many of my railthin women friends who
    think they dont have to exercise because they arent overweight. They
    dont understand that being fit doesnt just mean they can fit into a
    size 0-2.

    <<joni>>

  12. joni said:
    Robin Lowry said:

    Study: Fit but fat not good enough
    Women who were sedentary but slender were 55 percent more >likely to
    die.

    This is one fact overlooked by many of my railthin women friends who
    think they dont have to exercise because they arent overweight. They
    dont understand that being fit doesnt just mean they can fit into a
    size 0-2.

    <<joni>>

    Joni, nice quoting! Maybe the formatting Police will leave you alone now.

    Golf Clap:
    <clap> <clap> <clap> <clap> <clap> <clap> <clap> <clap> <clap> <clap> <clap>

    --
    -Larry

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    Lady Veteran said:

    Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:22:18 -0600
    From: Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.diet,
    alt.support.diet.low-carb, alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,
    misc.fitness.weights
    Subject: Re: Study: Fit but fat not good enough

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    Bob M said:

    On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their
    weight.

    So why should they?

    You snipped the part that answers that question (although I see you
    left the attribution). The women in question agreed to participate
    in a study to gather information related to health and lifestyle,
    information that might prove useful to many other people. They
    should tell the truth
    because if they don't, the information is useless.

    Quoted message said:

    It isn't your business.

    Are you ashamed of your weight?

    Are you ashamed of your big nose? You seem to stick it everywhere it
    doesn't belong.

    LV

    Lady Veteran
    - -----------------------------------
    "I rode a tank and held a general's rank
    when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
    - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
    - ------------------------------------------------
    People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
    ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
    motive but malice.
    - ---------------------------------------------
    "Be who you are and say what
    you feel because those who mind don't matter
    and those who matter don't mind."

    - --Unknown
    - -------------------------------

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    Lady Veteran wrote:
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    || <[email hidden]> wrote:
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    ||| On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry <[email hidden]>
    ||| wrote:
    |||
    |||
    |||
    ||| Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their
    ||| weight.
    ||
    || So why should they? It isn't your business.

    Why should they lie?


    Why should their weight matter to anyone but them?

    LV

    Lady Veteran
    - -----------------------------------
    "I rode a tank and held a general's rank
    when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
    - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
    - ------------------------------------------------
    People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
    ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
    motive but malice.
    - ---------------------------------------------
    "Be who you are and say what
    you feel because those who mind don't matter
    and those who matter don't mind."

    - --Unknown
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  15. Lady Veteran said:

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    Lady Veteran said:

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    > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:37:29 -0500, "Bob M"
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >> On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry <[email hidden]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their
    >> weight.
    >
    > So why should they? It isn't your business.

    Why should they lie?


    Why should their weight matter to anyone but them?

    LV

    Lady Veteran

    Well, bacause they agreed to participate in a study on weight related
    issues?
    --
    -Larry

  16. Lady Veteran said:

    Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:43:11 -0600
    From: Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.diet,
    alt.support.diet.low-carb, alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,
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    Subject: Re: Study: Fit but fat not good enough

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    geek_girl said:
    Lady Veteran said:

    Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:22:18 -0600
    From: Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.diet,
    alt.support.diet.low-carb, alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,
    misc.fitness.weights
    Subject: Re: Study: Fit but fat not good enough

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    On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:37:29 -0500, "Bob M"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their
    >weight.

    So why should they?

    You snipped the part that answers that question (although I see you
    left the attribution). The women in question agreed to participate
    in a study to gather information related to health and lifestyle,
    information that might prove useful to many other people. They
    should tell the truth
    because if they don't, the information is useless.

    I see you're not addressing this part. Y'know, the part where I answer
    your question and make it very clear why these particular women should be
    telling the truth about their weight.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It isn't your business.

    Are you ashamed of your weight?

    Are you ashamed of your big nose? You seem to stick it everywhere it
    doesn't belong.

    That doesn't even make sense - if I were ashamed of it, I'd keep it to
    myself. Like you do with your weight.

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    geek_girl said:
    Lady Veteran said:

    Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:43:11 -0600
    From: Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.diet,
    alt.support.diet.low-carb, alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,
    misc.fitness.weights
    Subject: Re: Study: Fit but fat not good enough

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    geek_girl said:

    On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Lady Veteran wrote:

    > Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:22:18 -0600
    > From: Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>
    > Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.diet,
    > alt.support.diet.low-carb, alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,
    > misc.fitness.weights
    > Subject: Re: Study: Fit but fat not good enough
    >
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    > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:37:29 -0500, "Bob M"
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry <[email hidden]>
    > >wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their
    > >weight.
    >
    > So why should they?

    You snipped the part that answers that question (although I see
    you left the attribution). The women in question agreed to
    participate in a study to gather information related to health
    and lifestyle, information that might prove useful to many other
    people. They should tell the truth
    because if they don't, the information is useless.

    I see you're not addressing this part. Y'know, the part where I
    answer your question and make it very clear why these particular
    women should be telling the truth about their weight.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > It isn't your business.

    Are you ashamed of your weight?

    Are you ashamed of your big nose? You seem to stick it everywhere
    it doesn't belong.

    That doesn't even make sense - if I were ashamed of it, I'd keep it
    to myself. Like you do with your weight.

    Nice try. Your lack of security in yourself is not my problem. I
    don't need a number on a scale to feel accepted or rejected.

    You still have nose trouble.

    LV

    Lady Veteran
    - -----------------------------------
    "I rode a tank and held a general's rank
    when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
    - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
    - ------------------------------------------------
    People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
    ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
    motive but malice.
    - ---------------------------------------------
    "Be who you are and say what
    you feel because those who mind don't matter
    and those who matter don't mind."

    - --Unknown
    - -------------------------------

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  18. Lady Veteran said:

    Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:24:28 -0600
    From: Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.diet,
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    geek_girl said:
    Lady Veteran said:

    Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:43:11 -0600
    From: Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.diet,
    alt.support.diet.low-carb, alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,
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    Subject: Re: Study: Fit but fat not good enough

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    On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:11:33 -0600, geek_girl
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >
    >
    >On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Lady Veteran wrote:
    >
    >> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:22:18 -0600
    >> From: Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>
    >> Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.diet,
    >> alt.support.diet.low-carb, alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,
    >> misc.fitness.weights
    >> Subject: Re: Study: Fit but fat not good enough
    >>
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    >> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:37:29 -0500, "Bob M"
    >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry <[email hidden]>
    >> >wrote:
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their
    >> >weight.
    >>
    >> So why should they?
    >
    >You snipped the part that answers that question (although I see
    >you left the attribution). The women in question agreed to
    >participate in a study to gather information related to health
    >and lifestyle, information that might prove useful to many other
    >people. They should tell the truth
    >because if they don't, the information is useless.

    I see you're not addressing this part. Y'know, the part where I
    answer your question and make it very clear why these particular
    women should be telling the truth about their weight.

    Quoted message said:

    >> It isn't your business.
    >
    >Are you ashamed of your weight?

    Are you ashamed of your big nose? You seem to stick it everywhere
    it doesn't belong.

    That doesn't even make sense - if I were ashamed of it, I'd keep it
    to myself. Like you do with your weight.

    Nice try. Your lack of security in yourself is not my problem.

    Logic really isn't your forte, is it?

    Quoted message said:

    I don't need a number on a scale to feel accepted or rejected.

    Then why do you need to be in a support group for overweight people?

    Quoted message said:

    You still have nose trouble.

    Still not doing so well with the logic, I see. You may think I have "nose
    trouble", but I do not agree. Therefore, according to your very own
    "logic", I do not have "nose trouble".

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    geek_girl said:
    Lady Veteran said:

    Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:24:28 -0600
    From: Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.diet,
    alt.support.diet.low-carb, alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,
    misc.fitness.weights
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    geek_girl said:

    On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, Lady Veteran wrote:

    > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:43:11 -0600
    > From: Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>
    > Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.diet,
    > alt.support.diet.low-carb, alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,
    > misc.fitness.weights
    > Subject: Re: Study: Fit but fat not good enough
    >
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    > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:11:33 -0600, geek_girl
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >
    > >On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Lady Veteran wrote:
    > >
    > >> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:22:18 -0600
    > >> From: Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>
    > >> Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.diet,
    > >> alt.support.diet.low-carb,
    > >> alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,
    > >> misc.fitness.weights
    > >> Subject: Re: Study: Fit but fat not good enough
    > >>
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    > >> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:37:29 -0500, "Bob M"
    > >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry
    > >> ><[email hidden]> wrote:

    Nice try. Your lack of security in yourself is not my problem.

    Logic really isn't your forte, is it?

    That isn't logical? Are you saying that you feel comfortable coming
    into a support group and ridiculing the regulars?

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I don't need a number on a scale to feel accepted or rejected.

    Then why do you need to be in a support group for overweight people?


    Because there are idiot who are harrassing those who do.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You still have nose trouble.

    Still not doing so well with the logic, I see. You may think I have
    "nose trouble", but I do not agree. Therefore, according to your
    very own
    "logic", I do not have "nose trouble".

    Yes you do. This is almost as bad as the idiot who wanted to know
    whow fat women changed their tampax.

    You don't get it, do you? Fat people are not as different from thin
    people as you and your fellow idiots seem to think. We all put our
    pants on the same way; the difference is the size of the pants.

    Please go bother someone else.

    LV

    Lady Veteran
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    when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
    - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
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    People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
    ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
    motive but malice.
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  20. Lady Veteran said:
    geek_girl said:
    Lady Veteran said:

    Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:22:18 -0600
    From: Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.diet,
    alt.support.diet.low-carb, alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,
    misc.fitness.weights
    Subject: Re: Study: Fit but fat not good enough

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    On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:37:29 -0500, "Bob M"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >On 23 Dec 2004 02:02:01 -0000, Robin Lowry <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >Oh, that's good. As if most women tell the truth about their
    >weight.

    So why should they?

    You snipped the part that answers that question (although I see you
    left the attribution). The women in question agreed to participate
    in a study to gather information related to health and lifestyle,
    information that might prove useful to many other people. They
    should tell the truth
    because if they don't, the information is useless.

    Quoted message said:

    It isn't your business.

    Are you ashamed of your weight?

    Are you ashamed of your big nose? You seem to stick it everywhere it
    doesn't belong.

    No, but she does apologize for her 'ginormous' calves and butt.

    Meanwhile, how about YOU apologize for all the goddam email
    spamming you do on job lists?

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