Study: Caffeine raises insulin levels

Jenny intoned :

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=571&ncid=751&e=1&u=/nm/20040

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It looks like Caffeine may indeed be a staller.

Rats!

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Jenny wrote:
::
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=571&ncid=751&e=1&u=/nm/20040
:: 726/hl_nm/health_caffeine_dc
::
:: It looks like Caffeine may indeed be a staller. Anything that causes
:: an insulin surge should be avoided by low carb dieters since that
:: insulin will store fat even if it isn't doing a great job of
:: lowering blood sugar.

I think you have oversimplified the matter, Jenny.

14 people in the study and they only tested with a liquid meal?

They tested 14 people on two occasions in a double blind study.

On the days they were observed, participants took their prescribed
diabetes medications according to their usual treatment regimen. After
30 minutes of quiet rest, they provided a blood sample so researchers
could record their baseline fasting glucose level. Participants then
consumed two 125-milligram capsules of caffeine (or placebo) with water.
After a 60-minute interval to allow for caffeine absorption, a second
fasting blood sample was taken. Participants were then given an
additional 125-milligram capsule (caffeine or placebo) to take with a
commercial liquid meal (Boost®) that contained 75 grams of
carbohydrates. The third capsule was provided in order to maintain
caffeine levels in the blood. Additional blood samples were taken from
participants one and two hours after the meal, while they relaxed.

So what they're saying is that within in a 60 minute period, the
participants had 375mg of caffiene.

That's a lot. For breakfast I might have one cup of coffee... lunch
maybe a diet coke.

Coffee has 47-164 milligrams per 5 ounce serving. The caffeine content
depends on how the coffee is brewed -- fresh drip has the highest level,
instant has the lowest.

A single serving of Coca-Cola (12 oz.) measures in with 46 milligrams.

I'm not sure this justifies dropping my cup o' joe in the morning.

Jennifer

Jenny said:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=571&ncid=751&e=1&u=/nm/20040
726/hl_nm/health_caffeine_dc

It looks like Caffeine may indeed be a staller. Anything that causes an
insulin surge should be avoided by low carb dieters since that insulin will
store fat even if it isn't doing a great job of lowering blood sugar.

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.7 .
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

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My blood sugar levels are unaffected by coffee consumption,
and I succesfully lost down to my goal weight while drinking
coffee and diet soft drinks daily. So whatever this study shows,
it is by no means universal, and may depend heavily on current
diet and other factors.

Alan

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=571&ncid=751&e=1&u=/nm/20040

Quoted message said:

726/hl_nm/health_caffeine_dc

It looks like Caffeine may indeed be a staller. Anything that causes an
insulin surge should be avoided by low carb dieters since that insulin

will

Quoted message said:

store fat even if it isn't doing a great job of lowering blood sugar.

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2

diabetes,

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hba1c 5.7 .
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

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Jennifer wrote:
:: 14 people in the study and they only tested with a liquid meal?
::
:: They tested 14 people on two occasions in a double blind study.
::
:: On the days they were observed, participants took their prescribed
:: diabetes medications according to their usual treatment regimen.
:: After 30 minutes of quiet rest, they provided a blood sample so
:: researchers could record their baseline fasting glucose level.
:: Participants then consumed two 125-milligram capsules of caffeine
:: (or placebo) with water. After a 60-minute interval to allow for
:: caffeine absorption, a second fasting blood sample was taken.
:: Participants were then given an additional 125-milligram capsule
:: (caffeine or placebo) to take with a commercial liquid meal (Boost®)
:: that contained 75 grams of carbohydrates. The third capsule was
:: provided in order to maintain caffeine levels in the blood.
:: Additional blood samples were taken from participants one and two
:: hours after the meal, while they relaxed.
::
:: So what they're saying is that within in a 60 minute period, the
:: participants had 375mg of caffiene.
::
:: That's a lot. For breakfast I might have one cup of coffee... lunch
:: maybe a diet coke.
::
:: Coffee has 47-164 milligrams per 5 ounce serving. The caffeine
:: content depends on how the coffee is brewed -- fresh drip has the
:: highest level, instant has the lowest.
::
:: A single serving of Coca-Cola (12 oz.) measures in with 46
:: milligrams.
::
:: I'm not sure this justifies dropping my cup o' joe in the morning.
::
:: Jennifer

Somewhere in the article they said "Habitual coffee drinkers."

::
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:: Jenny wrote:
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:::
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=571&ncid=751&e=1&u=/nm/20040
::: 726/hl_nm/health_caffeine_dc
:::
::: It looks like Caffeine may indeed be a staller. Anything that
::: causes an insulin surge should be avoided by low carb dieters since
::: that insulin will store fat even if it isn't doing a great job of
::: lowering blood sugar.
:::
::: -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2
::: diabetes, hba1c 5.7 .
::: Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!
:::
::: Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
::: strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
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:::
::: Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
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I would suggest these test subjects were fed a good dose of carbs that
increased their bg and thereby their insulin. What if your meal was just
eggs and bacon, no toast--or chicken salad and no rolls? Without the carbs,
there's no bg rise and hence no insulin increase. So there should not be fat
storage. It's a matter of when to be careful of drinking caffeine
beverages....just a theory.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=571&ncid=751&e=1&u=/nm/20040

Quoted message said:

726/hl_nm/health_caffeine_dc

It looks like Caffeine may indeed be a staller. Anything that causes an
insulin surge should be avoided by low carb dieters since that insulin

will

Quoted message said:

store fat even if it isn't doing a great job of lowering blood sugar.

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2

diabetes,

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hba1c 5.7 .
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

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strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
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Quoted message said:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=571&ncid=751&e=1&u=/nm/20040
726/hl_nm/health_caffeine_dc

It looks like Caffeine may indeed be a staller. Anything that causes an
insulin surge should be avoided by low carb dieters since that insulin will
store fat even if it isn't doing a great job of lowering blood sugar.

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.7 .
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

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seems a bit premature to me to make any conclusion unless you are T2.

billydee said:

seems a bit premature to me to make any conclusion unless you are T2.

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Tarkus said:

billydee said:

seems a bit premature to me to make any conclusion unless you are T2.

Terminator 2?

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Jennifer,

I just got an expresso machine for my birthday. I'm not about to give it
away. <g>

But if I were stalled and drinking 3 or 4 cups a day, it would be the
obvious place to start. And when I do make coffee I make it 1/2 regular and
1/2 decaf, so that I don't drink more than 1 real cup a day.

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.7 .
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
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Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

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14 people in the study and they only tested with a liquid meal?

They tested 14 people on two occasions in a double blind study.

On the days they were observed, participants took their prescribed
diabetes medications according to their usual treatment regimen. After
30 minutes of quiet rest, they provided a blood sample so researchers
could record their baseline fasting glucose level. Participants then
consumed two 125-milligram capsules of caffeine (or placebo) with water.
After a 60-minute interval to allow for caffeine absorption, a second
fasting blood sample was taken. Participants were then given an
additional 125-milligram capsule (caffeine or placebo) to take with a
commercial liquid meal (Boost®) that contained 75 grams of
carbohydrates. The third capsule was provided in order to maintain
caffeine levels in the blood. Additional blood samples were taken from
participants one and two hours after the meal, while they relaxed.

So what they're saying is that within in a 60 minute period, the
participants had 375mg of caffiene.

That's a lot. For breakfast I might have one cup of coffee... lunch
maybe a diet coke.

Coffee has 47-164 milligrams per 5 ounce serving. The caffeine content
depends on how the coffee is brewed -- fresh drip has the highest level,
instant has the lowest.

A single serving of Coca-Cola (12 oz.) measures in with 46 milligrams.

I'm not sure this justifies dropping my cup o' joe in the morning.

Jennifer

Jenny said:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=571&ncid=751&e=1&u=/nm/20040

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

726/hl_nm/health_caffeine_dc

It looks like Caffeine may indeed be a staller. Anything that causes an
insulin surge should be avoided by low carb dieters since that insulin

will

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

store fat even if it isn't doing a great job of lowering blood sugar.

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2

diabetes,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

hba1c 5.7 .
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes,
strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

And you'll have to pry my morning tall vente out of my cold dead hands ; )

Jennifer

Jenny said:

Jennifer,

I just got an expresso machine for my birthday. I'm not about to give it
away. <g>

But if I were stalled and drinking 3 or 4 cups a day, it would be the
obvious place to start. And when I do make coffee I make it 1/2 regular and
1/2 decaf, so that I don't drink more than 1 real cup a day.

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.7 .

Jennifer said:

They tested 14 people on two occasions in a double blind study.

Well, double-blind is a good start, but unless you are measuring the
right things, you are still likely to get the wrong answer. I didn't
see anything in the summary that detailed what these people were
eating, so I would have to read the actual study to see if it had any
merit at all.

Roughly half of all the nutritional studies that I have read have had
flaws serious enough that they would not have gotten a passing grade
in a well-run undergraduate biology class. Typical problems include
not gathering enough data, gathering the wrong data, exclusion of
dropouts, hidden agendas, invalid generalizations, and suspect
financial sources.

From the studies I have read, the typical study appears to follow
these steps, in this order:

1) Write down a conclusion
2) Get backing & funding from people who agree with that conclusion
3) Organize a study designed to support that conclusion
4) Discard any data that doesn't support that conclusion (tactics for
this include ignoring dropouts, and labelling any subject that doesn't
get the desired results as 'noncompliant'😉
5) Get the study "peer-reviewed" by members of some mutual-admiration
society
6) Publish the study in the mutual-admiration society's journal
7) Cite the conclusion as proof of something

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