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  1. Study: Body mass affects sperm quality

    PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Beer bellies may take a toll on men
    below the belt, not just around it.

    Men who weigh too much are more likely to have poor sperm quality, research
    on nearly 1,600 young Danish men has found. Being too thin is a problem,
    too.

    Women don't get off the hook. Though it's long been known that very
    overweight women have trouble conceiving naturally, a large new study
    confirms they also are less likely to become pregnant even when embryos are
    fertilized in lab dishes and placed in their wombs.

    "Among the severely obese, we saw significantly reduced implantation and
    pregnancy rates," said Dr. David Ryley of Beth Israel Deaconess Medical
    Center in Boston. He presented results of the women's study this week at a
    meeting of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine.

    The sperm study was done by doctors at various hospitals and universities
    in Denmark and published in the October issue of the reproductive society's
    journal, Fertility & Sterility.

    It involved 1,558 men, average age 19, who volunteered to give a semen
    sample during mandatory exams to determine their fitness for military
    service in two cities, Amsterdam and Aalborg.

    Sperm counts, sperm concentration, semen volume and other measures of sperm
    quality such as shape and motility were measured, along with testicle size
    and hormone levels. Researchers also calculated each man's body mass index,
    a measure of obesity that takes into account height and weight.

    Scores for men with healthy BMIs -- between 20 and 25, or 139 to 174 pounds
    for a man who is 5-foot-10 -- were compared to those of men above and below
    that range.

    Sperm counts and sperm concentration were 28.1 percent and 36.4 percent
    lower respectively in underweight men. The same measures were 21.6 percent
    and 23.9 percent lower respectively in overweight men.

    Why this may be happening is unclear.

    "Low BMI can result from a 'healthy lifestyle' but may also be due to many
    chronic diseases," the authors write.

    The biological explanation or mechanism also may be different in
    underweight and overweight men, they note.

    "It may be an alteration in hormonal values," said Dr. Anthony J. Thomas
    Jr., a Cleveland Clinic urologist who is president of the Society for Male
    Reproduction and Urology and was not involved in the study.

    Men produce and need a certain amount of the female hormone estrogen. Fat
    cells produce estrogen, so too much or too little of it may be a problem.

    "There's a balance, and that balance is the milieu in which sperm
    develops," Anthony said.

    Other research suggests that smoking and heavy alcohol use also harm sperm
    production, he said. The new study is a reminder that doctors should always
    check a man for signs of infertility when couples are having trouble
    getting pregnant because the problem is just as likely to involve men as
    women.

    "It's not uncommon for a man to come in after his wife has had a million
    tests" and then discovered to have sperm problems, Thomas said. "It's
    probably one of the first things a doctor should do."

    The other study on women involved 5,847 attempts at in vitro fertilization
    in which embryos are fertilized in a lab dish, at Beth Israel's infertility
    clinic, Boston IVF.

    Obese women -- whose BMIs were 35 and over -- had little more than a 1 in 5
    chance of becoming pregnant through IVF; the odds were better than 1 in 4
    for women with healthy weights. Embryos were also less likely to implant in
    the fat women.

    Overweight women have irregular periods and lower ovulation rates, making
    it harder for them to get pregnant naturally, Ryley said. When given
    fertility treatments, they often need higher doses of drugs and for a
    longer time to spur ovulation, he said.

    His study didn't find that very thin women had more trouble conceiving as
    some previous research has suggested.

  2. Keisha Sweet said:

    Scores for men with healthy BMIs -- between 20 and 25, or
    139 to 174 pounds for a man who is 5-foot-10 -- were
    compared to those of men above and below that range.

    Sperm counts and sperm concentration were 28.1 percent and
    36.4 percent lower respectively in underweight men. The same
    measures were 21.6 percent and 23.9 percent lower
    respectively in overweight men.

    Why this may be happening is unclear.

    "Low BMI can result from a 'healthy lifestyle' but may also
    be due to many chronic diseases," the authors write.

    True, or it might be that being skinny reduces sperm quality.
    It might be more edifying to consider both bodyfat and lean body
    mass as independent variables. With 1600 subjects, they should
    have had a large enough sample to do that.

    --
    -Wayne

  3. "Wayne S. Hill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Keisha Sweet said:

    Scores for men with healthy BMIs -- between 20 and 25, or
    139 to 174 pounds for a man who is 5-foot-10 -- were
    compared to those of men above and below that range.

    Sperm counts and sperm concentration were 28.1 percent and
    36.4 percent lower respectively in underweight men. The same
    measures were 21.6 percent and 23.9 percent lower
    respectively in overweight men.

    Why this may be happening is unclear.

    "Low BMI can result from a 'healthy lifestyle' but may also
    be due to many chronic diseases," the authors write.

    True, or it might be that being skinny reduces sperm quality.
    It might be more edifying to consider both bodyfat and lean body
    mass as independent variables. With 1600 subjects, they should
    have had a large enough sample to do that.

    That is true.

    The added expense probably killed that idea.

    Along with the fact that it would have actually been a USEFUL study.

    Hard to get those kind of things approved.

  4. "Wayne S. Hill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Keisha Sweet said:

    Scores for men with healthy BMIs -- between 20 and 25, or
    139 to 174 pounds for a man who is 5-foot-10 -- were
    compared to those of men above and below that range.

    Sperm counts and sperm concentration were 28.1 percent and
    36.4 percent lower respectively in underweight men. The same
    measures were 21.6 percent and 23.9 percent lower
    respectively in overweight men.

    Why this may be happening is unclear.

    "Low BMI can result from a 'healthy lifestyle' but may also
    be due to many chronic diseases," the authors write.

    True, or it might be that being skinny reduces sperm quality.
    It might be more edifying to consider both bodyfat and lean body
    mass as independent variables. With 1600 subjects, they should
    have had a large enough sample to do that.

    --
    -Wayne

    Keisha Sweet is a great pornstar name.

    Randy

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    On 22 Oct 2004 11:28:28 -0000, [email hidden] (Keisha

    Sweet) said:

    Study: Body mass affects sperm quality

    PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Beer bellies may take a toll on
    men below the belt, not just around it.

    Men who weigh too much are more likely to have poor sperm quality,
    research on nearly 1,600 young Danish men has found. Being too thin
    is a problem, too.

    Women don't get off the hook. Though it's long been known that very
    overweight women have trouble conceiving naturally, a large new
    study confirms they also are less likely to become pregnant even
    when embryos are fertilized in lab dishes and placed in their wombs.

    Yep-that is why there are so may fat women with children.

    Get a job you stupid [censored].

    LV

    Lady Veteran
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    Lady Veteran
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    - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
    - ------------------------------------------------
    People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
    ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
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  6. Lady Veteran said:

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    On 22 Oct 2004 11:28:28 -0000, [email hidden] (Keisha

    Sweet) said:

    Study: Body mass affects sperm quality

    PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Beer bellies may take a toll on
    men below the belt, not just around it.

    Men who weigh too much are more likely to have poor sperm quality,
    research on nearly 1,600 young Danish men has found. Being too thin
    is a problem, too.

    Women don't get off the hook. Though it's long been known that very
    overweight women have trouble conceiving naturally, a large new
    study confirms they also are less likely to become pregnant even
    when embryos are fertilized in lab dishes and placed in their wombs.

    Yep-that is why there are so may fat women with children.

    Get a job you stupid [censored].

    Learn, you fat [censored].

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Display&dopt=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=12926529

    Lyle

  7. On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:14:55 -0500, Lady Veteran <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

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    On 22 Oct 2004 11:28:28 -0000, [email hidden] (Keisha

    Sweet) said:

    Study: Body mass affects sperm quality

    PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Beer bellies may take a toll on
    men below the belt, not just around it.

    Men who weigh too much are more likely to have poor sperm quality,
    research on nearly 1,600 young Danish men has found. Being too thin
    is a problem, too.

    Women don't get off the hook. Though it's long been known that very
    overweight women have trouble conceiving naturally, a large new
    study confirms they also are less likely to become pregnant even
    when embryos are fertilized in lab dishes and placed in their wombs.

    Yep-that is why there are so may fat women with children.

    Get a job you stupid [censored].

    Bless you gentle lady, how nice to see that you are still gracing the
    halls of Usenet with your fragrance!!

    Have a great weekend - I intend to!! ;o)

    TFIF!!

    [...]

  8. Keisha Sweet quoted:

    Quoted message said:


    Study: Body mass affects sperm quality

    PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Beer bellies may take a toll on men
    below the belt, not just around it.

    Sperm counts and sperm concentration were 28.1 percent and 36.4 percent
    lower respectively in underweight men. The same measures were 21.6 percent
    and 23.9 percent lower respectively in overweight men.

    Why this may be happening is unclear.

    Why is it such a mystery?

    A body that is underweight is worried about starvation. There
    would be avolutionary pressure to avoid pregnancy during a famine.

    A body overweight but not so overweight as to be ill is not
    worried about starvation. There would not be evolutionary pressure
    to avoid pregnancy during times of plentifull food. So their
    overweight subjects were eating poorly rather than excessively.

  9. Doug Freyburger said:

    Keisha Sweet quoted:

    Quoted message said:

    Study: Body mass affects sperm quality

    PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Beer bellies may take a toll on men
    below the belt, not just around it.

    Sperm counts and sperm concentration were 28.1 percent and 36.4 percent
    lower respectively in underweight men. The same measures were 21.6 percent
    and 23.9 percent lower respectively in overweight men.

    Why this may be happening is unclear.

    Why is it such a mystery?

    A body that is underweight is worried about starvation. There
    would be avolutionary pressure to avoid pregnancy during a famine.

    A body overweight but not so overweight as to be ill is not
    worried about starvation. There would not be evolutionary pressure
    to avoid pregnancy during times of plentifull food. So their
    overweight subjects were eating poorly rather than excessively.

    Except that, with extreme overweight, an equal set of problems occurs.
    Women with abdominal fat and a waist/hip ratio far out of the norm
    (which happens to coincide with optimal attraction, about 0.7 or so) has
    lower fertility. Men with extreme obesity show decrements in hormones
    like testosterone and such and a decrease in fertility.

    Lots of data on this although I don't expect you fat acceptance folks to
    be aware of it.

    Point being: relationship of fertility to weight is an inverted U, both
    extreme under and overweight leads to decreased fertility and there is
    an optimal level right in the middle range.

    Lyle

  10. "Lady Veteran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

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    Lyle McDonald said:
    Lady Veteran said:

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    On 22 Oct 2004 11:28:28 -0000, [email hidden] (Keisha
    Sweet) wrote:

    >Study: Body mass affects sperm quality
    >
    >PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Beer bellies may take a toll on
    >men below the belt, not just around it.
    >
    >Men who weigh too much are more likely to have poor sperm quality,
    >research on nearly 1,600 young Danish men has found. Being too
    >thin is a problem, too.
    >
    >Women don't get off the hook. Though it's long been known that
    >very overweight women have trouble conceiving naturally, a large
    >new
    >study confirms they also are less likely to become pregnant even
    >when embryos are fertilized in lab dishes and placed in their
    >wombs.

    Yep-that is why there are so may fat women with children.

    Get a job you stupid [censored].

    Learn, you fat [censored].

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Display&d
    opt=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=12926529

    Lyle

    stick it up your ass [censored] spawn.

    I wouldn't trust the French to wipe your ass.They would probably
    get your face because they look the same.

    Can you cite peer reviewed publications to back up your claim?

    Or was your response simply an knee jerk reaction.

    Sounds like the latter.

    Regards,

    Richard

    Quoted message said:

    LV

    Lady Veteran
    - -----------------------------------
    "I rode a tank and held a general's rank
    when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
    - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
    - ------------------------------------------------
    People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
    ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
    motive but malice.
    - ---------------------------------------------
    For every person with a spark of genius, there
    are a hundred more with ignition trouble.
    - -Unknown
    - -------------------------------

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  11. Richard Smith said:

    "Lady Veteran" wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Lyle McDonald wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Learn, you fat [censored].

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    stick it up your ass [censored] spawn.

    Quoted message said:

    Can you cite peer reviewed publications to back up your claim?

    She's confusing Lyle with her only usenet friend Steve Chaney whose
    mom at age 14 shat him into a Greyhound Bus Station toilet.

    miguel

  12. fat smelly lesbian said:


    On 22 Oct 2004 11:28:28 -0000, [email hidden] (Keisha

    Sweet) said:

    Study: Body mass affects sperm quality

    PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Beer bellies may take a toll on
    men below the belt, not just around it.

    Men who weigh too much are more likely to have poor sperm quality,
    research on nearly 1,600 young Danish men has found. Being too thin
    is a problem, too.

    Women don't get off the hook. Though it's long been known that very
    overweight women have trouble conceiving naturally, a large new
    study confirms they also are less likely to become pregnant even
    when embryos are fertilized in lab dishes and placed in their wombs.

    Yep-that is why there are so may fat women with children.

    Does sperm count affect the taste of your beloved boar semen?

    Quoted message said:


    Get a job you stupid [censored].

    Are you still living at the Budget Suites of America in Irving?

    Yours in Christ,

    Marty

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    "Lady Veteran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

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    Lyle McDonald said:

    Lady Veteran wrote:

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    > On 22 Oct 2004 11:28:28 -0000, [email hidden]
    > (Keisha Sweet) wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Study: Body mass affects sperm quality
    >>
    >>PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Beer bellies may take a toll
    >>on men below the belt, not just around it.
    >>
    >>Men who weigh too much are more likely to have poor sperm
    >>quality, research on nearly 1,600 young Danish men has found.
    >>Being too thin is a problem, too.
    >>
    >>Women don't get off the hook. Though it's long been known that
    >>very overweight women have trouble conceiving naturally, a
    >>large new
    >>study confirms they also are less likely to become pregnant
    >>even when embryos are fertilized in lab dishes and placed in
    >>their wombs.
    >
    > Yep-that is why there are so may fat women with children.
    >
    > Get a job you stupid [censored].

    Learn, you fat [censored].

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Displa
    y&d opt=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=12926529

    Lyle

    stick it up your ass [censored] spawn.

    I wouldn't trust the French to wipe your ass.They would probably
    get your face because they look the same.

    Can you cite peer reviewed publications to back up your claim?

    Or was your response simply an knee jerk reaction.

    Sounds like the latter.

    Regards,

    Richard


    Don't need it. Idiots are very easy to recognize.

    LV

    Lady Veteran
    - -----------------------------------
    "I rode a tank and held a general's rank
    when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
    - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
    - ------------------------------------------------
    People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
    ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
    motive but malice.
    - ---------------------------------------------
    For every person with a spark of genius, there
    are a hundred more with ignition trouble.
    - -Unknown
    - -------------------------------

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    (Marty) said:
    fat smelly lesbian said:

    On 22 Oct 2004 11:28:28 -0000, [email hidden] (Keisha

    Sweet) said:

    >
    Study: Body mass affects sperm quality

    PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Beer bellies may take a toll on
    men below the belt, not just around it.

    Men who weigh too much are more likely to have poor sperm quality,
    research on nearly 1,600 young Danish men has found. Being too
    thin is a problem, too.

    Women don't get off the hook. Though it's long been known that
    very overweight women have trouble conceiving naturally, a large
    new
    study confirms they also are less likely to become pregnant even
    when embryos are fertilized in lab dishes and placed in their
    wombs.

    Yep-that is why there are so may fat women with children.

    Does sperm count affect the taste of your beloved boar semen?

    You answer that question [censored]. You are the one going on and
    on....like the useless [censored] you are. Have you found a job yet
    [censored]? A delusional [censored] like you who thinks he is divine and
    inspired should be willing to face his critics.

    ....yeah...right....devinly inspiores...son of a [censored]...right....

    So has you kitties seen their vet yet you miserable son of a [censored]?

    LV

    Lady Veteran
    - -----------------------------------
    "I rode a tank and held a general's rank
    when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
    - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
    - ------------------------------------------------
    People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
    ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
    motive but malice.
    - ---------------------------------------------
    For every person with a spark of genius, there
    are a hundred more with ignition trouble.
    - -Unknown
    - -------------------------------

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    "Lady Veteran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:23:13 -0600, Lyle McDonald
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Lady Veteran wrote:
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    >> On 22 Oct 2004 11:28:28 -0000, [email hidden]
    >> (Keisha Sweet) wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Study: Body mass affects sperm quality
    >>>
    >>>PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Beer bellies may take a toll
    >>>on men below the belt, not just around it.
    >>>
    >>>Men who weigh too much are more likely to have poor sperm
    >>>quality, research on nearly 1,600 young Danish men has found.
    >>>Being too thin is a problem, too.
    >>>
    >>>Women don't get off the hook. Though it's long been known that
    >>>very overweight women have trouble conceiving naturally, a
    >>>large new
    >>>study confirms they also are less likely to become pregnant
    >>>even when embryos are fertilized in lab dishes and placed in
    >>>their wombs.
    >>
    >> Yep-that is why there are so may fat women with children.
    >>
    >> Get a job you stupid [censored].
    >
    >Learn, you fat [censored].
    >
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Displa
    >y&d opt=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=12926529
    >
    >Lyle

    stick it up your ass [censored] spawn.

    I wouldn't trust the French to wipe your ass.They would probably
    get your face because they look the same.

    Can you cite peer reviewed publications to back up your claim?

    Or was your response simply an knee jerk reaction.

    Sounds like the latter.

    Regards,

    Richard


    Don't need it. Idiots are very easy to recognize.

    Thank you for the living example.

    Your input is recognised and valuable.

    Richard

    Quoted message said:


    LV

    Lady Veteran
    - -----------------------------------
    "I rode a tank and held a general's rank
    when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
    - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
    - ------------------------------------------------
    People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
    ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
    motive but malice.
    - ---------------------------------------------
    For every person with a spark of genius, there
    are a hundred more with ignition trouble.
    - -Unknown
    - -------------------------------

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    (Marty) said:
    fat smelly lesbian said:

    ...yeah...right....devinly inspiores...son of a [censored]...right....

    So has you kitties seen their vet yet you miserable son of a
    [censored]?

    You write like a [censored] mexican. You should take an English as a
    second language class at your local community college. Financial
    aid is available for residents of cheap motels, so it should not
    cost you a penny.

    Yours in Christ,

    Marty

    Where did you take yours, [censored]?

    LV

    Lady Veteran
    - -----------------------------------
    "I rode a tank and held a general's rank
    when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
    - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
    - ------------------------------------------------
    People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
    ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
    motive but malice.
    - ---------------------------------------------
    For every person with a spark of genius, there
    are a hundred more with ignition trouble.
    - -Unknown
    - -------------------------------

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  17. (Marty) said:


    fat smelly lesbian said:


    ...yeah...right....devinly inspiores...son of a [censored]...right....

    So has you kitties seen their vet yet you miserable son of a [censored]?

    You write like a [censored] mexican. You should take an English as a second
    language class at your local community college. Financial aid is available
    for residents of cheap motels, so it should not cost you a penny.

    Lady Veteran would benefit from a good adult literacy program.

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    On 25 Oct 2004 11:24:01 -0000, [email hidden] (Karen Milford)

    Quoted message said:
    (Marty) said:


    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, fat smelly lesbian <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    ...yeah...right....devinly inspiores...son of a [censored]...right....

    So has you kitties seen their vet yet you miserable son of a
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    You write like a [censored] mexican. You should take an English as a
    second language class at your local community college. Financial
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    Lady Veteran would benefit from a good adult literacy program.


    You would benefit from a brain transplant but we can't have
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    LVC

    Lady Veteran
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  19. Lyle McDonald said:

    Point being: relationship of fertility to weight is an inverted U, both
    extreme under and overweight leads to decreased fertility and there is
    an optimal level right in the middle range.

    So what's your excuse, single, unmarried, living off Mommy and Daddy?

  20. "MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    So what's your excuse, single, unmarried, living off Mommy and Daddy?

    You just described my last boyfriend. :-)

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