Streetmap - 1:50k to go?

On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:58:18 GMT, [email hidden] (RJ

Webb) said:

Anyone noticed Streetmap is playing up at the moment. I can now only get 1:50000 maps by manually
changint the Z= field in the URL to 3 or
4. The zoom just goes from streetlevel to Barts road map.

With added popups! What a pain.

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RJ Webb said:

Anyone noticed Streetmap is playing up at the moment. I can now only get 1:50000 maps by manually
changint the Z= field in the URL to 3 or
4. The zoom just goes from streetlevel to Barts road map.

Has there been a falling out with the O$. Is this the end of the ride? Hope not, as I will soon
lose weight by having to walk to the map shelves when looking a place up while on the computer.

Anyone know anything?

Richard Webb

It wasn't even doing that last night for me - it's been playing up like this for a couple of days.

Yes, I noticed it too, went from small to uselessly large.

KRO

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Quoted message said:

Anyone noticed Streetmap is playing up at the moment. I can now only get 1:50000 maps by manually
changint the Z= field in the URL to 3 or
4. The zoom just goes from streetlevel to Barts road map.

Has there been a falling out with the O$. Is this the end of the ride? Hope not, as I will soon
lose weight by having to walk to the map shelves when looking a place up while on the computer.

Anyone know anything?

A little, below is part of an e-mail I received from Streetmap about this issue:

Due to a change in the licencing structure, which came into effect from the 1st of November, we can
no longer provide the 1:50 k maps on a free basis to everyone. This situation means that we now have
to pay for every map being downloaded ( previously we had a fixed annual charge ) and with the low
return on advertising ( due to people not clicking on ads ) especially with the advent of ad
blocking software we can not afford to subsidise the usage of these maps.

However we are looking into changing the site layout ( !! hopefully !! by the weekend ) which should
allow users who need to view the 1:50 k maps to do so without incurring additional fee's for us..
However you will have to consciously select a 1:50 k map icon from the bar below the map.

Alternatively you can download a copy of the desktop version of Pocketstreetmap which contains
access to the 1:50 k maps ( please see the link below ). Though I must stress this product is for
"personal" use ie finding your way around.

btex.co.ukstreetmapw32.exeOpen ↗

Not sure if that helps, but at least you know it is "officially" down.

Have fun, Paul

In a recent message <[email hidden]>, Paul Cummings
<[email hidden]> wrote.

[...]

Quoted message said:

Alternatively you can download a copy of the desktop version of Pocketstreetmap which contains
access to the 1:50 k maps ( please see the link below ). Though I must stress this product is for
"personal" use ie finding your way around.

btex.co.ukstreetmapw32.exeOpen ↗

[...]

Thanks for this, I downloaded streetmap32.exe yesterday evening, so I've only got five days left of
the trial period.

It's good, right enough, but I don't think I'll buy it when the demo expires. I would have found it
very useful to be able to click on the map and have it give me an OS grid reference. Better yet, it
would be nice to be able to set waypoints on the map and save them as a text file for sending to a
GPS. That is something I would most definitely pay for.

So, I'll have to continue using GARtrip and scanned maps for the time being, but thank you again for
the very interesting link.

Regards, Nick.

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In a recent message <[email hidden]>, Mike Clark <[email hidden]> wrote.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So, I'll have to continue using GARtrip and scanned maps for the time being, but thank you again
for the very interesting link.

Quoted message said:

But of course by declaring that you are admitting to breaking the law on copyright of the OS maps
unless you are sticking to very old ones.

[...]

Did we have this conversation before? I do buy the OS maps that I scan and I do not give away or
sell copies to anyone else. If there is no loss to the OS there is no crime; it's not as if I were
depriving the OS of revenue (quite the reverse, in fact).

Now, you are supposed to respond to this with a message starting with 'But that's not the point...'
<g>. And I respond to that by saying 'but what about the fragments of OS map that you can download
from the OS web site, would it be all right to save *these* as bitmaps and then calibrate them with
GARtrip?'.

Regards, Nick.

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Quoted message said:

"Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Nick Hopton said:

It's good, right enough, but I don't think I'll buy it when the demo expires. I would have
found it very useful to be able to click on the map and have it give me an OS grid reference.
Better yet, it would be nice to be able to set waypoints on the map and save them as a text
file for sending to a GPS. That is something I would most definitely pay for.

And you can pay for that.

Anquet Maps Memory Map Fugawi

Take your pick.

Paul

Rant mode on. Now the OS is partly public owned - yes? Like the Met Office they seem to have the
best of both worlds, take my tax and then charge me again to use something I've already paid for.
It stinks.

You would be paying more tax towards it if you didn't pay as much for their products but you would
be being subsidised by the tax payers who do not use the OS products.

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Much like all their fat cat directors.
ordnancesurvey.co.ukdirectors.htmlOpen ↗ Everyone an outdoors map
using fanatic! Harveys don't get any of my money, their maps are only slightly dearer.

And they only produce maps for the popular (hence profitable) areas unlike the OS.

What annoys me is that (much) cheaper digital cartography would allow far more use of the
information. This would not just make life better but would also stimulate growth in businesses
producing products using it at the same time making businesses using it more effective.

The OS may loose some profit but the government would gain from the greater tax revenue from the
producer and user sectors.

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url=''URL:/url said:

In a recent message <[email hidden]>, Paul Cummings
<[email hidden]> wrote.

[...]

Quoted message said:

Alternatively you can download a copy of the desktop version of Pocketstreetmap which contains
access to the 1:50 k maps ( please see the link below ). Though I must stress this product is for
"personal" use ie finding your way around.

btex.co.ukstreetmapw32.exeOpen ↗

[snip]

Quoted message said:

So, I'll have to continue using GARtrip and scanned maps for the time being, but thank you again
for the very interesting link.

But of course by declaring that you are admitting to breaking the law on copyright of the OS maps
unless you are sticking to very old ones.

Mike <URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/>
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Nick Hopton said:

It's good, right enough, but I don't think I'll buy it when the demo expires. I would have found
it very useful to be able to click on the map and have it give me an OS grid reference. Better
yet, it would be nice to be able to set waypoints on the map and save them as a text file for
sending to a GPS. That is something I would most definitely pay for.

And you can pay for that.

Anquet Maps Memory Map Fugawi

Take your pick.

Paul
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Quoted message said:

Nick Hopton said:

It's good, right enough, but I don't think I'll buy it when the demo expires. I would have found
it very useful to be able to click on the map and have it give me an OS grid reference. Better
yet, it would be nice to be able to set waypoints on the map and save them as a text file for
sending to a GPS. That is something I would most definitely pay for.

And you can pay for that.

Anquet Maps Memory Map Fugawi

Take your pick.

Paul

Rant mode on. Now the OS is partly public owned - yes? Like the Met Office they seem to have
the best of both worlds, take my tax and then charge me again to use something I've already
paid for. It stinks. Much like all their fat cat directors.
ordnancesurvey.co.ukdirectors.htmlOpen ↗ Everyone an outdoors
map using fanatic! Harveys don't get any of my money, their maps are only slightly dearer.
Rant mode off.

KRO

In article <[email hidden]>, Nick Hopton

url=''URL:/url said:

In a recent message <[email hidden]>, Mike Clark
<[email hidden]> wrote.

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So, I'll have to continue using GARtrip and scanned maps for the time being, but thank you
again for the very interesting link.

Quoted message said:

But of course by declaring that you are admitting to breaking the law on copyright of the OS maps
unless you are sticking to very old ones.

[...]

Did we have this conversation before?

<g> Yes, it's done the rounds before.

Quoted message said:

I do buy the OS maps that I scan and I do not give away or sell copies to anyone else. If there is
no loss to the OS there is no crime; it's not as if I were depriving the OS of revenue (quite the
reverse, in fact).

But the OS would rather you paid both for the paper map and for the electronic version. They regard
them as separate products distributed under different licences.

Quoted message said:

Now, you are supposed to respond to this with a message starting with 'But that's not the
point...' <g>.

Yes. But that's not the point...

Quoted message said:

And I respond to that by saying 'but what about the fragments of OS map that you can download from
the OS web site, would it be all right to save *these* as bitmaps and then calibrate them with
GARtrip?'.

It depends what the licence condition is on the fragment you download.

This whole thread has started because Streetmap (and Multimap) have recently withdrawn options on
their menus to view some OS maps. This is because every time a map is displayed a license payment is
due to the OS.

Mike <URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/>
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Quoted message said:

You would be paying more tax towards it if you didn't pay as much for their products but you would
be being subsidised by the tax payers who do not use the OS products.

Just like the Met Office then, they get it both ways. I'm fed up with everything being in "their"
favour. And as a top rate taxpayer, I'm used to subsidising lots of groups, who use services I
don't. It works both ways.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Much like all their fat cat directors.
ordnancesurvey.co.ukdirectors.htmlOpen ↗ Everyone an outdoors map
using fanatic! Harveys don't get any of my

money,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

their maps are only slightly dearer.

And they only produce maps for the popular (hence profitable) areas unlike the OS.

Yes, you are correct there, but is there no-one else except the OS who map the whole UK? (Thats a
genuine question, rant mode is off!)

Quoted message said:

What annoys me is that (much) cheaper digital cartography would allow far more use of the
information. This would not just make life better but would also stimulate growth in businesses
producing products using it at the same time making businesses using it more effective.

The OS may loose some profit but the government would gain from the greater tax revenue from the
producer and user sectors.

I don't believe the OS should make any profit, same as the Met Office, but I believe this argument
would have been better taking place in the 80's when it may have changed something. The government
wouldn't gain any money, this would imply they have money - they don't - they use ours. Now I'm off
to find a decent weather forecast for tomorrow that I don't need to pay twice for
:-)

Happy walking. KRO