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  1. Alan Holmes said:

    "????" <????@????> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years
    back. Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

    You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying
    I had averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

    There's a major difference between achieving a high speed over a short
    distance and a long one. The feat you claimed is beyond the powers of
    professional cyclist, yet you apparently did it on a heavily laden
    touring bike without particulary trying. Anyone can get to 47 mph down
    a steep hill. All it takes is a lack of imagination.

    FWIW I don't believe you are a liar. I'm sure you honestly believe you
    did what you claim. I just don't accept it's within the realms of the
    possible.

    --
    Dave...

  2. Alan Holmes said:


    "????" <????@????> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dylan Smith said:

    Have the police ever pulled a cyclist over in a radar trap? Have
    cyclists ever set off a GATSO?

    My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
    Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

    You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
    averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

    Alan, may I suggest something?

    Get yourself a bike - any bike.

    Set it up with an accurately calibrated computer.

    Take a mile long stretch of road - any mile long stretch of road.

    Cycle it back and forth in each direction in one go as fast as you possibly can.

    Now, look at the speed you achieved and ask yourself, seriously, could you have
    managed to keep up anything like that speed for 42 times the distance on a
    loaded bike.

    I'm sure that the readings you got and the measurements you took did indicate
    the speed and distance you claim, but there really *has* to be an error
    somewhere.

  3. In article said:


    "????" <????@????> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
    Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

    You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
    averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

    It was gently suggested that you might be mistaken, rather than anyone
    assuming you were deliberately deceitful, at least in the threads I've
    seen. You have repeated shown that your observation skills and/or memory
    are problematic at times.

    If ??? claimed his brother had averaged 29.5 over 84 hilly miles on
    a loaded three speed tourer, he'd be wrong too. If you claimed to have
    reached 47mph at one time on an unspecified bike and slope, you would
    probably be beleived if you had a reasonable posting history.

  4. On 13/04/2007 11:53, Alan Holmes said,

    Quoted message said:

    You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
    averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

    That's because your name isn't in the list of world speed/distance
    record holders :-)

    --
    Paul Boyd
    http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, Alan Holmes
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:


    "????" <????@????> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dylan Smith said:

    Have the police ever pulled a cyclist over in a radar trap? Have
    cyclists ever set off a GATSO?

    My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
    Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

    You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
    averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!


    A liar, or just mistaken/deluded?

  6. Rob Morley wrote on 13/04/2007 15:12 +0100:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
    averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!


    A liar, or just mistaken/deluded?

    To say he had was a lie. To say he believed he had would not be ;-)

    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

  7. "Paul Boyd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On 13/04/2007 11:53, Alan Holmes said,

    Quoted message said:

    You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
    averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

    That's because your name isn't in the list of world speed/distance record
    holders :-)

    I'm not interested in 'records', I just cycled for pleasure and
    neccessity!(:-)

  8. "Ziggy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:53:19 GMT, "Alan Holmes" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "????" <????@????> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Have the police ever pulled a cyclist over in a radar trap? Have
    >cyclists ever set off a GATSO?

    My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
    Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

    You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
    averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

    Alan, may I suggest something?

    Get yourself a bike - any bike.

    I still have a bike!

    Quoted message said:

    Set it up with an accurately calibrated computer.

    Why would a computer be any more accurate than the old style trip counters?

    Which I still use!

    Quoted message said:

    Take a mile long stretch of road - any mile long stretch of road.

    Cycle it back and forth in each direction in one go as fast as you
    possibly can.

    Alas, old age has finally caught up with me, and the chances of traveling
    fast on a push bike is so remote I wouldn't even bother to try it, to give
    you a clue, in a couple of months my pension will rise by an incredible 25
    pence a week!

    How I will cope with that much extra money I just do not know!

    Quoted message said:

    Now, look at the speed you achieved and ask yourself, seriously, could you
    have
    managed to keep up anything like that speed for 42 times the distance on a
    loaded bike.

    All I had, was a record of the distnce travelled, which I'm sure someone
    could check, from South Ealing to Stow-on-the-Wold, my trip counter read it
    as 84 miles, my mother was very precise about time so the clocks were always
    kept right, I left home at 2.00 pm, expecting to get there at about 7.30 pm,
    and I was very suprised to find, when I arrived, that the hostel was not yet
    open, I asked a young lady sitting outside why it was not opne and she said
    it was 4.50 pm. I had no watch so I was unable to confirm or deny this, but
    I'm sure the manager of the hostel would be well aware of the time he should
    open the doors!

    Quoted message said:

    I'm sure that the readings you got and the measurements you took did
    indicate
    the speed and distance you claim, but there really *has* to be an error
    somewhere.

    Possibly it was because in those days, about 55 or so years ago, the only
    choice for travelling was either public transport, walking or cycling, very
    few people then had any other form of transport, nowadays everyone has a
    car!

    Thus most of us were VERY fit, although nothing was made of that at the
    time, so cycling long distances was fairly normal, I cycled about 30 miles a
    day to go to work, then almost every evening the same distance to go folk
    dancing, weekends with the group, would, if it was a one day weekend about
    60 miles, if it was a hosteling weekend about 130, I calculated that I have,
    over the years, travelled about 350,000 miles, I could be a little bit out
    there!

    My wages at the time was £3 perweek, so I could not stay in B&Bs or anywhere
    else other then youth hostels, which got you a bed for a shilling a night, I
    could not, as many thousands of others, afford to have a hostel breakfast so
    I always went self cooking, this enabled me to visit parts of the country I
    could not otherwise have seen, on one occassion, I travelled to, and around,
    scotland, via Lancaster, and spent some time there in various hostels,
    returning down the east coast, this would have been a round trip of about
    900 miles give or take a few!

    This would have been a normal holiday trip.

    As I have already said, because of the way of life then, we were all fit and
    healthy, which would have enabled people to cycle far greater distances than
    today, also the roads were much quieter and safer, very little motorised
    transport and thus the roads were in better condition.

    One other thing which did help, was the weight of the bikes, the inertia
    gained from the weight enabled you to keep the thing going with only a small
    effort, just a little bit of physics!

    And I shall always remember the motorist who told me I was travelling at 30
    mph, when I was on my way home from work, not intentionaly trying to go
    fast, just cycling normally, I couldn't understand why he stopped to tell me
    that.

    I do, from time to time, whilst in my car, pace the odd cyclist and it is
    surprising how fast some are travelling, even youngsters about 14 can move
    at about 25 mph.

    Finally I don't give a damn whether any of the cycnics here believe me or
    not, these are all facts.

    Alan

  9. "dkahn400" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Alan Holmes said:

    "????" <????@????> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years
    back. Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

    You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying
    I had averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

    There's a major difference between achieving a high speed over a short
    distance and a long one. The feat you claimed is beyond the powers of
    professional cyclist, yet you apparently did it on a heavily laden
    touring bike without particulary trying. Anyone can get to 47 mph down
    a steep hill. All it takes is a lack of imagination.

    Professional cyclists use light weight bikes wich do not perform as well as
    heavier bikes.

    Quoted message said:

    FWIW I don't believe you are a liar. I'm sure you honestly believe you
    did what you claim. I just don't accept it's within the realms of the
    possible.

    Your choice!

    Alan

  10. Alan Holmes wrote on 14/04/2007 13:06 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    All I had, was a record of the distnce travelled, which I'm sure someone
    could check, from South Ealing to Stow-on-the-Wold, my trip counter read it
    as 84 miles, my mother was very precise about time so the clocks were always
    kept right, I left home at 2.00 pm, expecting to get there at about 7.30 pm,
    and I was very suprised to find, when I arrived, that the hostel was not yet
    open, I asked a young lady sitting outside why it was not opne and she said
    it was 4.50 pm. I had no watch so I was unable to confirm or deny this, but
    I'm sure the manager of the hostel would be well aware of the time he should
    open the doors!

    Google Maps has it as just over 80 miles and 1hr 40mins by modern car
    including stretches of motorway. You are claiming to have taken just
    one hour longer.

    Quoted message said:


    Possibly it was because in those days, about 55 or so years ago, the only
    choice for travelling was either public transport, walking or cycling, very
    few people then had any other form of transport, nowadays everyone has a
    car!

    Thus most of us were VERY fit, although nothing was made of that at the
    time, so cycling long distances was fairly normal,

    But you are claiming to have ridden for almost three hours on a normal
    bike faster than the hour record for the period. Do you really really
    think you were able to casually cycle at a faster speed than the record
    holder's who took no breaks, had no stops or slows for junctions etc?
    Come on Alan!

    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

  11. Quoted message said:

    But you are claiming to have ridden for almost three hours on a normal
    bike faster than the hour record for the period. Do you really really
    think you were able to casually cycle at a faster speed than the record
    holder's who took no breaks, had no stops or slows for junctions etc?
    Come on Alan!

    It's worth pointing out that the holder of the hour record would have been
    flat out at 100% effort. Presumably Alan didn't even break a sweat. The
    man is a true legend.

    --
    This post contains a trace of sarcasm.

  12. Mark Thompson wrote on 14/04/2007 19:04 +0100:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But you are claiming to have ridden for almost three hours on a normal
    bike faster than the hour record for the period. Do you really really
    think you were able to casually cycle at a faster speed than the record
    holder's who took no breaks, had no stops or slows for junctions etc?
    Come on Alan!

    It's worth pointing out that the holder of the hour record would have been
    flat out at 100% effort. Presumably Alan didn't even break a sweat. The
    man is a true legend.

    Or perhaps he omitted to tell us about the 500cc engine mounted in the
    main triangle of his bicycle frame ;-)

    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

  13. Chris Eilbeck said:
    Al C-F said:
    Chris Eilbeck said:

    There have been occasions where the police have tried to do
    people for twice the speed they were actually doing because of the
    radar return from the top of an advancing wheel being stronger than
    that from the main bike body and rider.


    Really? Would that be in the Royal Parks, or a misguided plod?

    Widely reported in the motorcycling press in the mid 90s.

    Quoted message said:

    I would doubt very much that you could get a bigger return from a
    tyre than from a whole MOTORbike.

    In the early days of widespread speed guns use, they could read the
    peak Doppler rather than the Doppler of the strongest return in pure
    power terms. There was a Doppler vs signal strength curve built in to
    the device to get round background radar clutter e.g. static
    reflectors and large but slow moving targets. In some cases it read
    wrong and the police tried to prosecute on the basis of this.

    As I understand it, the strongest return in RCS terms comes from the
    headlight reflector.

    Not sure why that should be. I would have expected the corners and
    cavities around the steering mechanism to be stronger.

  14. in message <[email hidden]>, Alan Holmes

    (') said:


    "????" <????@????> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Dylan Smith said:

    Have the police ever pulled a cyclist over in a radar trap? Have
    cyclists ever set off a GATSO?

    My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
    Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

    You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
    averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

    That's because you're a liar. No human being can do that. Most people can
    hit 47mph for a few hundred yards given a steep enough hill.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

  15. in message <[email hidden]>, Alan Holmes

    (') said:


    "Ziggy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Alan Holmes said:


    "????" <????@????> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>Have the police ever pulled a cyclist over in a radar trap? Have
    >>cyclists ever set off a GATSO?
    >
    > My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
    > Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

    You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
    averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

    Alan, may I suggest something?

    Get yourself a bike - any bike.

    I still have a bike!

    Quoted message said:

    Set it up with an accurately calibrated computer.

    Why would a computer be any more accurate than the old style trip
    counters?

    Which I still use!

    Each is reasonably accurate, if correctly calibrated. Electronic ones can,
    of course, be calibrated accurately for differing tyre sizes, whereas
    mechanical ones cannot.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    ;; "If I were a Microsoft Public Relations person, I would probably
    ;; be sobbing on a desk right now" -- Rob Miller, editor, /.

  16. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Alan Holmes

    (') said:


    "????" <????@????> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Have the police ever pulled a cyclist over in a radar trap? Have
    >cyclists ever set off a GATSO?

    My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
    Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

    You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
    averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

    That's because you're a liar.

    Mistaken and stubbon, I think.

    How someone can continue to believe they did something that is well in excess of
    the best ever achieved by anyone is a bit of a mystery.

    It reminds me of how, many years ago, some of the people I worked with would
    have tales about how they got x+20 mph out of their car on the flat when the
    manufacturer's stated top speed was x mph.

    They fondly believed that they had been lucky and just got a particularly good
    model (when in all probability they had just got one with a particularly bad
    speedo).

    The would steadfastly ignore all appeals to logic, reason and physics.

    (It has to be said that it was usually salesmen who indulged in this particular
    form of self delusion - those of a more scientific bent were not susceptible).

  17. "Alan Braggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In article said:


    "????" <????@????> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
    Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

    You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
    averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

    It was gently suggested that you might be mistaken, rather than anyone
    assuming you were deliberately deceitful, at least in the threads I've
    seen. You have repeated shown that your observation skills and/or memory
    are problematic at times.

    And, whether you like it or not, when you grow up you will find that at
    times you will forget things!

    Quoted message said:


    If ??? claimed his brother had averaged 29.5 over 84 hilly miles on
    a loaded three speed tourer, he'd be wrong too. If you claimed to have
    reached 47mph at one time on an unspecified bike and slope, you would
    probably be beleived if you had a reasonable posting history.

    I wonder what constitutes a 'reasonable posting history'?

    Alan

  18. "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Alan Holmes wrote on 14/04/2007 13:06 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    All I had, was a record of the distnce travelled, which I'm sure someone
    could check, from South Ealing to Stow-on-the-Wold, my trip counter read
    it as 84 miles, my mother was very precise about time so the clocks were
    always kept right, I left home at 2.00 pm, expecting to get there at
    about 7.30 pm, and I was very suprised to find, when I arrived, that the
    hostel was not yet open, I asked a young lady sitting outside why it was
    not opne and she said it was 4.50 pm. I had no watch so I was unable to
    confirm or deny this, but I'm sure the manager of the hostel would be
    well aware of the time he should open the doors!

    Google Maps has it as just over 80 miles and 1hr 40mins by modern car
    including stretches of motorway. You are claiming to have taken just one
    hour longer.

    Quoted message said:


    Possibly it was because in those days, about 55 or so years ago, the only
    choice for travelling was either public transport, walking or cycling,
    very few people then had any other form of transport, nowadays everyone
    has a car!

    Thus most of us were VERY fit, although nothing was made of that at the
    time, so cycling long distances was fairly normal,

    But you are claiming to have ridden for almost three hours on a normal
    bike faster than the hour record for the period. Do you really really
    think you were able to casually cycle at a faster speed than the record
    holder's who took no breaks, had no stops or slows for junctions etc? Come
    on Alan!

    Would you care to read the last paragraph of the article you are referring
    to?

    Alan

    Quoted message said:


    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

  19. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Alan Holmes

    (') said:


    "Ziggy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:53:19 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >
    >"????" <????@????> wrote in message
    >news:[email hidden]...
    >> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
    >> <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Have the police ever pulled a cyclist over in a radar trap? Have
    >>>cyclists ever set off a GATSO?
    >>
    >> My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
    >> Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.
    >
    >You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
    >averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

    Alan, may I suggest something?

    Get yourself a bike - any bike.

    I still have a bike!

    Quoted message said:

    Set it up with an accurately calibrated computer.

    Why would a computer be any more accurate than the old style trip
    counters?

    Which I still use!

    Each is reasonably accurate, if correctly calibrated. Electronic ones can,
    of course, be calibrated accurately for differing tyre sizes, whereas
    mechanical ones cannot.

    At the time I was talking about there were no different tyre sizes!

    They were sold for specific wheel sizes.

    Alan

    Quoted message said:


    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    ;; "If I were a Microsoft Public Relations person, I would probably
    ;; be sobbing on a desk right now" -- Rob Miller, editor, /.

  20. Alan Holmes wrote on 15/04/2007 11:07 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Thus most of us were VERY fit, although nothing was made of that at the
    time, so cycling long distances was fairly normal,


    But you are claiming to have ridden for almost three hours on a normal
    bike faster than the hour record for the period. Do you really really
    think you were able to casually cycle at a faster speed than the record
    holder's who took no breaks, had no stops or slows for junctions etc? Come
    on Alan!

    Would you care to read the last paragraph of the article you are referring
    to?

    You may think us cynics and what you have claimed are facts but as far
    as the rest of us are concerned whether you think you are right or not
    we know you haven't run a three minute mile. And if you had a modicum
    of realism you would realise you hadn't either and stop this silly charade.

    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

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