StKilda Junction green lane

flyingdutch said:

be interested to hear from those who have/do ride StK lane frequently on whether its standing up to time/wear and if it breaks up or causes any punctures?

I have punctured on it, although I can't say for sure that was due to the substrate. I haven't ridden it for a couple of months but I can't recall there being any breakup. It struck me as a nice, smooth yet grippy surface.

flyingdutch said:

Can anyone give any comment/feedback on the 'greened' lane on StK Rd at
the junction?
It apparently was the first to use VicRoads' new substrate which has
also been just applied to the new lanes on Chandler Hwy.

be interested to hear from those who have/do ride StK lane frequently
on whether its standing up to time/wear and if it breaks up or causes
any punctures?

is this the same kind of thing as the red bus lanes in london?

cheers,

kim

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Can anyone give any comment/feedback on the 'greened' lane on StK Rd at
the junction?
It apparently was the first to use VicRoads' new substrate which has
also been just applied to the new lanes on Chandler Hwy.

be interested to hear from those who have/do ride StK lane frequently
on whether its standing up to time/wear and if it breaks up or causes
any punctures?

cheers

F"BBUG"Dutch

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flyingdutch

I'm on it almost daily in peak hour traffic. The material seems to have good
grip, but sheds, and there is a track of green residue past the actual
track.

To me, the main benefit of that track is the indication it gives to drivers
that cyclists have some rights there. Before there was a track (even before
the recently redone green track), crossing St. Kilda Junction was quite
unpleasant.

Henry.

This sounds like the green lanes we have in Canberra along roads where there
is an exit or entrance ramp for cars. Sound similar?? The surfaces have
been in place for at least a year and there are some signs of wear (v. small
'potholes' down to the original road surface and thinning in places). It's
a good surface to ride on... I thought it would be a bit slippy in the wet
but haven't noticed so far. No punctures whatsoever and I feel quite safe
using them. They are on roads up to 80kph and cover the on/off ramp stretch
of the bike lanes so we have right of way. Great idea IMHO.

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Quoted message said:

Can anyone give any comment/feedback on the 'greened' lane on StK Rd at
the junction?
It apparently was the first to use VicRoads' new substrate which has
also been just applied to the new lanes on Chandler Hwy.

be interested to hear from those who have/do ride StK lane frequently
on whether its standing up to time/wear and if it breaks up or causes
any punctures?

cheers

F"BBUG"Dutch

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flyingdutch

hemyd said:

I'm on it almost daily in peak hour traffic. The material seems to have good grip, but sheds, and there is a track of green residue past the actual track.

To me, the main benefit of that track is the indication it gives to drivers
that cyclists have some rights there. Before there was a track (even before
the recently redone green track), crossing St. Kilda Junction was quite
unpleasant.

Henry.

The last time I rode it, the surface wasn't very grippy at all, probably due to recent rain, a big tyre skid mark and possible oil on the road. I'll agree with Henry though, the coloured lane does indicate the line cyclists will pick coming down the hill. Even though the 246 bus via Barkly St still makes me nervous....
There was a recent study/comments into the StKilda Junction on how it was extremely bad for pedestrians. Last year I was doing some vol work on the Corroboree Tree. Rather dispiriting to hear stories of how many vehicles hit it.

Anyway, back to green lane marking. Yarra Council have used this surface on areas where there's a history of cyclists/motorist altercations. Namely the left turn from High Street into Hoddle, crossing the Heidelberg Road onramp from Hoddle St and Canning Street, Carlton.

cfsmtb said:

The last time I rode it, the surface wasn't very grippy at all, probably due to recent rain, a big tyre skid mark and possible oil on the road. I'll agree with Henry though, the coloured lane does indicate the line cyclists will pick coming down the hill. Even though the 246 bus via Barkly St still makes me nervous....
There was a recent study/comments into the StKilda Junction on how it was extremely bad for pedestrians. Last year I was doing some vol work on the Corroboree Tree. Rather dispiriting to hear stories of how many vehicles hit it.

Anyway, back to green lane marking. Yarra Council have used this surface on areas where there's a history of cyclists/motorist altercations. Namely the left turn from High Street into Hoddle, crossing the Heidelberg Road onramp from Hoddle St and Canning Street, Carlton.

I agree wholeheartedly with the implementation etc of it/them (we campaigned for years for this so its fruits of labour stuff. more so for others as Im 'new'😉.

This material is 'new'. The only other application of it previously is StK junction. (i presume the yarra ones is the ol' molten paint stuff that's dubious in the wet?)

The chandler lanes are now finished (this morning. photo's to follow).
My issue was with the actual stuff they used. After riding one stretch (approx 100-150m long) i had about 20 pieces stuck in my 23mm tyres.
I guess these loose bits will minimise with time but the puncture affect seems a bit counter-productive, no doubt a design done by someone in a whitecoat in a lab who doesnt ride a bike.
There is a truckload (almost literally) all over the road and even footpath there now, which wont help matters.

and yes bean, sounds the same as yours...

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I guess these loose bits will minimise with time but the puncture
affect seems a bit counter-productive, no doubt a design done by
someone in a whitecoat in a lab who doesnt ride a bike.

flyingdutch

Ouch... as someone in a white coat in a lab (who does ride a bike... and
there are a lot of us I assure you)... that hurts! Never mind... I'm sure
I'll get over it.

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flyingdutch said:

Can anyone give any comment/feedback on the 'greened' lane on StK Rd at the junction?
It apparently was the first to use VicRoads' new substrate which has also been just applied to the new lanes on Chandler Hwy.

be interested to hear from those who have/do ride StK lane frequently on whether its standing up to time/wear and if it breaks up or causes any punctures?

cheers

F"BBUG"Dutch

the surface itself is good, but the problem has always been the location of the lane in the middle of 6 lanes of often speeding traffic, and the bumpy tram-lines usually taken at speed at the bottom of the hill.

Bean Long said:

Ouch... as someone in a white coat in a lab (who does ride a bike... and
there are a lot of us I assure you)... that hurts! Never mind... I'm sure
I'll get over it.

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dooooh!!!

if it makes you feel any better, my dad was too!
worked in a lab formulating...
paint! ROAD paint!!! (as well as automotive stuff)
bwahahahahahahahahah

F"son of a gun"Dutch

flyingdutch said:

dooooh!!!

if it makes you feel any better, my dad was too!
worked in a lab formulating...
paint! ROAD paint!!! (as well as automotive stuff)
bwahahahahahahahahah

F"son of a gun"Dutch

pix are here...

http://boroondarabug.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?page=1

Yeah... they look identical to what we have here in Canberra. I like 'em
but they do seem to take a beating from cars.

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Bean

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flyingdutch said:

dooooh!!!

if it makes you feel any better, my dad was too!
worked in a lab formulating...
paint! ROAD paint!!! (as well as automotive stuff)
bwahahahahahahahahah

F"son of a gun"Dutch

pix are here...

http://boroondarabug.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?page=1

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hemyd said:

I'm on it almost daily in peak hour traffic. The material seems to have
good grip, but sheds, and there is a track of green residue past the
actual track.

To me, the main benefit of that track is the indication it gives to
drivers
that cyclists have some rights there. Before there was a track (even
before
the recently redone green track), crossing St. Kilda Junction was
quite
unpleasant.

Henry.

The last time I rode it, the surface wasn't very grippy at all,
probably due to recent rain, a big tyre skid mark and possible oil on
the road. I'll agree with Henry though, the coloured lane does indicate
the line cyclists will pick coming down the hill. Even though the 246
bus via Barkly St still makes me nervous....
There was a recent study/comments into the StKilda Junction on how it
was extremely bad for pedestrians. Last year I was doing some vol work
on the Corroboree Tree. Rather dispiriting to hear stories of how many
vehicles hit it.

Anyway, back to green lane marking. Yarra Council have used this
surface on areas where there's a history of cyclists/motorist
altercations. Namely the left turn from High Street into Hoddle,
crossing the Heidelberg Road onramp from Hoddle St and Canning Street,
Carlton.

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cfsmtb

Southbound along St. Kilda Rd. There are also these green lanes across the
Toorak Road exit. These are risk areas for cyclists (aren't they all?). A
damn good idea.

Henry.

flyingdutch said:

Can anyone give any comment/feedback on the 'greened' lane on StK Rd at
the junction?
It apparently was the first to use VicRoads' new substrate which has
also been just applied to the new lanes on Chandler Hwy.

be interested to hear from those who have/do ride StK lane frequently
on whether its standing up to time/wear and if it breaks up or causes
any punctures?

I like them, that's a nasty intersection and it seems to help a bit
with right of way issues.

The surface is much better now than it was a few months ago,
when it was Ubergreasy.

Kim said:

flyingdutch said:

Can anyone give any comment/feedback on the 'greened' lane on StK Rd at
the junction?
It apparently was the first to use VicRoads' new substrate which has
also been just applied to the new lanes on Chandler Hwy.
be interested to hear from those who have/do ride StK lane frequently
on whether its standing up to time/wear and if it breaks up or causes
any punctures?

is this the same kind of thing as the red bus lanes in london?

cheers,

kim

Thats a good question. I noticed the green lanes on the Chandler this
morning.. Not sold on bike lanes as a rule but they do look like a good
idea. Got to give the average car driver all the clues possible 🙂

Dave