Stillstand definition?

well, anytime you aren't moving the wheel you're still standing. even if
it's just for a split second during a manuver, or adjusting your feet or
something. doing a static mount often results in a brief stillstand.
it's impressive to do long ones, but anything when the wheel doesn't
move counts.

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In standard skills the minimum required time for a stillstand is 3
seconds. But that's only what is required to get the points in a
standard skills routine. 3 seconds is a pretty short still stand, but
it wouldn't be practical to require something like a 15+ second still
stand in the middle of a timed standard skills routine. You also have
to remember that you have to hold that 3 second stillstand in standard
skill form. That means complete control with the arms outstretched,
palms down, fingers together, etc.

I don't see 3 seconds as much of a stillstand. That's way too short. A
minimum of 10-15 seconds in control (rather than a slow prolonged fall
to one side) is when I start to consider it a still stand. Going for
longer just proves the point even more. One minute plus and it gets
really impressive.

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*One minute plus and it gets really impressive. *

And then there is Dustin Kelm on the horizon.

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*I don't see 3 seconds as much of a stillstand. *

It's about 3.8 points' worth, according to the rules.

The thing to remember with Standard Skill, that most people often don't
think about until they've tried it, is the *overall* challenge. It's not
just a stillstand and 17 other figures. It's 18 figures *in three
minutes.* This is really hard! So time is also a factor on all skills.
That's why many figure-8 skills may see to be scored too high. They eat
up a lot of time. Still, hardly anyone uses them, so they are probably
not scored high enough.

The thing with the stillstand itself, is *how much* small wheel or upper
body movement is acceptable? For a 3-second stillstand it's not a
problem, but as you go for many minutes, it may be necessary to get more
strict about it.

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*
The thing with the stillstand itself, is *how much* small wheel or
upper body movement is acceptable? For a 3-second stillstand it's not
a problem, but as you go for many minutes, it may be necessary to get
more strict about it. *

How strict, John? If setting up a stillstand competition, how much wheel
movement (rotation) would you tolerate?

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I haven't been able to think up a good way to quantify it. One is to
have the rider stay on top of a small disk of flooring. They could start
on a bigger platform and get centered, after which the part around their
wheel could be dropped. But I think nearly any size of platform (like 20
cm diameter) would be enough to cover a decent stillstand; would not
work as a "meter" to detect if the wheel rotated too much.

Another way might be to put up some little barriers in front of and
behind the rider. Like a tiny little portable wall that more easily
illustrates motion at the front and rear of the tire. You could set them
up about 1" away (I know I'm mixing metric and non-metric) front and
rear. This would also be much easier than a dropping floor system.

Anyone else have suggestions?

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*
Anyone else have suggestions? *

Only allow dead people to compete. They can't move anyway. Whoever stays
up longest wins.

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*I haven't been able to think up a good way to quantify it. One is to
have the rider stay on top of a small disk of flooring. They could
start on a bigger platform and get centered, after which the part
around their wheel could be dropped. But I think nearly any size of
platform (like 20 cm diameter) would be enough to cover a decent
stillstand; would not work as a "meter" to detect if the wheel rotated
too much.

Another way might be to put up some little barriers in front of and
behind the rider. Like a tiny little portable wall that more easily
illustrates motion at the front and rear of the tire. You could set
them up about 1" away (I know I'm mixing metric and non-metric) front
and rear. This would also be much easier than a dropping floor
system.

Anyone else have suggestions? *

I would suggest that you get Kris Holm and Dustin Kelm up on the same
rail, and make them stay there until one falls off.

For the rest, forget it; the last thing the conventions need is
additional boring contests.

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*For the rest, forget it; the last thing the conventions need is
additional boring contests. *

Thanks for all the help. 🙄

BTW, neither KH nor Dustin were involved in the 15-minute world record
contests that were held at Unicon XII.

The idea of a rail is a start, but doesn't really cover the area of
movement in question, which is fore-aft.

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Should there also be some control over tire and rim type, and pressure,
and ground surface type? A wide rim with very low pressure is very
different than a narrow rim with very high pressure as far as still
stands go. Similarly, doing one in a very soft surface is different
from doing one on a very hard surface.

Finally, what kind of "wheel movement" is acceptable? Side-to-side? If
so, it must be written in...

Perhaps electronic wands in the spokes could cause a buzzer to sound,
like in fencing.

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*Should there also be some control over tire and rim type, and
pressure, and ground surface type? A wide rim with very low pressure
is very different than a narrow rim with very high pressure as far as
still stands go. Similarly, doing one in a very soft surface is
different from doing one on a very hard surface. *

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U-turn, I think the picture above pretty much answers your question. The
line would have to be drawn somewhere. Though instead of regulating tire
size it might instead be possible to regulate the size of the balancing
surface? "Sure, ride whatever you want, you get a 3" disk to balance
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*U-turn, Though instead of regulating tire size it might instead be
possible to regulate the size of the balancing surface? "Sure, ride
whatever you want, you get a 3" disk to balance on."

Mr. Budweiser. *

Why not? We will call it spot stand instead of still stand. After all,
it is the still part that causes the problems.

Any wheel, any size, any pressure as long as you can stay on top of a
beer mat!

Personally I think the size of a CD (120 mm) would be better. And if you
make that spot an inch high there will be no doubt whether the unicycle
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