Still nothing for cyclists.

Doug said:

What about disabled or elderly cyclists? Instead cyclists are
castigated by a car centric society and told to dismount and walk at
every opportunity and are not allowed where wheelchairs can go, such
as railway platforms and pavements.

"Bays for the elderly launched
By Manisha Mistry

PARKING bays for elderly people in Hillingdon will be launched today.

Hillingdon Council is one of the first in the country to introduce the
scheme, where residents aged 65 and over, can park closer to exits and
entrances across the borough.

A brown badge, which is available from the council, must be displayed
in the car, for motorists to qualify to park in the spaces.
advertisement

But drivers will still have to purchase pay and display tickets to
park as normal.

Councillor Ray Puddifoot, leader of the council and older people's
champion, said: "We know there are older people in Hillingdon that
welcome these bays.

"Whilst the majority of our elderly residents are still physically
active, there are some who are not, and who don't always qualify for a
blue badge.

"These residents often find getting to and from their car a real
struggle. We hope the new initiative will ease their parking
experience and will be of great help to them."

Some of the car parks include Falling lane, Yiewsley, Pembroke
Gardens, Ruislip Manor, Brandville Road, West Drayton and Oaklands
Gate, Northwood."

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Are you complaining about the 'brown badge' scheme just because it may
help motorists?

As for your first paragraph about cyclists, it is as you know bollocks.

--
Tony the Dragon

Doug typed:

Quoted message said:

What about disabled or elderly cyclists? Instead cyclists are
castigated by a car centric society and told to dismount and walk at
every opportunity and are not allowed where wheelchairs can go, such
as railway platforms and pavements.

So? I thought you were an anarchist? If you are then you'll obviously
flout al the regulations anyway and as you didn't vote you have no say in
what goes on anywhere anyway.

Quoted message said:

PARKING bays for elderly people in Hillingdon will be launched today.

Why can't you be happy that someone gets a little extra help, rather than
seeing it as taking away something from you?

You appear somewhat paranoid and it sounds like you want everything done for
you and can't be happy that someone has had something made a little easier
for them.

--
Dogpoop

Stand by me.
http://www.glass-uk.org/

On 10 Mar, 08:04, "Knight Of The Road" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Doug" <[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

wrote

and are not allowed where wheelchairs can go, such

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as railway platforms

So the only reason you can see for not allowing people to cycle on railway
platforms is "castigation"?

What is it about 'disabled or elderly' you do not understand?

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Dogpoop said:

Doug typed:

Quoted message said:

What about disabled or elderly cyclists? Instead cyclists are
castigated by a car centric society and told to dismount and walk at
every opportunity and are not allowed where wheelchairs can go, such
as railway platforms and pavements.

So? I thought you were an anarchist? If you are then you'll obviously
flout al the regulations anyway and as you didn't vote you have no say in
what goes on anywhere anyway.

Quoted message said:

PARKING bays for elderly people in Hillingdon will be launched today.

Why can't you be happy that someone gets a little extra help, rather than
seeing it as taking away something from you?

You appear somewhat paranoid and it sounds like you want everything done for
you and can't be happy that someone has had something made a little easier
for them.

The point you and others seem to be missing is that every help is
offered to disadvantaged motorists but not to disadvantaged cyclists.
Why do you think that is if it is not that we live in a car dominated
society?

Local councils try to pretend they are encouraging cycling, for
obvious reasons, but do little to back their claims with practical
help and the same goes for companies.

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

"Doug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

What about disabled or elderly cyclists? Instead cyclists are
castigated by a car centric society and told to dismount and walk at
every opportunity and are not allowed where wheelchairs can go, such
as railway platforms and pavements.

"Bays for the elderly launched
By Manisha Mistry

PARKING bays for elderly people in Hillingdon will be launched today.

So at heart thais is just another car related thread. Still telling porkies
Doug.

Doug said:

Dogpoop said:

Doug typed:

Quoted message said:

What about disabled or elderly cyclists? Instead cyclists are
castigated by a car centric society and told to dismount and walk at
every opportunity and are not allowed where wheelchairs can go, such
as railway platforms and pavements.

So? I thought you were an anarchist? If you are then you'll obviously
flout al the regulations anyway and as you didn't vote you have no say in
what goes on anywhere anyway.

Quoted message said:

PARKING bays for elderly people in Hillingdon will be launched today.

Why can't you be happy that someone gets a little extra help, rather than
seeing it as taking away something from you?

You appear somewhat paranoid and it sounds like you want everything done for
you and can't be happy that someone has had something made a little easier
for them.

The point you and others seem to be missing is that every help is
offered to disadvantaged motorists but not to disadvantaged cyclists.
Why do you think that is if it is not that we live in a car dominated
society?

Local councils try to pretend they are encouraging cycling, for
obvious reasons, but do little to back their claims with practical
help and the same goes for companies.

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

So you want the 'brown badge' scheme to apply to cyclists as well.
This may be a good idea, for one reason the parking bays will not be as big.
The 'brown badge' will have of course to be displayed on the cycle, &
obviously the cycle must be registered to the use so as prevent misuse.
This of course will mean that the cycle must be identified, perhaps by a
numberplate, this will be useful for other problems as well.

--
Tony the Dragon

Doug (Doug <[email hidden]>😉 gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What about disabled or elderly cyclists? Instead cyclists are
castigated by a car centric society and told to dismount and walk at
every opportunity and are not allowed where wheelchairs can go, such
as railway platforms and pavements.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So? I thought you were an anarchist? If you are then you'll obviously
flout al the regulations anyway and as you didn't vote you have no say
in what goes on anywhere anyway.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

PARKING bays for elderly people in Hillingdon will be launched today.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Why can't you be happy that someone gets a little extra help, rather
than seeing it as taking away something from you?

You appear somewhat paranoid and it sounds like you want everything
done for you and can't be happy that someone has had something made a
little easier for them.

Quoted message said:

The point you and others seem to be missing is that every help is
offered to disadvantaged motorists but not to disadvantaged cyclists.

<sigh>
Cycle parking is usually closer to shopping facilities than car parking,
and free.

Oh, and disabled drivers still aren't allowed to drive along pavements or
platforms.

You really need to go away and find out just how many of the elderly and
disabled who would benefit from these kind of car facilities are capable
of riding bicycles at all. It's a very, very, very low number.

Tony Dragon said:

Doug said:

What about disabled or elderly cyclists? Instead cyclists are
castigated by a car centric society and told to dismount and walk at
every opportunity and are not allowed where wheelchairs can go, such
as railway platforms and pavements.

"Bays for the elderly launched
By Manisha Mistry

PARKING bays for elderly people in Hillingdon will be launched today.

Hillingdon Council is one of the first in the country to introduce the
scheme, where residents aged 65 and over, can park closer to exits and
entrances across the borough.

A brown badge, which is available from the council, must be displayed
in the car, for motorists to qualify to park in the spaces.
advertisement

But drivers will still have to purchase pay and display tickets to
park as normal.

Councillor Ray Puddifoot, leader of the council and older people's
champion, said: "We know there are older people in Hillingdon that
welcome these bays.

"Whilst the majority of our elderly residents are still physically
active, there are some who are not, and who don't always qualify for a
blue badge.

"These residents often find getting to and from their car a real
struggle. We hope the new initiative will ease their parking
experience and will be of great help to them."

Some of the car parks include Falling lane, Yiewsley, Pembroke
Gardens, Ruislip Manor, Brandville Road, West Drayton and Oaklands
Gate, Northwood."

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Are you complaining about the 'brown badge' scheme just because it may
help motorists?

As for your first paragraph about cyclists, it is as you know bollocks.

At least when they're pushing their bikes it gives them both mobility
and stability - even more than if they were riding them!

;-)

--
Moving things in still pictures!

Doug said:

Dogpoop said:

Doug typed:

Quoted message said:

What about disabled or elderly cyclists? Instead cyclists are
castigated by a car centric society and told to dismount and walk at
every opportunity and are not allowed where wheelchairs can go, such
as railway platforms and pavements.

So? I thought you were an anarchist? If you are then you'll obviously
flout al the regulations anyway and as you didn't vote you have no say in
what goes on anywhere anyway.

Quoted message said:

PARKING bays for elderly people in Hillingdon will be launched today.

Why can't you be happy that someone gets a little extra help, rather than
seeing it as taking away something from you?

You appear somewhat paranoid and it sounds like you want everything done for
you and can't be happy that someone has had something made a little easier
for them.

The point you and others seem to be missing is that every help is
offered to disadvantaged motorists but not to disadvantaged cyclists.
Why do you think that is if it is not that we live in a car dominated
society?

Local councils try to pretend they are encouraging cycling, for
obvious reasons, but do little to back their claims with practical
help and the same goes for companies.

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Well, you could always let out what is left of your garden as a refuge
and parking place for elderly, disabled and disadvantaged bicycles.

--
Moving things in still pictures!

"Doug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

What about disabled or elderly cyclists? Instead cyclists are
castigated by a car centric society and told to dismount and walk at
every opportunity and are not allowed where wheelchairs can go, such
as railway platforms and pavements.

Explain to me why you think cyclists should be allowed to ride on railway
platforms and pavements.

Once again Doug shows the real mindset of a cyclist.

On 10 Mar, 08:28, "Knight Of The Road" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Doug" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

The point you and others seem to be missing is that every help is

Quoted message said:

offered to disadvantaged motorists but not to disadvantaged cyclists.

So what help should be offered to disadvantaged cyclists?

Duh! I have already covered that. They should be allowed to go where
wheelchair users are allowed to go. Another point being missed here,
or deliberately ignored more likely, is that disabled car users, in
the main, don't need to use public transport but but cyclists do.

This anti-cyclist discrimination seems to be based on the assumption
that if you can cycle you can walk, which is not necessarily true.

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Doug (Doug <[email hidden]>😉 gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So what help should be offered to disadvantaged cyclists?

Quoted message said:

Duh! I have already covered that. They should be allowed to go where
wheelchair users are allowed to go.

Why?

Quoted message said:

Another point being missed here, or deliberately ignored more likely,
is that disabled car users, in the main, don't need to use public
transport but but cyclists do.

Why?

Quoted message said:

This anti-cyclist discrimination seems to be based on the assumption
that if you can cycle you can walk, which is not necessarily true.

No, it's based on the fact that a bicycle is a mode of transport, like a
car. Not a substitute for walking, like a wheelchair.

"Doug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On 10 Mar, 08:28, "Knight Of The Road" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Doug" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

The point you and others seem to be missing is that every help is

Quoted message said:

offered to disadvantaged motorists but not to disadvantaged cyclists.

So what help should be offered to disadvantaged cyclists?

Duh! I have already covered that. They should be allowed to go where
wheelchair users are allowed to go.

Do you really want people to be able to cycle in offices, factories and
other such places? You still haven't told us why people are not allowed to
cycle on railway station platforms.

Quoted message said:

Another point being missed here,
or deliberately ignored more likely, is that disabled car users, in
the main, don't need to use public transport but but cyclists do.

Why?

Quoted message said:

This anti-cyclist discrimination seems to be based on the assumption
that if you can cycle you can walk, which is not necessarily true.

What anti-cyclist discrimitation?

As ever when something is done to help a few people that fact that it
doesn't help "your gang" you see it as discrimination. "Pathetic" doesn't
begin to describe you.

"Gizmo." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Doug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

What about disabled or elderly cyclists? Instead cyclists are
castigated by a car centric society and told to dismount and walk at
every opportunity and are not allowed where wheelchairs can go, such
as railway platforms and pavements.

Explain to me why you think cyclists should be allowed to ride on railway
platforms and pavements.

Once again Doug shows the real mindset of a cyclist.

I disagree. Doug only show the mindset of Doug. Most cyclists are sensible
and are happy to accept that there are perfectly good reasons why cycling on
railway station platforms is prohibited, even Doug know why but won't say.

Adrian said:

Doug (Doug <[email hidden]>😉 gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So what help should be offered to disadvantaged cyclists?

Duh! I have already covered that. They should be allowed to go where
wheelchair users are allowed to go.

Why?

Because it suits Doug. Disabled cyclists and disabled people in
wheelchairs are not the same thing. Doug knows this but he hates
restrictions and this would be a handy way for him to justify the ones
he probably flouts.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Another point being missed here, or deliberately ignored more likely,
is that disabled car users, in the main, don't need to use public
transport but but cyclists do.

Why?

Its a statement based not on fact but on pure "pulling something out
of the air". Unless Doug can back it up with studies and its not just
"obvious" then I claim its false.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This anti-cyclist discrimination seems to be based on the assumption
that if you can cycle you can walk, which is not necessarily true.

No, it's based on the fact that a bicycle is a mode of transport, like a
car. Not a substitute for walking, like a wheelchair.

I'm sure cycling can help people with certain disablements and I'd be
all in favor of having some disabled cycle parki9ng. but there are
reasons bikes cannot be ridden in some areas and it doesn't matter who
is using them. In fact someone disabled could be less in control of a
bike so even more reason to not allow them to cycle on a platform
where trains may pass at speed with a strong wind resulting.

Fod

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"Gizmo." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Doug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

What about disabled or elderly cyclists? Instead cyclists are
castigated by a car centric society and told to dismount and walk at
every opportunity and are not allowed where wheelchairs can go, such
as railway platforms and pavements.

Explain to me why you think cyclists should be allowed to ride on railway
platforms and pavements.

Once again Doug shows the real mindset of a cyclist.

I disagree. Doug only show the mindset of Doug. Most cyclists are sensible
and are happy to accept that there are perfectly good reasons why cycling
on railway station platforms is prohibited, even Doug know why but won't
say.

And take into account the kind of lowlife scum (Hansen, Robertson, Spindrift
etc) that inhabit uk.rec.cylcing and the like ... they dont exactly do their
friend and cohorts to many favours.

Doug said:

What about disabled or elderly cyclists? Instead cyclists are
castigated by a car centric society and told to dismount and walk at
every opportunity and are not allowed where wheelchairs can go, such
as railway platforms and pavements.

"Bays for the elderly launched
By Manisha Mistry

Only Dung could turn a positive story such as this into a negative.

Doug said:

On 10 Mar, 08:28, "Knight Of The Road" <[email hidden]>
wrote:> "Doug" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The point you and others seem to be missing is that every help is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

offered to disadvantaged motorists but not to disadvantaged cyclists.

Quoted message said:

So what help should be offered to disadvantaged cyclists?

Duh! I have already covered that. They should be allowed to go where
wheelchair users are allowed to go.

Schmoug, there is a guy who works in my office who uses a wheelchair.
Does that mean that I should be allowed to cycle down the corridors in
the office?

"Doug" <[email hidden]> wrote

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This anti-cyclist discrimination seems to be based on the assumption
that if you can cycle you can walk, which is not necessarily true.

I have never known a cyclist who cannot walk. I have no doubt that the
overwhelming majority of people have never known a cyclist who cannot walk.

With your interest in cycling, I have no doubt that you may know of a
cyclist who cannot walk, maybe even two or three, but enormous amounts of
tax money cannot possibly be allocated to such a tiny number of people.

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Regards, Vince.

Snowdonia trucking POV-