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Can anyone say if any of these bikes are any good. They sell at
auction for 40-50 pounds. Sorry about the caps (cut and paste job).

24V A Peugeot 21 speed gents mountain bike with alloy wheels and
Shimano GS gears.

25v An Apollo gents Manic mountain bike with 18 speed Shimano gears
and alloy wheels.

29V Universal Rapid Reactor gents mountain cycle in black

31V A Shogun Trail Breaker gents mountain cycle in black.

These four don't have suspension and are thus worth the effort. Avoid
all the others like the plague.

A

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(') said:

Can anyone say if any of these bikes are any good. They sell at
auction for 40-50 pounds. Sorry about the caps (cut and paste job).

I haven't looked through this list in detail but you know the answer
yourself. If they were any good at all they would not sell at auction
for £50. And seeing some of these are Apollos - Halfords own brand -
they are presumably bikes which Halfords found they just could not
shift at any price.

They probably aren't even worth melting down for scrap.

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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:08:20 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

in message <[email hidden]>,

(') said:

Can anyone say if any of these bikes are any good. They sell at
auction for 40-50 pounds. Sorry about the caps (cut and paste job).

I haven't looked through this list in detail but you know the answer
yourself. If they were any good at all they would not sell at auction
for £50. And seeing some of these are Apollos - Halfords own brand -
they are presumably bikes which Halfords found they just could not
shift at any price.

They probably aren't even worth melting down for scrap.

Funny you should say that because i have seen wheels and tyres sell
for 20-30 a pair on ebay. You could also sell the seats , pedals etc.
They may be worth more as spares than intact.

Ambrose Nankivell said:

Quoted message said:

Can anyone say if any of these bikes are any good. They sell at
auction for 40-50 pounds. Sorry about the caps (cut and paste job).

24V A Peugeot 21 speed gents mountain bike with alloy wheels and
Shimano GS gears.

25v An Apollo gents Manic mountain bike with 18 speed Shimano gears
and alloy wheels.

29V Universal Rapid Reactor gents mountain cycle in black

31V A Shogun Trail Breaker gents mountain cycle in black.

These four don't have suspension and are thus worth the effort. Avoid
all the others like the plague.

thanks, what is so bad about suspension on a bike ?

Quoted message said:

Ambrose Nankivell said:

Quoted message said:

Can anyone say if any of these bikes are any good. They sell at
auction for 40-50 pounds. Sorry about the caps (cut and paste job).

24V A Peugeot 21 speed gents mountain bike with alloy wheels and
Shimano GS gears.

25v An Apollo gents Manic mountain bike with 18 speed Shimano gears
and alloy wheels.

29V Universal Rapid Reactor gents mountain cycle in black

31V A Shogun Trail Breaker gents mountain cycle in black.

These four don't have suspension and are thus worth the effort. Avoid
all the others like the plague.

thanks, what is so bad about suspension on a bike ?

Nothing, as long as it is designed with proper damping and machined to
very fine tolerances. Such constraints make it cost at least £400 for
the frame.

On cheap bikes, it still costs a fair bit of extra money, so the rest
of the bike's worse, but it bounces up and down when you ride it, and
then after it's worn a bit after about 200 miles use, it also sways
from side to side. This makes the bike hard to control. It also adds
lots of weight which makes the bike less responsive to ride
(particularly with the lack of control) and more work. If you buy one
of the rigid bikes, replacing the tyres is all you need to do to make
an acceptable bike for getting about on the road. Once you put
mudguards and a rack and lights on, then you've got something that's
useful for travelling most of the year. Total cost of upgrades, say
£60 if you're fortunate.

However, at this price, the brakes will be hard to adjust, and the
gears will stop shifting easily fairly quickly, also being hard to
adjust, too. Maintenance will easily cost £20 to sort them out, but
replacement bits can be bought £10 or £20 at a time and will improve
performance dramatically.

A

Ambrose Nankivell said:

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Ambrose Nankivell said:

[email hidden] writes:

> Can anyone say if any of these bikes are any good. They sell at
> auction for 40-50 pounds. Sorry about the caps (cut and paste job).
>
> 24V A Peugeot 21 speed gents mountain bike with alloy wheels and
> Shimano GS gears.
>
> 25v An Apollo gents Manic mountain bike with 18 speed Shimano gears
> and alloy wheels.
>
> 29V Universal Rapid Reactor gents mountain cycle in black
>
> 31V A Shogun Trail Breaker gents mountain cycle in black.

These four don't have suspension and are thus worth the effort. Avoid
all the others like the plague.

thanks, what is so bad about suspension on a bike ?

Nothing, as long as it is designed with proper damping and machined to
very fine tolerances. Such constraints make it cost at least £400 for
the frame.

<snip helpful comments>

thanks for that. I may just buy on of those four and make the
adjustments you recommend. Let you know how it goes.

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Ambrose Nankivell said:

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On 02 Sep 2004 18:44:23 +0100, Ambrose Nankivell
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>[email hidden] writes:
>
>> Can anyone say if any of these bikes are any good. They sell at
>> auction for 40-50 pounds. Sorry about the caps (cut and paste job).
>>
>> 24V A Peugeot 21 speed gents mountain bike with alloy wheels and
>> Shimano GS gears.
>>
>> 25v An Apollo gents Manic mountain bike with 18 speed Shimano gears
>> and alloy wheels.
>>
>> 29V Universal Rapid Reactor gents mountain cycle in black
>>
>> 31V A Shogun Trail Breaker gents mountain cycle in black.
>
>
>These four don't have suspension and are thus worth the effort. Avoid
>all the others like the plague.
>
thanks, what is so bad about suspension on a bike ?

Nothing, as long as it is designed with proper damping and machined to
very fine tolerances. Such constraints make it cost at least £400 for
the frame.

<snip helpful comments>

thanks for that. I may just buy on of those four and make the
adjustments you recommend. Let you know how it goes.

Glad to be of service.

A

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Can anyone say if any of these bikes are any good. They sell at
auction for 40-50 pounds. Sorry about the caps (cut and paste job).

M-x capitalize-region yields:

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1v A Claud Butler Gate Crasher Downhill
Alloy Gents Full Suspension Mountain Bike, Fr And Rr Disc Brakes, 24
Speed Sti Shimano Gears, Front Cbr Triple Clamp Suspension Forks,
Vuelta Airline Quick Release Alloy Wheels, Downhill Saddle In Brushed
Alloy.

2v A Claud Butler Super Moto Downhill
Alloy Gents Full Suspension Mountain Bike, Front Disc Brake, 24 Speed
Shimano Gears, Front Cbr Triple Clamp Suspension Forks, Vuelta Airline
Quick Release Alloy Wheels, Downhill Saddle In Brushed Alloy.

3v Claud Butler Savage/Maddog Dh Alloy
Gents Full Suspension Mountain Bike. With 21 Speed Shimano Sti Gears,
Front Zoom Triple Clamp Suspension Forks, Quick Release Alloy Wheels
In Black And Silver

4v Claud Butler Savage/ Maddog Dh Alloy
Gents Full Suspension Mountain Bike. With 21 Speed Shimano Sti Gears,
Front Zoom Triple Clamp Suspension Forks, Quick Release Alloy Wheels.
In Black And Silver

5v Claud Butler Savage/ Maddog Dh Alloy
Gents Full Suspension Mountain Bike. With 21 Speed Shimano Sti Gears,
Front Zoom Triple Clamp Suspension Forks, Quick Release Alloy Wheels.
In Black & Silver.

6v Claud Butler Savage/ Maddog Dh Alloy
Gents Full Suspension Mountain Bike. With 21 Speed Shimano Sti Gears,
Front Zoom Triple Clamp Suspension Forks, Quick Release Alloy Wheels.
In Red & Silver

7v Claud Butler Savage/Maddog Dh Alloy
Gents Full Suspension Mountain Bike. With 21 Speed Shimano Sti Gears,
Front Zoom Triple Clamp Suspension Forks, Quick Release Alloy Wheels
In Red And Silver

8v A Boss Reflex Gents Full Suspension
Mountain Bike With Mono Swing Arm, With 21 Speed Shimano Gears, Front
Suspension Forks And Disc Brake, Alloy Wheels In Black And Red.

9v A Boss Reflex Gents Full Suspension
Mountain Bike With Mono Swing Arm, With 21 Speed Shimano Gears, Front
Suspension Forks And Disc Brake, Alloy Wheels In Black And Red.

10v A Boss Reflex Gents Full Suspension
Mountain Bike With Mono Swing Arm, With 21 Speed Shimano Gears, Front
Suspension Forks And Disc Brake, Alloy Wheels In Black And Red.

11v A Boss Reflex Gents Full Suspension
Mountain Bike With Mono Swing Arm, With 21 Speed Shimano Gears, Front
Suspension Forks And Disc Brake, Alloy Wheels In Black And Red.

12v A Boss Reflex Gents Full Suspension
Mountain Bike With Mono Swing Arm, With 21 Speed Shimano Gears, Front
Suspension Forks And Disc Brake, Alloy Wheels In Silver/Red

13v A Boss Reflex Gents Full Suspension
Mountain Bike With Mono Swing Arm, With 21 Speed Shimano Gears, Front
Suspension Forks, Alloy Wheels In Silver/Red

14v A British Eagle Gents Full
Suspension Mountain Bike With 18 Speed Shimano Gears Alloy Wheels And
V Brakes Finished In Silver.

15v A British Eagle Gents Full
Suspension Mountain Bike With 18 Speed Shimano Gears Alloy Wheels And
V Brakes Finished In Silver.

16v A Falcon Trail Breaker Full
Suspension Gents Mountain Bike With Alloy Wheels And 18 Speed Shimano
Gears In Blue And Silver.

17v A Falcon Trail Breaker Full
Suspension Gents Mountain Bike With Alloy Wheels And 18 Speed Shimano
Gears In Blue And Silver.

18v A Falcon Trail Breaker Full
Suspension Gents Mountain Bike With Alloy Wheels And 18 Speed Shimano
Gears In Blue And Silver.

19v A Falcon Trail Breaker Full
Suspension Gents Mountain Bike With Alloy Wheels And 18 Speed Shimano
Gears In Blue And Silver.

20v A Falcon Trail Breaker Full
Suspension Gents Mountain Bike With Alloy Wheels And 18 Speed Shimano
Gears In Blue And Silver.

21v A Falcon Trail Breaker Full
Suspension Gents Mountain Bike With Alloy Wheels And 18 Speed Shimano
Gears In Blue And Silver.

22v A Falcon Trail Breaker Full
Suspension Gents Mountain Bike With Alloy Wheels And 18 Speed Shimano
Gears In Blue And Silver.

23v A Falcon Trail Breaker Full
Suspension Gents Mountain Bike With Alloy Wheels And 18 Speed Shimano
Gears In Blue And Silver.

24v A Peugeot 21 Speed Gents Mountain
Bike With Alloy Wheels And Shimano Gs Gears.

25v An Apollo Gents Manic Mountain Bike
With 18 Speed Shimano Gears And Alloy Wheels.

26v A Raleigh Monsoon Girls Mountain
Bike With 18 Shimano Gears.

27v An Apollo Freestyle Bmx

28v A G5 Cycle Safety Helmet In Stars
And Stripes Design. As New And Boxed (20 Ditto)

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

29v Universal Rapid Reactor Gents
Mountain Cycle In Black

30v A Rudge Bi-Frame Montague Patented
Design Folding Gents Mountain Cycle In Blue.

31v A Shogun Trail Breaker Gents
Mountain Cycle In Black.

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:07:51 GMT, Paul Rudin <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Can anyone say if any of these bikes are any good. They sell at
auction for 40-50 pounds. Sorry about the caps (cut and paste job).

M-x capitalize-region yields:

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You're a genius. Does it make them any better BiKeS ?

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24V A PEUGEOT 21 SPEED GENTS MOUNTAIN
BIKE WITH ALLOY WHEELS AND SHIMANO GS GEARS.

I would make a guess that this one is older than the others, but assuming
it is in good nick would be one I'd be interested in. Puegeot have made
some nice MTBs. The've made some [censored] ones too. Without looking at it,
it's very hard to give advice.

A quick look at ebay shows:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3696734847&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

Nice looking but simple Ridgeback.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=72571&item=3697085980&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Carrera with ali frame. Possibly a bit lighter, but personally I would
want the Ridgeback.

BTW I have nothing to do with these people and can't vouch for the
relative conditions of the bikes.

Hope this helps.

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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:08:20 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

in message <[email hidden]>,

(') said:

Can anyone say if any of these bikes are any good. They sell at
auction for 40-50 pounds. Sorry about the caps (cut and paste job).

I haven't looked through this list in detail but you know the answer
yourself. If they were any good at all they would not sell at auction
for £50. And seeing some of these are Apollos - Halfords own brand -
they are presumably bikes which Halfords found they just could not
shift at any price.

They probably aren't even worth melting down for scrap.

Funny you should say that because i have seen wheels and tyres sell
for 20-30 a pair on ebay.

You certainly have. Not those wheels and tyres, however.

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Ambrose Nankivell said:

Quoted message said:

Can anyone say if any of these bikes are any good. They sell at
auction for 40-50 pounds. Sorry about the caps (cut and paste job).

These four don't have suspension and are thus worth the effort. Avoid
all the others like the plague.

thanks, what is so bad about suspension on a bike ?

If it's any good it's very expensive; if it's cheap it's heavy; and even
if it is good it isn't normally useful on smooth surfaces - good
suspension units have switches to lock them rigid for use on the road.
Good suspension is only better than no suspension on really rough
surfaces; bad suspension is never better than no suspension, and it's
heavier and there are more things to go wrong or break.

There aren't any full suspension bikes worth buying under £1,000. A good
pair of suspension forks will set you back about £300, a good rear
suspension unit about the same.

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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:14:08 +0100, [email hidden] wrote (more or
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Quoted message said:

Ambrose Nankivell said:

Quoted message said:

Can anyone say if any of these bikes are any good. They sell at
auction for 40-50 pounds. Sorry about the caps (cut and paste job).

24V A Peugeot 21 speed gents mountain bike with alloy wheels and
Shimano GS gears.

25v An Apollo gents Manic mountain bike with 18 speed Shimano gears
and alloy wheels.

29V Universal Rapid Reactor gents mountain cycle in black

31V A Shogun Trail Breaker gents mountain cycle in black.

These four don't have suspension and are thus worth the effort. Avoid
all the others like the plague.

thanks, what is so bad about suspension on a bike ?

The items that get supplied in the £50 range tend to be engineered for
show-room 'gee-whiz', rather than engineered to be capable of doing
the job.

They'll basically make pedalling the bike harder, without giving you
the advantages decent suspension will provide.

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Funny you should say that because i have seen wheels and tyres sell
for 20-30 a pair on ebay.

Yes, but all wheels are not created equal, same with tyres. If you put
cheap remoulds on a sports car do you think it would still corner as
well? Now apply the same to bikes...

Pete.
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Peter Clinch said:

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Funny you should say that because i have seen wheels and tyres sell
for 20-30 a pair on ebay.

Yes, but all wheels are not created equal, same with tyres. If you put
cheap remoulds on a sports car do you think it would still corner as
well? Now apply the same to bikes...

but those Claude Butlers which everyone says are [censored] (probably are)
have excellent alloy wheels and top class tyres.

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but those Claude Butlers which everyone says are [censored] (probably are)
have excellent alloy wheels and top class tyres.

By what criteria are you judging "excellent"? I don't know, I haven't
seen them, but I'm not sure you can be quite so sure, or you wouldn't be
asking us if this stuff was any good...

Pete.
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Chris Davies said:

Quoted message said:

24V A PEUGEOT 21 SPEED GENTS MOUNTAIN
BIKE WITH ALLOY WHEELS AND SHIMANO GS GEARS.

I would make a guess that this one is older than the others, but assuming
it is in good nick would be one I'd be interested in. Puegeot have made
some nice MTBs. The've made some [censored] ones too. Without looking at it,
it's very hard to give advice.

A quick look at ebay shows:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3696734847&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

Nice looking but simple Ridgeback.

thanks Chris. I put in a bid. I will replace the tyres to something a
bit more road like.

Quoted message said:

Chris Davies said:

Quoted message said:

24V A PEUGEOT 21 SPEED GENTS MOUNTAIN
BIKE WITH ALLOY WHEELS AND SHIMANO GS GEARS.

I would make a guess that this one is older than the others, but
assuming
it is in good nick would be one I'd be interested in. Puegeot have made
some nice MTBs. The've made some [censored] ones too. Without looking at it,
it's very hard to give advice.

A quick look at ebay shows:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3696734847&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

Nice looking but simple Ridgeback.

thanks Chris. I put in a bid. I will replace the tyres to something a
bit more road like.

Did you get it? What sort of tyres are you after?

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Chris Davies said:

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Chris Davies said:

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:13:48 +0100, <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> 24V A PEUGEOT 21 SPEED GENTS MOUNTAIN
> BIKE WITH ALLOY WHEELS AND SHIMANO GS GEARS.
>
>
I would make a guess that this one is older than the others, but
assuming
it is in good nick would be one I'd be interested in. Puegeot have made
some nice MTBs. The've made some [censored] ones too. Without looking at it,
it's very hard to give advice.

A quick look at ebay shows:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3696734847&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

Nice looking but simple Ridgeback.

thanks Chris. I put in a bid. I will replace the tyres to something a
bit more road like.

Did you get it? What sort of tyres are you after?

I was outbid and it was in Stoke, So I am waiting for a ridgeback to
come up in the London area, when I get it I will contact you regarding
the tyres.