Stiff Back

dwacon said:

Had an 80-minute massage at a spa, ended with me on my
back. I had difficulty sitting up, my lower back felt
"locked."

Had to curl into fetal position and rock sideways to get
off table. It took several minutes before the pain
subsided and I was able to walk normally.

Not sure what caused the lower back to lock up like
that... any ideas?

A couple weeks before that, had a 15-minute chair massage
which left the back feeling a little tense but nothing as
bad as the spa experience.

Possibly too long a massage?

sue

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Had an 80-minute massage at a spa, ended with me on my
back. I had difficulty sitting up, my lower back felt
"locked."

Had to curl into fetal position and rock sideways to get
off table. It

took

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several minutes before the pain subsided and I was able to
walk normally.

Not sure what caused the lower back to lock up like
that... any ideas?

A couple weeks before that, had a 15-minute chair massage
which left the back feeling a little tense but nothing as
bad as the spa experience.

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I would suggest a shorter massage, the pillows/bolsters as
suggested elsewhere plus maybe ending the massage with you
on your stomach and ask the MT to use some form of heat
before you have to get up.

Do you have problems with your lower back? Why were you
getting the massage?

T

Sometimes lying prone on a firm table for a long period of
time can cause that. Not sure if it is because your
sacrospinalis (lumbar muscles) are in a lengthened position
or another reason. I might suggest you have the therapist
place a pillow under your hips when prone (face down) next
time. It might help.

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Had an 80-minute massage at a spa, ended with me on my
back. I had difficulty sitting up, my lower back felt
"locked."

Had to curl into fetal position and rock sideways to get
off table. It

took

Quoted message said:

several minutes before the pain subsided and I was able
to walk

normally.

Quoted message said:

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Not sure what caused the lower back to lock up like
that... any ideas?

A couple weeks before that, had a 15-minute chair
massage which left the back feeling a little tense but
nothing as bad as the spa experience.

--

I would suggest a shorter massage, the pillows/bolsters as
suggested elsewhere plus maybe ending the massage with you
on your stomach and ask

the

Quoted message said:

MT to use some form of heat before you have to get up.

Do you have problems with your lower back? Why were you
getting the

massage?

I was on vacation so thought I would splurge with the whole
spa treatment. I had a pillow under my knees while on my
back. The MT removed it before leaving the room. I struggled
to sit upright because of the pain. May check out a
chiropractor to make sure there is no problem.

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And under your knees when you're on your back.

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Sometimes lying prone on a firm table for a long period of
time can cause that. Not sure if it is because your
sacrospinalis (lumbar muscles) are in

a

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lengthened position or another reason. I might suggest you
have the therapist place a pillow under your hips when
prone (face down) next time. It might help.

mossrite said:

Sometimes lying prone on a firm table for a long period of
time can cause that. Not sure if it is because your
sacrospinalis (lumbar muscles) are in a lengthened
position or another reason. I might suggest you have the
therapist place a pillow under your hips when prone (face
down) next time. It might help.

What can also work is a pillow or bolster under the ankles
when face down, then move it under the knees when face up.

sue

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Had an 80-minute massage at a spa, ended with me on my
back. I had difficulty sitting up, my lower back felt
"locked."

Had to curl into fetal position and rock sideways to
get off table.

It

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took

Quoted message said:

several minutes before the pain subsided and I was
able to walk

normally.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Not sure what caused the lower back to lock up like
that... any ideas?

A couple weeks before that, had a 15-minute chair
massage which left

the

Quoted message said:

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back feeling a little tense but nothing as bad as the
spa experience.

--

I would suggest a shorter massage, the pillows/bolsters
as suggested elsewhere plus maybe ending the massage
with you on your stomach and ask

the

Quoted message said:

MT to use some form of heat before you have to get up.

Do you have problems with your lower back? Why were you
getting the

massage?

I was on vacation so thought I would splurge with the
whole spa treatment. I had a pillow under my knees while
on my back. The MT removed it before leaving the room. I
struggled to sit upright because of the pain. May check
out a chiropractor to make sure there is no problem.

Do you get stiff like that in the morning after a
nights sleep?

T

Bet the answer is "No", and that the poster is a side-lying
sleeper, with knees bent.

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Do you get stiff like that in the morning after a
nights sleep?

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> Had an 80-minute massage at a spa, ended with me on
> my back. I had difficulty sitting up, my lower back
> felt "locked."
>
> Had to curl into fetal position and rock sideways to
> get off table.

It

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took
> several minutes before the pain subsided and I was
> able to walk

normally.

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>
> Not sure what caused the lower back to lock up like
> that... any

ideas?

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>
> A couple weeks before that, had a 15-minute chair
> massage which left

the

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> back feeling a little tense but nothing as bad as
> the spa

experience.

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> --

I would suggest a shorter massage, the
pillows/bolsters as suggested elsewhere plus maybe
ending the massage with you on your stomach and

ask

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the

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MT to use some form of heat before you have to get up.

Do you have problems with your lower back? Why were
you getting the

massage?

I was on vacation so thought I would splurge with the
whole spa

treatment.

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I had a pillow under my knees while on my back. The MT
removed it

before

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leaving the room. I struggled to sit upright because of
the pain. May check out a chiropractor to make sure
there is no problem.

Do you get stiff like that in the morning after a
nights sleep?

On RARE occasions if sleeping in a strange (e.g.,
hotel) bed.

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Bet a 80 minute massage he lies on his stomach. lol

JK... unless you live near me.

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Bet the answer is "No", and that the poster is a side-
lying sleeper, with knees bent.

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Do you get stiff like that in the morning after a nights
sleep?

But, Tiffany, how are we to know? Are you volunteering to
receive the massage? I'll bet I could convince you that 80
minutes is not too long. And no fair expecting to
reciprocate. I believe that 'tis more blessed to give than
receive, and I do so enjoy doing massage on someone that
knows what to expect and is willing to give good feedback.
Why, just head, face, scalp, and neck would take more than
20 minutes. Gotta get those feet and hands, and the parts
that are attached. Ready to have that tummy rubbed like it
should be done? And all the other places that call for
attention, too. Hmm..I'm thinking shoulders and right
shoulderblade area.

Hydration breaks (intake and discharge) don't count against
that time.

C'mon, 'dwacon', tell us if you sleep on your stomach or
your side. Either way, Tiffany can 'collect' if she happens
to live near me.

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Bet a 80 minute massage he lies on his stomach. lol

JK... unless you live near me.

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Bet the answer is "No", and that the poster is a side-
lying sleeper,

with

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knees bent.

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Do you get stiff like that in the morning after a
nights sleep?

Still waiting on the word from the OP. lol

I would definitely volunteer to receive the massage and no
way would I think 80 minutes was to long, as long as you
are good! I had some massage's that I thought 30 minutes
was to long. 🙂 Of course, I am not a sponge so we would
have to trade. I enjoy sharing technique and getting good
feedback also.

So where the heck are you anyways? Probably a million miles
away, with my luck.

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But, Tiffany, how are we to know? Are you volunteering to
receive the massage? I'll bet I could convince you that 80
minutes is not too long. And no fair expecting to
reciprocate. I believe that 'tis more blessed to give than
receive, and I do so enjoy

doing

Quoted message said:

massage on someone that knows what to expect and is
willing to give good feedback. Why, just head, face,
scalp, and neck would take more than 20 minutes.

Gotta

Quoted message said:

get those feet and hands, and the parts that are attached.
Ready to have that tummy rubbed like it should be done?
And all the other places that

call

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for attention, too. Hmm..I'm thinking shoulders and right
shoulderblade area.

Hydration breaks (intake and discharge) don't count
against that time.

C'mon, 'dwacon', tell us if you sleep on your stomach or
your side. Either way, Tiffany can 'collect' if she
happens to live near me.

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Bet a 80 minute massage he lies on his stomach. lol

JK... unless you live near me.

T "Michael Baugh" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Bet the answer is "No", and that the poster is a side-
lying sleeper,

with

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knees bent.

Tiffany <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Do you get stiff like that in the morning after a
> nights sleep?

Ya know, I get the notion that you have a problem with being
able to say "Attend to me. Treat me as the Queen I am".
Instead you speak of it as an obligatory trade, or you would
see yourself as a parasite. A "sponge". Sounds like some
issues that need to be dealt with. I'll bet you have more
responsibility on your shoulders than you think is fair, and
that you have difficulty with simply being pampered for its
own sake. Takes quite a bit of training to get past that. No
need to tell me how close I am. I've trained children and
spouses in how to give and receive safe and effective
massage. And I do it for its own sake.
I...simply...enjoy...it. Some people run, some people play
golf, I do massage. Too bad I have to find someone else to
be a participant in my 'hobby', but it's not difficult,
especially when they know that the only expectation on them
is to let me know if anything makes them feel uncomfortable
in any way. But for you, it's probably a moot point. I'm in
Louisville, Kentucky.

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Still waiting on the word from the OP. lol

I would definitely volunteer to receive the massage and no
way would I

think

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80 minutes was to long, as long as you are good! I had
some massage's that

I

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thought 30 minutes was to long. 🙂 Of course, I am not a
sponge so we

would

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have to trade. I enjoy sharing technique and getting good
feedback also.

So where the heck are you anyways? Probably a million
miles away, with my luck.

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But, Tiffany, how are we to know? Are you volunteering
to receive the massage? I'll bet I could convince

you

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Quoted message said:

that 80 minutes is not too long. And no fair expecting
to reciprocate.

I

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believe that 'tis more blessed to give than receive, and
I do so enjoy

doing

Quoted message said:

massage on someone that knows what to expect and is
willing to give good feedback. Why, just head, face,
scalp, and neck would take more than 20 minutes.

Gotta

Quoted message said:

get those feet and hands, and the parts that are
attached. Ready to have that tummy rubbed like it should
be done? And all the other places that

call

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for attention, too. Hmm..I'm thinking shoulders and
right shoulderblade area.

Hydration breaks (intake and discharge) don't count
against that time.

C'mon, 'dwacon', tell us if you sleep on your stomach or
your side.

Either

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

way, Tiffany can 'collect' if she happens to live
near me.

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Bet a 80 minute massage he lies on his stomach. lol

JK... unless you live near me.

T "Michael Baugh" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> Bet the answer is "No", and that the poster is a side-
> lying sleeper,

with

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> knees bent.
>
> Tiffany <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Do you get stiff like that in the morning after a
> > nights sleep?
>
>
>

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Still waiting on the word from the OP. lol

Sorry, I must have missed a strand in the thread. What was
the question?

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I don't think it would be obligatory, more of a way to show respect. Oh
yeah, and not be a sponge. 🙂

I have a lot of responsibility, yes. Is it fair? I asked for
it. I am getting better at the pampering myself, I would
never have done anything for myself in the past but as my
child gets older, it gets easier. Plus I need the massage to
prevent headaches. The occasional pedicure is also something
I do that I do consider pampering. The massage is for
medical as well as ABT or acupuncture. So to some, I treat
myself very well. I just think I am doing what I need to do
to stay healthy.

I am a bit far, in PA. If I am in the area, I will let you
know.

What does 'moot point' mean?

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Ya know, I get the notion that you have a problem with
being able to say "Attend to me. Treat me as the Queen I
am". Instead you speak of it as an obligatory trade, or
you would see yourself

as

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a parasite. A "sponge". Sounds like some issues that need
to be dealt

with.

Quoted message said:

I'll bet you have more responsibility on your shoulders
than you think is fair, and that you have difficulty with
simply being pampered for its own sake. Takes quite a bit
of training to get past that. No need to tell me how close
I am. I've trained children and spouses in how to give and
receive safe and effective massage. And I do it for its
own sake. I...simply...enjoy...it. Some people run, some
people play golf, I do massage. Too bad I have to

find

Quoted message said:

someone else to be a participant in my 'hobby', but it's
not difficult, especially when they know that the only
expectation on them is to let me know if anything makes
them feel uncomfortable in any way. But for you, it's
probably a moot point. I'm in Louisville, Kentucky.

Tiffany <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Still waiting on the word from the OP. lol

I would definitely volunteer to receive the massage and
no way would I

think

Quoted message said:

80 minutes was to long, as long as you are good! I had
some massage's

that

Quoted message said:

I

Quoted message said:

thought 30 minutes was to long. 🙂 Of course, I am not a
sponge so we

would

Quoted message said:

have to trade. I enjoy sharing technique and getting
good feedback also.

So where the heck are you anyways? Probably a million
miles away, with

my

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Quoted message said:

luck.

T "Michael Baugh" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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But, Tiffany, how are we to know? Are you volunteering
to receive the massage? I'll bet I could convince

you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that 80 minutes is not too long. And no fair
expecting to

reciprocate.

Quoted message said:

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

believe that 'tis more blessed to give than receive,
and I do so enjoy

doing

Quoted message said:

massage on someone that knows what to expect and is
willing to give

good

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

feedback. Why, just head, face, scalp, and neck would
take more than 20 minutes.

Gotta

Quoted message said:

get those feet and hands, and the parts that are
attached. Ready to

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that tummy rubbed like it should be done? And all the
other places

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

call

Quoted message said:

for attention, too. Hmm..I'm thinking shoulders and
right

shoulderblade

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Quoted message said:

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area.

Hydration breaks (intake and discharge) don't count
against that time.

C'mon, 'dwacon', tell us if you sleep on your stomach
or your side.

Either

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

way, Tiffany can 'collect' if she happens to live
near me.

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> Bet a 80 minute massage he lies on his stomach. lol
>
> JK... unless you live near me.
>
> T "Michael Baugh" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> > Bet the answer is "No", and that the poster is a
> > side-lying

sleeper,

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with
> > knees bent.
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> > Tiffany <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > Do you get stiff like that in the morning after
> > > a nights sleep?
> >
> >
> >
>
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Do you sleep on your stomach or your side? Enquiring(sic)
minds want to know.

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Still waiting on the word from the OP. lol

Sorry, I must have missed a strand in the thread. What was
the question?

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A moot point is a matter that can be debated, but that has
no significance.

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What does 'moot point' mean?

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Do you sleep on your stomach or your side? Enquiring(sic)
minds want to know.

Both.

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lol
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Do you sleep on your stomach or your side?
Enquiring(sic) minds want to know.

Both.

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