Steve Jobs on Computers as Bikes for Mind

"Daniel Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I found it interesting that he said "tool builders" and not "tool
users", though, given what lengths his company goes to prevent, say,
iPhone owners from building anything on them other than what Apple
decrees is OK (and the same is seen throughout the computer industry
to greater or lesser extents, with EULAs and so on). No bike
manufacturer anywhere prevents you from doing what you want to the
bike you own. *That's* a platform for tool building.

-dan

Come on, Dan. If Jobs opened up the iPhone then he'd have a support
nightmare. The PC world has proven that beyond doubt. BTW, man is both a
tool builder and a tool user.

On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:56:34 -0400

Roger Zoul said:

BTW, man is
both a tool builder and a tool user.

Who makes the tools to make the tools to make the tools ... ?
:-)

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Come on, Dan. If Jobs opened up the iPhone ....... BTW, man is both a
| tool builder and a tool user.

Builder and User are superfluous.

pOB

PoB said:

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|
| Come on, Dan. If Jobs opened up the iPhone ....... BTW, man is both a
| tool builder and a tool user.

Builder and User are superfluous.

I disagree. Many lower primates use sticks and other objects found in
nature as tools, but do not modify or build them to any great extent.

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Artemisia said:

Sorry if this has been posted already. I thought it was cute.

EFR
At a computer in Ile de France

Very interesting.

Thanks for sharing.

Lewis.

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Mike Jacoubowsky said:

...It
would be fun to come up with bike equivalents to such things as the
BSOD (Black Screen of Death).

For me, it's hearing that /crack!/ when tightening a stem bolt. (Haven't
done it in years...quick learner.)

Bill "and my death screen is blue" S.

"Paul M. Hobson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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PoB said:

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|
| Come on, Dan. If Jobs opened up the iPhone ....... BTW, man is both a
| tool builder and a tool user.

Builder and User are superfluous.

I disagree. Many lower primates use sticks and other objects found in
nature as tools, but do not modify or build them to any great extent.

But they were only given the idea by the big black monolith ;-)

In article <[email hidden]>,
Daniel Barlow <[email hidden]> writes in part:

Quoted message said:

I found it interesting that he said "tool builders" and not "tool
users", though,

Whuddaya expect from an (erstwhile?) Unix guy? ;-)

Quoted message said:

given what lengths his company goes to prevent, say,
iPhone owners from building anything on them other than what Apple
decrees is OK (and the same is seen throughout the computer industry
to greater or lesser extents, with EULAs and so on).

It's called "proprietism." At least, I think it is,
although I may have just coined a word.

cheers, & standards (and backward compatibility) are good,
Tom

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I'm really at:
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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Tom Keats)

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Daniel Barlow <[email hidden]> writes in part:

Quoted message said:

I found it interesting that he said "tool builders" and not "tool
users", though,

Whuddaya expect from an (erstwhile?) Unix guy? ;-)

Quoted message said:

given what lengths his company goes to prevent, say,
iPhone owners from building anything on them other than what Apple
decrees is OK (and the same is seen throughout the computer industry
to greater or lesser extents, with EULAs and so on).

It's called "proprietism." At least, I think it is,
although I may have just coined a word.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietism

Technically, the iPhone is not proprietistic. It does use a semi-closed
development-and-delivery model (how closed? Well, I have a copy of the
iPhone SDK, so not very).

OTOH, the philosophy of the iPhone as an app platform is primarily
(though by no means exclusively) to provide a first-rate mobile web
browser and serve apps as web apps.

Which, after all, seems to be the going thing these days.

Work just gave me a Blackberry,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Paul M. Hobson said:

PoB said:

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|
| Come on, Dan. If Jobs opened up the iPhone ....... BTW, man is both a
| tool builder and a tool user.

Builder and User are superfluous.

I disagree. Many lower primates use sticks and other objects found in
nature as tools, but do not modify or build them to any great extent.

Crows are better at tool building than are chimpanzees.

Crows of New Caledonia fashion insect traps from leaves.
<http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/04/0423_030423_crowtools.html>

This one made a hook from a piece of wire.
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2178920.stm.
--
zk

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Quoted message said:

PoB said:

[Tool] Builder and [Tool] User are superfluous.

Quoted message said:

Paul M. Hobson said:

I disagree. Many lower primates use sticks and other objects found in
nature as tools, but do not modify or build them to any great extent.

Zoot Katz said:

Crows are better at tool building than are chimpanzees.

Crows of New Caledonia fashion insect traps from leaves.
<http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/04/0423_030423_crowtools.html>

This one made a hook from a piece of wire.
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2178920.stm.

Wow. Interesting reads. Thanks for the links.

\\paul
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Paul M. Hobson
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