Stealin' Underground.com?

[email hidden] (CowPunk) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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I almost felt sorry for the poor guy and sent him $1,
until I read this.

http://www.stolenunderground.com/id79.html

"Below are the top list of Spy Gadgets we will use."
<picture of Yamaha R1>
<picture of Honda CBR>

I guess, once a cheat, always a cheat?

Send us money...we need to go to SFGP since we "Must have a presence
at SF". Seriously - these guys think that the bicycling public owes
it to them to pay for their vacation to SF? If there was ever a
question these guys are complete screwballs, this page you just
referenced confirms it. Original Ninjas...? I wonder how many "Hit
Points" they have and if they carry their own 20 sided dice. Sheeeet.

-a

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[email hidden] (Andrew Martin)

Quoted message said:

Send us money...we need to go to SFGP since we "Must have a presence
at SF". Seriously - these guys think that the bicycling public owes
it to them to pay for their vacation to SF? If there was ever a
question these guys are complete screwballs, this page you just
referenced confirms it. Original Ninjas...? I wonder how many "Hit
Points" they have and if they carry their own 20 sided dice. Sheeeet.

-a

If he thinks they are Ninjas he's gone completely off the deep end. One of the
hallmarks of a great martial artist, and all real ninjas were, is control of
emotion.
I don't think anyone is going to argue that Crit Pro is in control.
Bill C

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (Andrew Martin)

Quoted message said:

Send us money...we need to go to SFGP since we "Must have a presence
at SF". Seriously - these guys think that the bicycling public owes
it to them to pay for their vacation to SF? If there was ever a
question these guys are complete screwballs, this page you just
referenced confirms it. Original Ninjas...? I wonder how many "Hit
Points" they have and if they carry their own 20 sided dice. Sheeeet.

-a

If he thinks they are Ninjas he's gone completely off the deep end. One of the
hallmarks of a great martial artist, and all real ninjas were, is control of
emotion.
I don't think anyone is going to argue that Crit Pro is in control.
Bill C

[email hidden] (CowPunk) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I almost felt sorry for the poor guy and sent him $1,
until I read this.

http://www.stolenunderground.com/id79.html

"Below are the top list of Spy Gadgets we will use."
<picture of Yamaha R1>
<picture of Honda CBR>

I guess, once a cheat, always a cheat?

I don't understand, how does wanting to dress up in camo ninja
suits and ride around on crotch-rockets make you a cheat?

When I saw that page for the first time, I thought a 16 year old
had made it, total James Bond stuff. Then I went down the page,
and it was kinda freaky, like stalker type stuff.
i do read the site everyday, it's great, he loses it, puts up
some crazy stuff, deletes it, issues retractions and apologies,
then gets angry, reposts, makes more angry accusations.
I have cut partially hydrogenated soybean oil of of my diet completely,
and I didn't know they feed stray animals to cows, thats to make the air
smell like cow farts, right?

In article <[email hidden]>,

(mike schatzman) said:

[email hidden] (CowPunk) wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I almost felt sorry for the poor guy and sent him $1,
until I read this.

http://www.stolenunderground.com/id79.html

"Below are the top list of Spy Gadgets we will use."
<picture of Yamaha R1>
<picture of Honda CBR>

I guess, once a cheat, always a cheat?

I don't understand, how does wanting to dress up in camo ninja
suits and ride around on crotch-rockets make you a cheat?

When I saw that page for the first time, I thought a 16 year old
had made it, total James Bond stuff. Then I went down the page,
and it was kinda freaky, like stalker type stuff.

Ninjas? http://www.realultimatepower.net/

--
tanx,
Howard

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
Albert Einstein

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

TritonRider said:

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (Andrew Martin)

Quoted message said:

Send us money...we need to go to SFGP since we "Must have a presence
at SF". Seriously - these guys think that the bicycling public owes
it to them to pay for their vacation to SF? If there was ever a
question these guys are complete screwballs, this page you just
referenced confirms it. Original Ninjas...? I wonder how many "Hit
Points" they have and if they carry their own 20 sided dice. Sheeeet.

-a

If he thinks they are Ninjas he's gone completely off the deep end. One of the
hallmarks of a great martial artist, and all real ninjas were, is control of
emotion.
I don't think anyone is going to argue that Crit Pro is in control.
Bill C

The hallmark of a ninja is secrecy -- anyone who tells you they're a
ninja or in ninja training is the martial arts equivelent of a Fred.

On 08 Sep 2004 09:51:35 EDT, Richard Adams <[email hidden]>

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The hallmark of a ninja is secrecy -- anyone who tells you they're a
ninja or in ninja training is the martial arts equivelent of a Fred.

A poseur. The equivalent of a Fred would pull out a pipe wrench and
hit you with it. Simplicity and gets the job done with a minimum of
fuss and absolutey no training. You can do it wearing black socks and
tennis shoes, which once was a mark of a Fred, but is now much
confused.

My brother preferred quart beer bottles, but that's because he was
more likely to have one of those handy than a pipe wrench. He also
preferred to use it while the other guy was still talking. Not much in
the secrecy area, but sneaky can work.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

[email hidden] (mike schatzman) wrote in message cheat?

Quoted message said:

I don't understand, how does wanting to dress up in camo ninja
suits and ride around on crotch-rockets make you a cheat?

It's where he gets the money to buy a crotch rocket, that
makes him a cheat. ie. your donated $$$ to the SU website.

Quoted message said:

I have cut partially hydrogenated soybean oil of of my diet completely,
and I didn't know they feed stray animals to cows, thats to make the air
smell like cow farts, right?

What's a "Stray Animal"? 🙂
You mean "animal by-products"?
or the stuff they can't even use for pet food...

You eat fish don't you? Were they raised on a farm?
What do you think is in fish food? same stuff.

and chickens, turkeys, goats, lambs, hogs? same stuff.
ground-up animal parts...

CJD for everyone!

[email hidden] (CowPunk) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (mike schatzman) wrote in message cheat?

Quoted message said:

I don't understand, how does wanting to dress up in camo ninja
suits and ride around on crotch-rockets make you a cheat?

It's where he gets the money to buy a crotch rocket, that
makes him a cheat. ie. your donated $$$ to the SU website.

Quoted message said:

I have cut partially hydrogenated soybean oil of of my diet completely,
and I didn't know they feed stray animals to cows, thats to make the air
smell like cow farts, right?

What's a "Stray Animal"? 🙂
You mean "animal by-products"?
or the stuff they can't even use for pet food...

You eat fish don't you? Were they raised on a farm?
What do you think is in fish food? same stuff.

and chickens, turkeys, goats, lambs, hogs? same stuff.
ground-up animal parts...

CJD for everyone!

I still don't understand, a stray animal is a homeless animal.
here in the usa it's a huge problem.
I eat fish, salmon mostly. what is fish food, arent' they yanked out the ocean?
tons of chicken.
a little hog.
I'm confused, am I gonna die?

In article <[email hidden]>,

(mike schatzman) said:

I eat fish, salmon mostly. what is fish food, arent' they yanked out the
ocean?

There's a little difference between wild caught fish and farmed fish.
The fish pellets that they feed farmed fish seem to be mostly fish meal.
These pellets have other things in them that enhance the growth rate of the
fish (wild can spend a few weeks to two years in fresh water, then one to
four years at sea, while farmed hit market weight in 14 to 18 months), but
some of those additives can lead to a heavier load of fat in the fish
(granted, it's omega-3 fat, so it's "good" fat). Salmon meat, by the way,
gets its color from the fish's diet. Wild salmon eat lots of small shrimp
and krill (the one valid use for that word in this forum) which contain the
natural pigment astaxanthin. The fish feed makers have been putting a
synthesized version of that pigment (and a related one that can be found in
plants like carrots) in the pellets for a while (USFDA approved it in '95),
but there's a newer version which comes from a yeast that could be thought
of as more natural.

Wild caught salmon just tastes better.

Quoted message said:

I'm confused, am I gonna die?

Aren't we all, and, eventually, yes.

--
tanx,
Howard

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
Albert Einstein

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(mike schatzman) said:

I eat fish, salmon mostly. what is fish food, arent' they yanked out the
ocean?

There's a little difference between wild caught fish and farmed fish.
The fish pellets that they feed farmed fish seem to be mostly fish meal.
These pellets have other things in them that enhance the growth rate of the
fish (wild can spend a few weeks to two years in fresh water, then one to
four years at sea, while farmed hit market weight in 14 to 18 months), but
some of those additives can lead to a heavier load of fat in the fish
(granted, it's omega-3 fat, so it's "good" fat). Salmon meat, by the way,
gets its color from the fish's diet. Wild salmon eat lots of small shrimp
and krill (the one valid use for that word in this forum) which contain the
natural pigment astaxanthin. The fish feed makers have been putting a
synthesized version of that pigment (and a related one that can be found in
plants like carrots) in the pellets for a while (USFDA approved it in '95),
but there's a newer version which comes from a yeast that could be thought
of as more natural.

Wild caught salmon just tastes better.

The best salmon I ever had was from my grill 4 hours after I pulled it
from the ocean. The best sushi was some yellowfin tuna that I'd caught
an hour earlier.

-WG

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The fish pellets that they feed farmed fish seem to be mostly fish meal.

Your confusing "fish meal" with "fish feed"...

I'm no expert but,
"Fish meal" is ground up waste materials from fish processing plants.
Fish guts, scales, skin, brains, eyes, bones, etc...
It's also fed to many other animals, besides your dog and cat:
http://agrifor.ac.uk/browse/cabi/999fefa4cacaa44f310649bdf38a3a1b.html
Not only is it a great fertilizer, but can be fed to cattle, dairy
cows, poultry, swine, and pets. Imagine that, a fertilizer and food...

"Fish feed" on the other hand can be something different. I know
that our neighbor fed his catfish, dog food. And you might find
the same thing for many catfish farms. Generally, they are going
to feed the cheapest feed they can find... ie. waste from a
food processing plant. It could be pet food, cow guts, pig guts,
no one really knows...

Personally, I don't eat fish any longer, well rarely. I actually
love to eat fish, and I'm dissapointed that they are so contaminated,
even the ones I catch in high-mountain streams/ponds here in CO.

Quoted message said:

These pellets have other things in them

hormones. antibiotics, steroids, heavy metals...

Howard Kveck <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

There's a little difference between wild caught fish and farmed fish.
The fish pellets that they feed farmed fish seem to be mostly fish meal.
These pellets have other things in them that enhance the growth rate of the
fish (wild can spend a few weeks to two years in fresh water, then one to
four years at sea, while farmed hit market weight in 14 to 18 months), but
some of those additives can lead to a heavier load of fat in the fish
(granted, it's omega-3 fat, so it's "good" fat). Salmon meat, by the way,
gets its color from the fish's diet. Wild salmon eat lots of small shrimp
and krill (the one valid use for that word in this forum) which contain the
natural pigment astaxanthin. The fish feed makers have been putting a
synthesized version of that pigment (and a related one that can be found in
plants like carrots) in the pellets for a while (USFDA approved it in '95),
but there's a newer version which comes from a yeast that could be thought
of as more natural.

you're back ?

i thought you were cooking for t-mobile at the vuelta - what happened ?

-amit

In article <[email hidden]>,

(CowPunk) said:

Quoted message said:

The fish pellets that they feed farmed fish seem to be mostly fish meal.

Your confusing "fish meal" with "fish feed"...

The books I have all say "pellets of feed made mainly from fish meal".

Quoted message said:

I'm no expert but, "Fish meal" is ground up waste materials from fish
processing plants. Fish guts, scales, skin, brains, eyes, bones, etc...

That's the stuff. The main thing they're looking for is a proper balance
of protein and fat.

Quoted message said:

It's also fed to many other animals, besides your dog and cat:
http://agrifor.ac.uk/browse/cabi/999fefa4cacaa44f310649bdf38a3a1b.html
Not only is it a great fertilizer, but can be fed to cattle, dairy
cows, poultry, swine, and pets. Imagine that, a fertilizer and food...

"Fish feed" on the other hand can be something different. I know
that our neighbor fed his catfish, dog food. And you might find
the same thing for many catfish farms. Generally, they are going
to feed the cheapest feed they can find... ie. waste from a
food processing plant. It could be pet food, cow guts, pig guts,
no one really knows...

I think they keep it fish related because the primary food source of
fish (like salmon or rainbow trout - two very commonly farmed fish) is fish
or small crustaceans. It's likely that they keep feeding the fish that kind
of stuff to keep the taste consistent.

Quoted message said:

Personally, I don't eat fish any longer, well rarely. I actually
love to eat fish, and I'm dissapointed that they are so contaminated,
even the ones I catch in high-mountain streams/ponds here in CO.

That's a problem. But I think that eating that kind of stuff once a week
or less frequently won't cause you any problems.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

These pellets have other things in them

hormones. antibiotics, steroids, heavy metals...

Those are all good possibilties, but I don't know for sure. None of my
sources (at least the ones I look at regularly) got very specific on the
issue.

--
tanx,
Howard

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
Albert Einstein

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(Amit) said:

Howard Kveck <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

There's a little difference between wild caught fish and farmed fish.

Quoted message said:

you're back ?

i thought you were cooking for t-mobile at the vuelta - what happened ?

-amit

Chef How-Ar-Dee was not there. (good one, btw.)

--
tanx,
Howard

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
Albert Einstein

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In article <[email hidden]>,

warren said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Howard Kveck <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Wild caught salmon just tastes better.

The best salmon I ever had was from my grill 4 hours after I pulled it
from the ocean. The best sushi was some yellowfin tuna that I'd caught
an hour earlier.

-WG

I don't doubt that at all. That *had* to be good...

--
tanx,
Howard

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
Albert Einstein

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Amit) said:

i thought you were cooking for t-mobile at the vuelta - what happened ?

-amit

Actually, there's something interesting about that. From the two news
articles on it in Cyclingnews, I get the impression that T-Mobile didn't
have a chef along for this race. First, through comments by Cadel Evans,
then by this one:

"The Hotel Palafox, where both T-Mobile and Liberty Seguros stayed on
Tuesday evening, issued a statement via the Vuelta's organisers saying
that both teams received exactly the same menu, except that Liberty Seguros
wasn't served the rice pudding."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/sep04/sep09news3
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/sep04/sep10news

Evans' description of the "fish salad" doesn't sound too good:

"salad with iceberg lettuce, fish, tinned asparagus"

--
tanx,
Howard

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
Albert Einstein

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck said:

"The Hotel Palafox, where both T-Mobile and Liberty Seguros stayed on
Tuesday evening, issued a statement via the Vuelta's organisers saying
that both teams received exactly the same menu, except that Liberty Seguros
wasn't served the rice pudding."

Rice pudding.
Orange juice.
Crikey.

Stewart Fleming said:

Howard Kveck said:

"The Hotel Palafox, where both T-Mobile and Liberty Seguros stayed
on Tuesday evening, issued a statement via the Vuelta's organisers
saying that both teams received exactly the same menu, except that
Liberty Seguros wasn't served the rice pudding."

Rice pudding.
Orange juice.
Crikey.

Pudding is a terrible thing to do to rice.