Statistics, statisics and ...

Nancy Young said:

Did I read this the other day? 1 out of 4 Americans eat fast food every day. I couldn't find the
exact quote.

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At the festival in Park City, Utah, he has had teams handing out "Unhappy Meal" bags on the streets
with a few "Fat Fun Facts". For instance, one in four Americans visits a fast-food restaurant every
day. And did you know that McDonald's feeds more people around the world every day than the
population of Spain? The makers have self-rated the film "F" - for "fat audiences".

What they don't say is 1 in 3 of those "1 of 4 Americans" visit a fast food restaurant just to use
the bathroom.

OK - So I just made that up.

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Okay, you have A, B, C & D. Do they mean A eats fast food every day? the rest who knows how
often, or ...

Does A eat fast food Sunday, B Monday, etc. If so, big whoop. That means A, B and C eats fast food
twice a week. I don't think that is out of line.

It means out of 10,000 typical, random people, 2,500 of them will eat from a fast food restaurant on
any given day.

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What is fast food, anyway? Does my once a week pizza count? Or the occasional sub I order from the
local deli? Or is it just the usual chain burger places?

There are plenty of definitions out there. It's bascially any food prepared and/or served quickly.
AKA "Quick Service" in the industry. It's not limited to any type of food. It can even be milkshake.

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60% of Americans are obese. Really, is that a fact? I would really love to hear where they
came up with that one. Do doctors report that? because I don't recall the census asking my
height or weight.

Like all studies, thay are taken from a random sampling of people. DOing surverys is a whole industy
in itself. How much do you weigh, anyway? For my files...

"Obese", I beleive, is considered 25 or more lbs over the standard weight for your height.

I would argue that if 60% of people are obese, how can the other 40% be a majority that deterines
the average weight in the first place? Maybe 40% of the people are underweight, insetad.

-sw

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... you know the rest.

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nancy (just really wondering how these numbers are formulated)

73.8% of all statisics are just made up.

:-)

--
Dan Abel Sonoma State University AIS [email hidden]

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Nancy Young askes how are obesity statistics compiled:

(laughing) Okay, I'm done now.

nancy (just really wondering how these numbers are formulated)

Most all major US employers track their emplyee's physical well being via means of periodical
medical exams, whereas the statics gathered are shared with disability insurance carriers, and most
folks realize that insurers are in fact actuaries... and if that's not enough there are many, many
other means for gathering health statistics. But by far the primary gatherer of obesity statistics
is the clothing industry... the tape measure doesn't lie.

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... you know the rest.

I keep seeing all of these quotes, mostly here, about how many times people eat fast food, how
many Americans are obese, etc.

Did I read this the other day? 1 out of 4 Americans eat fast food every day. I couldn't find the
exact quote.

Okay, you have A, B, C & D. Do they mean A eats fast food every day? the rest who knows how
often, or ...

Does A eat fast food Sunday, B Monday, etc. If so, big whoop. That means A, B and C eats fast food
twice a week. I don't think that is out of line.

What is fast food, anyway? Does my once a week pizza count? Or the occasional sub I order from the
local deli? Or is it just the usual chain burger places?

60% of Americans are obese. Really, is that a fact? I would really love to hear where they came
up with that one. Do doctors report that? because I don't recall the census asking my height or
weight. So, exactly how are they determining this number? If it's doctors, gee, maybe obese
people go to the doctor more often? I don't know how much I weigh, how do these statistics
reporters know?

Because it comes up here so often, when I'm in large crowds (no pun intended), I sometimes take a
quick look around. Go tailgating at a football game, look around, plenty of skinny people. Mall?
Same deal. 60% obese? No. Perhaps it's a regional thing. Most of the people I see do not need to
lose weight.

While I'm at it, what is obese, anyway. I seem to recall that when I was a teenager, it was
explained that 10% over your ideal weight is considered obese. Someone somewhere decided that my
ideal weight at 5'2" is 108 to 115, something like that. By that rule, if I weigh much more than
125, I'm obese. But when the news shows go on about how many of us are obese, they drag out film
footage of people who really should think about eating less. In other words, using the word obese
and then showing the most extreme examples.

(laughing) Okay, I'm done now.

nancy (just really wondering how these numbers are formulated)

I don't have the answers for you, Nancy....but did you see the comics, I think it was 2 Sundays ago,
when they had the family around the table, the Stats? They were each spouting off statistics and the
last one says "64.3% of statistics are incorrect" or something to that effect. It was funny.

kimberly

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Nancy Young said:

... you know the rest.

I keep seeing all of these quotes, mostly here, about how many times people eat fast food, how many
Americans are obese, etc.

Did I read this the other day? 1 out of 4 Americans eat fast food every day. I couldn't find the
exact quote.

Okay, you have A, B, C & D. Do they mean A eats fast food every day? the rest who knows how
often, or ...

Does A eat fast food Sunday, B Monday, etc. If so, big whoop. That means A, B and C eats fast food
twice a week. I don't think that is out of line.

What is fast food, anyway? Does my once a week pizza count? Or the occasional sub I order from the
local deli? Or is it just the usual chain burger places?

If you count stopping on the way to work for coffee and some type of donut, muffins or whatever as
getting fast food, that would rack up a lot of the numbers right there. And I'd assume subs-- which
can be perfectly healthy-- would count too.

Naomi D.

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Quoted message said:

... you know the rest.

I keep seeing all of these quotes, mostly here, about how many times people eat fast food, how
many Americans are obese, etc.

Did I read this the other day? 1 out of 4 Americans eat fast food every day. I couldn't find the
exact quote.

Okay, you have A, B, C & D. Do they mean A eats fast food every day? the rest who knows how
often, or ...

Does A eat fast food Sunday, B Monday, etc. If so, big whoop. That means A, B and C eats fast food
twice a week. I don't think that is out of line.

What is fast food, anyway? Does my once a week pizza count? Or the occasional sub I order from the
local deli? Or is it just the usual chain burger places?

Fast Food, from M-W:

1 : of, relating to, or specializing in food that can be prepared and served quickly <a fast-food
restaurant>
2 : designed for ready availability, use, or consumption and with little consideration given to
quality or significance <fast-food TV programming>

'Fast food' is a newer name for old ideas. A hot dog from a cart is fast food. Pizza is fast food
and so is Chinese takeout. We didn't have a fancy monicker for them then.

Quoted message said:

60% of Americans are obese. Really, is that a fact? I would really love to hear where they came
up with that one. Do doctors report that? because I don't recall the census asking my height or
weight. So, exactly how are they determining this number? If it's doctors, gee, maybe obese
people go to the doctor more often? I don't know how much I weigh, how do these statistics
reporters know?

Your driver's license has your height and weight on it. It's pretty much public knowledge what your
'stats' are. Eye color too. Your insurance company knows too. It's not like they're medical records
or anything.

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Because it comes up here so often, when I'm in large crowds (no pun intended), I sometimes take a
quick look around. Go tailgating at a football game, look around, plenty of skinny people. Mall?
Same deal. 60% obese? No. Perhaps it's a regional thing. Most of the people I see do not need to
lose weight.

While I'm at it, what is obese, anyway. I seem to recall that when I was a teenager, it was
explained that 10% over your ideal weight is considered obese. Someone somewhere decided that my
ideal weight at 5'2" is 108 to 115, something like that. By that rule, if I weigh much more than
125, I'm obese. But when the news shows go on about how many of us are obese, they drag out film
footage of people who really should think about eating less. In other words, using the word obese
and then showing the most extreme examples.

There's obese and then there's morbidly obese. Of course, when the news wants to drive the point
home, they'll trot out the 'poster child' of obesity, rather than the schlub who's merely 10 lbs
overweight.

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(laughing) Okay, I'm done now.

No no, keep going; this was a good one.

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nancy (just really wondering how these numbers are formulated)

It's that guy. You know, when someone sez 'that guy said this' or 'that guy said that'. Correlated
to THEY, as in 'they say this' or 'they say that'. Know what? THAT GUY is the president of THEY.
<insert black helicopters
here>

Jack Amalgamatedivision

Nancy Young said:

... you know the rest.

The usual quote is "There are lies, damn[ed] lies, and statistics," variously attributed to Mark
Twain who attributed it to Disraeli, and Churchill, who may have also used the phrase.

Quoted message said:

I keep seeing all of these quotes, mostly here, about how many times people eat fast food, how many
Americans are obese, etc.

Looking up the quote, I came across reference to a book titled "Damned Lies and Statistics" by Joel
Best which looks pretty interesting.

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The questions you ask are worth asking. Where *do* these numbers come from? How are they meaningful?
Obviously the 'researchers' don't ask every single person (American?) how many times he/she ate in a
fast food joint. What was their sample population? Urban? Rural? Age? Avaliability of alternatives?
Many statistics are just re-pubished from dubious source. A lot of footnotes and references does not
a truth make.

Steve Wertz said:

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:18:38 -0500, Nancy Young

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Did I read this the other day? 1 out of 4 Americans eat fast food every day. I couldn't find the
exact quote.

From:

Quoted message said:

At the festival in Park City, Utah, he has had teams handing out "Unhappy Meal" bags on the
streets with a few "Fat Fun Facts". For instance, one in four Americans visits a fast-food
restaurant every day. And did you know that McDonald's feeds more people around the world every
day than the population of Spain? The makers have self-rated the film "F" - for "fat audiences".

Ah, silly me, I searched on fast food, not fast-food.

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What they don't say is 1 in 3 of those "1 of 4 Americans" visit a fast food restaurant just to use
the bathroom.

OK - So I just made that up.

(laugh) Only when I'm on the road, and even then I can hold it, I was a camel in a former life.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Okay, you have A, B, C & D. Do they mean A eats fast food every day? the rest who knows how
often, or ...

Does A eat fast food Sunday, B Monday, etc. If so, big whoop. That means A, B and C eats fast
food twice a week. I don't think that is out of line.

It means out of 10,000 typical, random people, 2,500 of them will eat from a fast food restaurant
on any given day.

I don't see a problem with that. Also, where are they finding these random people? In the middle of
farm country? Or Manhattan? I ate calzone or a hot dog pretty much every day for lunch. Does that
count? What exactly is random about the study. (I'm not asking you, I'm making my point)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What is fast food, anyway? Does my once a week pizza count? Or the occasional sub I order from
the local deli? Or is it just the usual chain burger places?

There are plenty of definitions out there. It's bascially any food prepared and/or served quickly.
AKA "Quick Service" in the industry. It's not limited to any type of food. It can even be
milkshake.

I ordered Chinese food tonight, they said I could pick it up in 10 minutes. So, Chinese food is fast
food, my string beans in garlic sauce and my egg roll. Probably more fat than a big mac, but I'll
get three meals out of it.

At any rate, if 'they' don't define fast food, this running around saying '1 out of 4 people eats
fast food every day' is meaningless. I still think it's worded very badly for so called scientists.

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Quoted message said:

60% of Americans are obese. Really, is that a fact? I would really love to hear where they came
up with that one. Do doctors report that? because I don't recall the census asking my height or
weight.

Like all studies, thay are taken from a random sampling of people. DOing surverys is a whole
industy in itself. How much do you weigh, anyway? For my files...

I would tell you, but I don't know. I'm not fat, but that is so not bragging in any way.

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"Obese", I beleive, is considered 25 or more lbs over the standard weight for your height.

I'm not sure that would be fair, it must be a percentage. 25 pounds on someone 7' tall is nothing,
on someone short like me, it's more fat.

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I would argue that if 60% of people are obese, how can the other 40% be a majority that deterines
the average weight in the first place? Maybe 40% of the people are underweight, insetad.

Yeah, blame it on the skinny people, there you go, I can get behind that premise.

nancy

Dan Abel said:

In article said:

... you know the rest.

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nancy (just really wondering how these numbers are formulated)

73.8% of all statisics are just made up.

:-)

(laughing!!!) That's funny.

nancy

PENMART01 said:

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Nancy Young askes how are obesity statistics compiled:

(laughing) Okay, I'm done now.

nancy (just really wondering how these numbers are formulated)

Most all major US employers track their emplyee's physical well being via means of periodical
medical exams,

Aside from being hired, I have never been forced to take a physical. I worked for some major
corporations. No one has weighed me in a couple of decades.

nancy

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:03:40 -0800, [email hidden] (Dan Abel)

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In article said:

... you know the rest.

Quoted message said:

nancy (just really wondering how these numbers are formulated)

73.8% of all statisics are just made up.

There was actually a study that said that 68% of all studies were seriosuly flawed.

-sw

(PENMART01) said:

But by far the primary gatherer of obesity statistics is the clothing industry... the tape measure
doesn't lie.

This is why I buy/wear a lot of shorts - to throw off the industy into thinking I'm much taller.

Bwhahahahah!

-sw

il Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:03:40 -0800, [email hidden] (Dan Abel) ha
scritto:

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73.8% of all statisics are just made up.

"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics"
--
Cheers, Loki [ Brevity is the soul of wit. W.Shakespeare ]

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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:18:38 -0500, Nancy Young <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

60% of Americans are obese. Really, is that a fact? I would really love to hear where they came
up with that one. Do doctors report that? because I don't recall the census asking my height or
weight.

Like all studies, thay are taken from a random sampling of people. DOing surverys is a whole
industy in itself. How much do you weigh, anyway? For my files...

"Obese", I beleive, is considered 25 or more lbs over the standard weight for your height.

I would argue that if 60% of people are obese, how can the other 40% be a majority that deterines
the average weight in the first place? Maybe 40% of the people are underweight, insetad.

Obese is currently defined as having a BMI (body mass index) of over
30. Normal BMI is between 20-24.9, and overweight is between 25-29.9.

BMI = your weight in kg/(your height in cm)squared

Julie.

Steve Wertz a écrit :

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"Obese", I beleive, is considered 25 or more lbs over the standard weight for your height.

There is now an official definition of obesity: an obese person has a BMI over 30. BMI under 19
means too thin, normal BMI between 19 and 25, "overweight" between 25 and 30.

Nathalie in Switzerland

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wrote: (snip)

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Fast Food, from M-W:

1 : of, relating to, or specializing in food that can be prepared and served quickly <a fast-food
restaurant> 2 : designed for ready availability, use, or consumption and with little
consideration given to quality or significance <fast-food TV programming>

'Fast food' is a newer name for old ideas. A hot dog from a cart is fast food. Pizza is fast food
and so is Chinese takeout. We didn't have a fancy monicker for them then.

Interesting. I think of fast food as already prepared just waiting for me to step to the counter and
make my selection so they can hand it to me. McDonald's and their ilk. KFC and the like. Not pizza
and not Chinese takeout.
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> updated 1/26/04 A good friend will come and bail you out of jail; a
true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn,that was fun!"

Frogleg said:

Nancy Young said:

... you know the rest.

The usual quote is "There are lies, damn[ed] lies, and statistics," variously attributed to Mark
Twain who attributed it to Disraeli, and Churchill, who may have also used the phrase.

Yeah, I knew the instant I sent it, wrong quote and misspelled at that. I figured people would know
what I meant.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I keep seeing all of these quotes, mostly here, about how many times people eat fast food, how
many Americans are obese, etc.

Looking up the quote, I came across reference to a book titled "Damned Lies and Statistics" by
Joel Best which looks pretty interesting.

tinyurl.com3cyjyOpen ↗

The questions you ask are worth asking. Where *do* these numbers come from? How are they
meaningful? Obviously the 'researchers' don't ask every single person (American?) how many times
he/she ate in a fast food joint. What was their sample population? Urban? Rural? Age? Avaliability
of alternatives? Many statistics are just re-pubished from dubious source. A lot of footnotes and
references does not a truth make.

I should buy that book, he's saying exactly what I was getting at.

nancy

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Nancy Young said:

... you know the rest.

The usual quote is "There are lies, damn[ed] lies, and statistics," variously attributed to Mark
Twain who attributed it to Disraeli, and Churchill, who may have also used the phrase.

Quoted message said:

I keep seeing all of these quotes, mostly here, about how many times people eat fast food, how
many Americans are obese, etc.

Looking up the quote, I came across reference to a book titled "Damned Lies and Statistics" by
Joel Best which looks pretty interesting.

tinyurl.com3cyjyOpen ↗

Another well known book is "How to Lie With Statistics" by Darell Huff and Irving Geis. This book is
often mentioned and occasionally required reading in introductory statistics courses.

<http://www.sciencesbookreview.com/How_to_Lie_With_Statistics_0393310728.html>

-bwg

Nancy Young said:

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It means out of 10,000 typical, random people, 2,500 of them will eat from a fast food restaurant
on any given day.

I don't see a problem with that. Also, where are they finding these random people? In the middle of
farm country? Or Manhattan? I ate calzone or a hot dog pretty much every day for lunch. Does that
count? What exactly is random about the study. (I'm not asking you, I'm making my point)

The restaurants report certain statistics to the National (and local) Restaurant Association. Like
number of people served in a year, etc... By comparing them with the regional populations, it's
determined quite easily.

Note that of those 10,000 in the theoretical sample, 2,000 of them probably eat fast food once every
6 months, while 2,000 eat it every day. The other 6,000 eat it somewhere bwtween daily and
quarterly.

Making the statement "1 in 4 Americans eat FF every" is just a way to simplify the statistic to make
it easier to visualize (Except in this case when busy-bodies like *you* start disecting them and
asking questions ;-)

-sw