Statins or their equivalent

(Maffy) said:

hello ZEE and LISTENER

since long time we follow your fight vs STATINS

do you know the equivalent and better one (without this side-
effects)?

Quoted message said:

than read or search the web , or ask for more than 250
clinical studies with Red Yeast Rice.

Hello David,

Red yeast extract contains mevinolin which is chemically
identical to the cholesterol-lowering compound lovastatin,
which is sold as the prescription drug Mevacor. As such it
can share similar side effects- mild gastrointestinal upset
and possible changes in liver enzymes, or a muscle condition
called rhabdomyolysis. Zee has already told Matt here that
she would not use red yeast extract.

It has been shown that side effects from statins is
significantly small is relation to the large number of
people using them. I know people taking RYE without problem.
It's an interesting alternative to statins, I suppose.

BTW, I do not consider what's going on here a "fight". Zee
and Sharon Hope have apparently been personally effected by
statin use and becuase of that are on a crusade against them
(although Sharon Hope seems more interested in education post-
side effect treatment, which is certainly important). I'm
*not* on a crusade of any kind. You can take them or not -
it's your choice.

L.

Quoted message said:

greetings

David

ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgiOpen ↗
&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9989685 supp-supp-Open ↗
lementwatch.com/supatoz/supplement.asp?supplementId=332

extension.iastate.eduredOpen ↗
_yeast_rice.php

althwell.com/healthnotes.cfm?ContentID=2155001#Traditional-
Use

[email hidden] (listener) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

On 24 Mar 2004 01:24:31 -0800, [email hidden] (Maffy) wrote:

Quoted message said:

hello Listener

Quoted message said:

Red yeast extract contains mevinolin which is chemically
identical to the cholesterol-lowering compound lovastatin,

it is`nt identically, never. Red Yeast Rice is (normally) a
fermentation product, the finnished fermented product , the
grain, is milled, ready to consume. it is`nt an
extract,never, its a rice flour,

the compounds are: Monacolin K, like Lovastatin , (nearly
20%) Mevinolinic acid, (nearly 65%) and 5 several
Monacolins more

the biggest different is, that Monacolin K/Lovastatin (open
lacton-ring) is oil-soluble and will work only in the
liver(after consuming on evening 0-0-1) and Mevinolinic acid
(closed acid-ring) is water-soluble and work in Stomach and
intestine but gentle over the day (2-0-2) and only to 20 %
in the Liver.

Quoted message said:

which is sold as the prescription drug Mevacor.

show above the wrong Pharmanex-Marketing-strategy was the
publishing and advertising, that Cholestin is similar to
Lovastatin.

Quoted message said:

As such it can share similar side effects-mild
gastrointestinal

upset and possible >changes in liver enzymes, or a muscle
condition called rhabdomyolysis.

it cannot have similar side-effect because its a different
product and work gentle

Quoted message said:

Zee has already told Matt here that she would not use
red yeast

extract.

thats right, because in USA the formerly CHOLESTIN only
is/was the fermented product (and never more on the Market),
all other Red Yeast Rice offers are fakes: normal red Rice
food-colour is mixed with Lovastatin from the chemical
Industry. (Heber et.al)

Quoted message said:

It has been shown that side effects from statins is
significantly small is relation to the large number of
people using them. but only on the right dosage ,

Quoted message said:

I know people taking RYE without problem.

right , if they used formerly CHOLESTIN In all the 250
clinical Studies and Descriptions ( I have on file) with
origin fermented Red Yeast Rice (include studies with its
equivalent as permitted prescription Drug in China) its
nothing notifyed significant side-effects.

Quoted message said:

It's an interesting alternative to statins, I suppose.

Quoted message said:

BTW, I do not consider what's going on here a "fight".

sorry, was a Joke.

best greetings

David

Appreciated your post...

Is red yeast rice available as a foodstuff at Chinese food
markets ? And is it available in chinese herbal shops ??

What is the chinese name for the product ??

Also : I wonder if it has pharmacological relationship with
Pu-Ehr tea which is a fermented reddish tea with highly
prized digestive system qualities. (Called the "reducing"
tea in China)

Thanks liaM

"liam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Appreciated your post...

Is red yeast rice available as a foodstuff at Chinese food
markets ? And is it available in chinese herbal shops ??

What is the chinese name for the product ??

Also : I wonder if it has pharmacological relationship
with Pu-Ehr tea which is a fermented reddish tea with
highly prized digestive system qualities. (Called the
"reducing" tea in China)

Thanks liaM

I read in a recent newsletter that that type of red yeast
rice is no longer available in the US. Anybody surprised
the FDA would go after them with a push from the makers
of statins?

Bill

You can still buy Red Yeast Rice at vitamin and health food
stores. The only difference between what is sold now and
what FDA acted against is that the label now can no longer
say that it can lower cholesterol.

--

hnm

"liam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Appreciated your post...

Is red yeast rice available as a foodstuff at Chinese food
markets ? And is it available in chinese herbal shops ??

What is the chinese name for the product ??

Also : I wonder if it has pharmacological relationship with
Pu-Ehr tea which is a fermented reddish tea with highly prized
digestive system qualities. (Called the "reducing" tea in
China)

Thanks
liaM

"Herb" <herbiem@ phony.com> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

You can still buy Red Yeast Rice at vitamin and health
food stores. The only difference between what is sold now
and what FDA acted against is that the label now can no
longer say that it can lower cholesterol.

--

hnm

"liam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c49sg6$2s4$1@news-
reader1.wanadoo.fr...

Quoted message said:

Appreciated your post...

Is red yeast rice available as a foodstuff at Chinese
food markets ? And is it available in chinese herbal
shops ??

What is the chinese name for the product ??

Also : I wonder if it has pharmacological relationship
with Pu-Ehr tea which is a fermented reddish tea with
highly prized digestive system qualities. (Called the
"reducing" tea in China)

Thanks liaM

According to April's Center for Science in the Public
Interest Newsletter, actually caused the active ingredient
- which was similar to Mevicor - to be changed to
something else.

Bill

"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Herb" <herbiem@ phony.com> wrote in message news:fx2ac.7-
[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

You can still buy Red Yeast Rice at vitamin and health
food stores. The only difference between what is sold
now and what FDA acted against is that the label now can
no longer say that it can lower cholesterol.

--

hnm

"liam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c49sg6$2s4$1@news-
reader1.wanadoo.fr...

Quoted message said:

Appreciated your post...

Is red yeast rice available as a foodstuff at Chinese
food markets ? And is it available in chinese herbal
shops ??

What is the chinese name for the product ??

Also : I wonder if it has pharmacological relationship
with Pu-Ehr tea which is a fermented reddish tea with
highly prized digestive system qualities. (Called the
"reducing" tea in China)

Thanks liaM

According to April's Center for Science in the Public
Interest Newsletter, actually caused the active ingredient
- which was similar to Mevicor - to be changed to
something else.

Bill

Should read:

According to April's Center for Science in the Public
Interest Newsletter, the FDA actually caused the active
ingredient - which was similar to Mevicor - to be changed
to something else.

i buy red rice yeast from walmart. it must be the real thing
because my cholesterol came down 65 points in 3 weeks taking
just one a day. janet

"Maffy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (listener) wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On 24 Mar 2004 01:24:31 -0800, [email hidden] (Maffy)
wrote:

Quoted message said:

hello Listener

Quoted message said:

Red yeast extract contains mevinolin which is chemically
identical to the cholesterol-lowering compound
lovastatin,

it is`nt identically, never. Red Yeast Rice is (normally)
a fermentation product, the finnished fermented product ,
the grain, is milled, ready to consume. it is`nt an
extract,never, its a rice flour,

the compounds are: Monacolin K, like Lovastatin , (nearly
20%) Mevinolinic acid, (nearly 65%) and 5 several
Monacolins more

the biggest different is, that Monacolin K/Lovastatin
(open lacton-ring) is oil-soluble and will work only in
the liver(after consuming on evening 0-0-1) and
Mevinolinic acid (closed acid-ring) is water-soluble and
work in Stomach and intestine but gentle over the day (2-0-
2) and only to 20 % in the Liver.

Quoted message said:

which is sold as the prescription drug Mevacor.

show above the wrong Pharmanex-Marketing-strategy was the
publishing and advertising, that Cholestin is similar to
Lovastatin.

Quoted message said:

As such it can share similar side effects-mild
gastrointestinal

upset and possible >changes in liver enzymes, or a muscle
condition called rhabdomyolysis.

it cannot have similar side-effect because its a different
product and work gentle

Quoted message said:

Zee has already told Matt here that she would not use
red yeast

extract.

thats right, because in USA the formerly CHOLESTIN only
is/was the fermented product (and never more on the
Market), all other Red Yeast Rice offers are fakes: normal
red Rice food-colour is mixed with Lovastatin from the
chemical Industry. (Heber et.al)

Quoted message said:

It has been shown that side effects from statins is
significantly small is relation to the large number of
people using them. but only on the right dosage ,

Quoted message said:

I know people taking RYE without problem.

right , if they used formerly CHOLESTIN In all the 250
clinical Studies and Descriptions ( I have on file) with
origin fermented Red Yeast Rice (include studies with its
equivalent as permitted prescription Drug in China) its
nothing notifyed significant side-effects.

Quoted message said:

It's an interesting alternative to statins, I suppose.

Quoted message said:

BTW, I do not consider what's going on here a "fight".

sorry, was a Joke.

best greetings

David

janet said:

i buy red rice yeast from walmart. it must be the real
thing because my cholesterol came down 65 points in 3
weeks taking just one a day. janet

Was it 65 points down from what starting point? Also, do
you know what effect red rice yeast had on the ratio of LDL
and HDL ??

liaM

yeah, it went down 65 points from the starting point which
was 261 (TC) dropped to 192. hdl, was 90, went down to 85,
my ldl was 154, dropped to
92. (actually the TC dropped 69 points) after 3 weeks on it
i did an at home test which showed my cholesterol to be
about 190. then a month later went to the docs and had
the labs and it showed the TC and the break down
confirming the 190. i have NO side effects from the RRY
and am taking only 1 a day, i think 2 or 3 are
suggested. costing me like 5.00 a month or less. janet

"liam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c4c10o$qtt$1@news-
reader4.wanadoo.fr...

Quoted message said:

janet said:

i buy red rice yeast from walmart. it must be the real
thing because my cholesterol came down 65 points in 3
weeks taking just one a day. janet

Was it 65 points down from what starting point? Also, do
you know what effect red rice yeast had on the ratio of
LDL and HDL ??

liaM

Hi Janet,

Well.. there's not a Walmart for 3000 miles from where I
live. How the hades can I get some of these wonder pills to
replace the pravastatin I'm now taking and don't do half the
job ? I know. I'll look the red rice yeast up on Froogle !!

Thanks

liaM

janet said:

yeah, it went down 65 points from the starting point which
was 261 (TC) dropped to 192. hdl, was 90, went down to 85,
my ldl was 154, dropped to
92. (actually the TC dropped 69 points) after 3 weeks on
it i did an at home test which showed my cholesterol
to be about 190. then a month later went to the docs
and had the labs and it showed the TC and the break
down confirming the 190. i have NO side effects from
the RRY and am taking only 1 a day, i think 2 or 3 are
suggested. costing me like 5.00 a month or less. janet

"liam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c4c10o$qtt$1@news-
reader4.wanadoo.fr...

Quoted message said:

janet said:

i buy red rice yeast from walmart. it must be the real
thing because my cholesterol came down 65 points in 3
weeks taking just one a day. janet

Was it 65 points down from what starting point? Also, do
you know what effect red rice yeast had on the ratio of
LDL and HDL ??

liaM

(Maffy) said:

it is`nt identically, never. Red Yeast Rice is (normally)
a fermentation product, the finnished fermented product ,
the grain, is milled, ready to consume. it is`nt an
extract,never, its a rice flour,

What is your opinion about Xuezhikang?

--
Winning against heart attack and stroke
sonoscore.comsonoscore.comOpen ↗