Concordia said:
First, some clarification: Cyclical ketogenic (which is what it
sounds like you're attempting to do) is a bit different from just
doing the occasional refeed.
However, I'm not sure I understand why you would be attempting
cyclical ketogenic when you're almost 50 lbs from goal. Are you doing
this in conjunction with a weight training program, perhaps?
Suggestions:
(1) Stay in ketosis to control your appetite. Forget about refeeds.
(2) Make sure you're getting enough protein.
(3) Increase exercise.
(4) Calories matter. Bodyweight (in pounds) x 10 would be a good
starting point to estimate daily caloric intake. Start there and take
it down a bit if necessary.
Quoted message said:Again, cyclical keto isn't what you want to be doing at this point.
Quoted message said:If you still care to read up on the subject, do an advanced google
*groups* search on misc.fitness weights for the terms "refeed", and
also "ketogenic". Putting "lyle" in as author will narrow the
searches further.
I do not understand one word. What qualified gibberish is that? What
ever in the world is cyclical ketogenic? (You do not actually need to
answer and explain).
What I am doing is trying to lose weight.
This thing about refeed is something I read about nearly a year ago, and
I understood it so that it might help me out of plateau if I overeat a
couple of times to get the system going again. I did that and could not
stop overeating for six months (that means a lot of lovely carbs in the
food), something like what happens to alcoholics when they fall for
temptation after a dry period. So much for refeed. Gained back half of
what I had lost but my metabolism obviously had decided to keep the new
heavier weight, because I could get weight loss going againonly by
cutting portions drastically.
I am not doing Atkins with any interest in serious scientific detail. I
can count my carbs and calories, I can read the scales and I know when I
grow too big for my clothes, or when I can go try one size smaller to
put on. And I know when I see a waistline appear in the mirror (some
day, I hope).
If I eat as much calories at present as the suggested formula above I
gain weight. I dislike doing mathematics. I weigh my food, look up the
calories and carbs from list the I have set up on the fridge door and
have thus come to the conclusion that maximum about 800-900 calories
keeps me losing. We'll see how it is next Sunday, today I had gone down
800g from last Sunday. (but now, in the evening I am actually one kilo
heavier.)
Why I wrote my piece in the first place is that my body obviously is
fighting against the weight loss very strongly and I am seriously
concerned if eating very little calories of which a greater part are
protein (chicken, pork, fish, only a little lettuce, cucumber or
broccoli to give it some colour) is harmful in some way inthe long run
or if my body will return to burning calories at more normal rate.
The question actually is, is there a way to get out of this starvation
mode, as I have seen it called so often, or shall I just go on and see
what happens and hope for continued weight loss.
I am not really interested in any conversation or hairsplitting theories
about what starvation mode is actually called, or is there anything
like starvation mode at all or whatever. I use that term out of
convenience, in lack of anything better.
As far as I know I am not in ketosis, at least I have not got the
"dragon breath" yet I developed earlier. Ketostix are not available in
Sweden. Would something they call lacmus (litmos) paper do?
The official Swedish medical opinion is that Atkins diet is dangerous
for your health and leads to all kinds of unexpected unpleasant
illnesses and death.
Nevertheless, light in darkness has been found. Some Atkins Nutritonal
low carb products have found their way to shops that mainly sell
alternative herbal medicine and such. Not to food markets, probably as
they are in some way a suspicious product conncted to a fatal diet :-)
Arto F.
