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On 2005-04-14, Fat [censored] <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I've got good balance for someone my size and I jog on soft ground - I
tried
it last night and I'm only a bit sore.

That's a non-sequiter. Good balance or not, using the weights isn't a good
strategy.

That would be 'non-sequitur'. Us bus drivers get to read the comics every
day :o)

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You're not getting it. When you start, you alternate 30 seconds run with
30
rest. Do that for half an hour. As your fitness improves, you can do 40
running to 20 walking, etc.

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So when will I find time to do wieghts then. Can I lose 36 lbs just by
running half and hour a day? How long will this >take if I don;t change
anything else? How about running in boots instead to add weight? Maybe if I
wet my tack suit >before I go out!

yes. Half and hour a day will lose wieght. 90 minutes is a lot of running.
wetting your tack suit is a start but you'll get more weight if you [censored]
it...actually that won't add weight come to think of it...you'll have to
have someoen else wet and [censored] your tack suit.

FB

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I

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like the idea of the velcro wieghts cause it should help burn more calories
faster. Anyone tired this, how much wieght did you use? Like is said i only
have about a hlaf hour a day so a wieght regime and jogging seems like too
much.

If you really want to add weights to your legs, go snowshoe running (we
still have snow at higher elevations and I know places farther south are
still getting snow). Each snowshoe weighs about 1 lb and you'll be
running on soft terrain. You *will* burn calories and get stronger while
snowshoe running.

In general, though, weights on legs are probably not a good idea (no
personal experience except with mud-caked shoes), esp. if you are
overweight already - messes up biomechanics.

I do run with a backpack of fluids, food, emergency gear on long runs -
close to 8-10 lb worth, I think - but that's because we don't have
drinking fountains or 7-11s along trails, not for weight training or to
lose weight.

The only time I've used hand weights (5lb range) is cross-training
walking drills where we used light ones for >100 reps for each of 6
drills, but the goals weren't the same as weight lifting or to lose
weight. They might help if you want to carry a water bottle.

I generally do my separate strength training while dinner's cooking,
otherwise I load a pack and power hike up a 10-30% slope hill. But,
again, I was just training for trail running, not to burn calories.

Dot

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"running is a mysterious journey that we take not just to beat other
people or to stay in reasonable physical shape - but to find out more
about ourselves" - Owen Anderson

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:33:28 -0400, "Jehosophat" <[email hidden]>

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> To the OP: The most important thing is what no one's said yet: eat
> less.
>
> Hugh
>
I don't eat much. I might get too many calories from beer but at least
it
has antioxidants. I try to eat a lot of salads and fish, but that is
really hard when I drive bus for a living.

FB

Dude. You're fat, you're out of shape, you're fixing to injure yourself,
and you're arguing with the people who are trying to help you.

If you're fat YOU ARE EATING TOO MUCH.

If you're overweight RUNNING WITH ANKLE WEIGHTS IS STUPID.

If you want to keep the muscles you do have WEIGHTLIFTING HEAVY IS GOOD.

go heavy or or go home.

My gym is at home. Help me, I'm confused!!

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Why? Like I said it should burn more calories which is the whole

point.And

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You can burn more calories by increasing the pace.

I can're increase the pace until I get shape which is why I need to increase
the effort.

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I'm jogging on a soccer pitch. I know for a fact a lot of athletes use
wieght when then excercise.

Never heard of a good distance runner do this. The athletes who do this
probably aren't very bright.

Well I have met a few on misc.free.wieghts who use wieghts and are not very
bright.

Me To.

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Har. May I suggest suicide? It's simpler.

Hugh

Thats insensitive.
Micheal Jackson

You're ignorant.
Mikail Jacksonov

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Ed Prochak wrote:

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> I don't really do weights, so I won't suggest what you need for
> those other than more reps is better than more weight per rep.
> (unless you want to do body building.)

What a load of [censored].

a pant load of [censored].

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--
Jerry

A *huge* pant load of [censored]. Why do these people offer advice about
something they know nothing about?

They're ignorant.
Mikail Jacksonov

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:33:28 -0400, "Jehosophat" <[email hidden]>

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"Fat [censored]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>> To the OP: The most important thing is what no one's said yet: eat
>> less.
>>
>> Hugh
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> I don't eat much. I might get too many calories from beer but at least
> it
> has antioxidants. I try to eat a lot of salads and fish, but that is
> really hard when I drive bus for a living.
>
> FB
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>

Dude. You're fat, you're out of shape, you're fixing to injure yourself,
and you're arguing with the people who are trying to help you.

If you're fat YOU ARE EATING TOO MUCH.

If you're overweight RUNNING WITH ANKLE WEIGHTS IS STUPID.

If you want to keep the muscles you do have WEIGHTLIFTING HEAVY IS GOOD.

go heavy or or go home.

My gym is at home. Help me, I'm confused!!

gym? i was talking about fat chicks.

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Dnia 2005-04-14 Fat [censored] napisa³(a):

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If you want to keep the muscles you do have WEIGHTLIFTING HEAVY IS GOOD.

Yes but I don't have the time yet.

Put some weight on your wife's barbell and perform:
1. Military press - 3 sets of 8-6-4 reps
2. Front squat - 3 sets of 8-6-4 reps
3. Power cleans - 3 sets of 8-6-4 reps

with the same weight. Do not rest more than a minute between sets and
exercises. If you can complete last rep of the last exercise with good
form, add more weight to your next workout.

Some coach trained kids like that for football long time ago, and I read
about it the other day, and liked it.

Very simple and it will be effective.

Want more? For the remainder of your 30 minutes time do alternating
sets of pushups, pullups and split squats (or pushup, barbell row and
hack squat, if you do not have a chinning bar).

Most important part of this routine is short rest interval between sets
and exercises. If your heart rate doesn't go occasionally to at least
150, you are not working hard enough! If it ever slows down below 130
you are resting too much!

Do it three times a week.

--
Weighted chins and dips are good medicine.

Andrzej Rosa wrote:

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Most important part of this routine is short rest interval
between sets and exercises. If your heart rate doesn't go
occasionally to at least 150, you are not working hard
enough! If it ever slows down below 130 you are resting
too much!

How can you say this without knowing their maximum heart rate?

tkb

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If you're fat YOU ARE EATING TOO MUCH.

I dont eat too much I'm just not get enough exercise. Theres a
difference.

Maybe. But your mentioning beer as a major contributor to your diet
makes me wonder ...

Maybe you're not eating too much, but you might be eating the wrong
things?

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If you're overweight RUNNING WITH ANKLE WEIGHTS IS STUPID.

Why? Like I said it should burn more calories which is the whole
point.And I'm jogging on a soccer pitch. I know for a fact a lot of
athletes use wieght when then excercise. What about soldiers who
march with full packs all day and night?

This is an excellent point. Here are two more: One, soldiers are not
typically overweight. Two, full packs are not worn on the ankles and
wrists. People who need to carry things over long distances use their
shoulders and backs because it's the most effective.

If you insist on adding weight to your running/walking, I would highly
recommend wearing a Camelbak. Not only can they get pretty heavy when
full, but if you're interested in having water available, it's easy to
get to. If a Camelbak is too much for your budget right now, a
backpack with something heavy in it would work, too. Waterbottles
would be a cheap and easy "something heavy."

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If you want to keep the muscles you do have WEIGHTLIFTING HEAVY IS
GOOD.

Yes but I don't have the time yet.

What about ditching two of your days of running/jogging for weight
training?

Me, my knees suck, so I'm not a big fan of a running regimen. Then
again, you're doing it on a soccer field, which is much better than
pavement.

--
monique

I think he spoke about my comments on weightlifting. I'll take it as a
minor scolding and leave the weight lifting comments to others.

I still don't understand your fascination with the ankle weights
though. If you cannot run a full half hour, then why make it harder to
do so by adding weights to your body in places there normally isn't
such weight?

Stick to a run/walk routine until you get to a half hour run. Note:
implied in that is you should ignore distance at this point. Build your
endurance first. If you don't increase your intake of food and drink,
but you increase your exercise, your fitness will improve.

ed

Look, read my whole comment. I let the OP know my experience (very
little).

If you are so much more experienced, why not add some information to
the thread instead of [censored]?

Ed

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the ankle/wrist weights do not significantly increase the calorie

burn.

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Consider if you add a total of 4pounds of weights, you increase you
total mass by only 2%. Running instead of walking will be more
important.

Yeah but this is "daed weight'. The wiehgt arn't muscles so its like

they

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wiegh more.

Huh? sorry, my understand of physics leads me to think this is a silly
idea.
Isn't the excess fat in your body enough "dead weight"? That's my point
that these weights add so little extra effort, and the wrong kind of
effort, that they are not worth it.

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And running those weights cause the balance of your legs and arms

to

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change. Will it directly injure you, may be not. But it may cause

you

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to have a poor running form which can lead to injuries long term.

I've got good balance for someone my size and I jog on soft ground -

I tried

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it last night and I'm only a bit sore.

It is not a balance issue. Look, a little more physics lesson. Your
legs are pendulums, and adding ankle weights changes the length of the
pendulum (moves the center of gravity down to be precise). that changes
the natural rhythm (frequency) and makes the leg musles have to work in
ways they are not accustomed to. I wouldn't use them.

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The goal for exercise to burn calories is to get the heart rate

higher

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than normal.

Exactly

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SO lose the jogging weights and just run/walk, increasing the run
portion over time.

I only have halkf and hour a day.

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just go out and enjoy the run.

Thanks:
FB

Walking or running for thirty minutes is fine, especially if you manage
to build up to more than three days per week. Whatever you are doing,
today is more than what you did before. keep at it. Consistancy is the
key.

Make it so you enjoy the run. Then you are more likely to continue it.

Enjoy,
ed

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I been reading about fitness and weight loss and want to start
exercising. I'm thinking about jogging and some light free weights to
burn fat and build muscles. I don't really have more than half and
hour a day so I was thing I might start jogging a few miles each
morning with those velcro weights on my ankles and wrists. Right now
I'm six feet, 42 years old and 236 lbs but not too flabby as I had a
big frame. I want to get undo 200 to get out of the red on the bmi
chart. I've got good shoes and a soccer field nearby. Any thoughts on
how to ease in to this routine? Oh yeah, I'm not a total potatoe as I
coach hockey and did a lot of skating over the winter.

FB

The Body for Life book and program is a good start. The program is for
beginners. You can add to it once you start doing more. I would high
recommend this book and program. I do the weight lifting program and
usually 45 minutes to an hour of running. The food guide is has good ideas
too.

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I been reading about fitness and weight loss and want to start
exercising. I'm thinking about jogging and some light free weights to
burn fat and build muscles. I don't really have more than half and
hour a day so I was thing I might start jogging a few miles each
morning with those velcro weights on my ankles and wrists. Right now
I'm six feet, 42 years old and 236 lbs but not too flabby as I had a
big frame. I want to get undo 200 to get out of the red on the bmi
chart. I've got good shoes and a soccer field nearby. Any thoughts on
how to ease in to this routine? Oh yeah, I'm not a total potatoe as I
coach hockey and did a lot of skating over the winter.

FB

The Body for Life book and program is a good start. The program is for
beginners. You can add to it once you start doing more. I would high
recommend this book and program. I do the weight lifting program and
usually 45 minutes to an hour of running. The food guide is has good ideas
too.

Ed Prochak said:

Look, read my whole comment. I let the OP know my experience (very
little).

If you are so much more experienced, why not add some information to
the thread instead of [censored]?

Ed

Hi Ed,

All I read was the following:

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I don't really do weights, so I won't suggest what you need for those
other than more reps is better than more weight per rep. (unless you
want to do body building.)

Sure, you admitted to not knowing *a lot* about resistance training, but
that you did know little. Namely, more reps is better than more weight per
rep. This is BS. If you don't know, then don't offer advice.

For strength training, the accepted norm is 3 - 8 reps. For hypertrophy
training (that would be lifting weights for size, i.e. bodybuilding), most
guys work in the 7 to 12 rep range.
--
-Larry

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I don't really do weights, so I won't suggest what you need for those
other than more reps is better than more weight per rep. (unless you
want to do body building.)

What a load of [censored].

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Jerry

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I don't really do weights, so I won't suggest what you need for those
other than more reps is better than more weight per rep. (unless you
want to do body building.)

What a load of [censored].

oh, leave Ed alone. he already took his lumps on this one.

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Jerry