starfangled nut replacement and hubs

Taka said:

Hello Everyone,

Today I went to my LBS to discuss options for my custom-build MTB.

<Headset>
I'm thinking of buying a Chris King headset.
Do you know if "Hope head doctors" work with the King headsets?
I don't like the starfangled nuts that come as standard, since they
often seem to loosen for me.
Do you know of any other good (or better) alternatives?
Do you know of any that come in pink?!?!

King headsets come with their own SFN. I'd use it to ensure the famous
warranty stays valid.

Quoted message said:

<Hubs>
Can anyone recommend any good disc-hubs?
I'm thinking of building my own wheels.
Reading Gerd Schraner's "The Art of Wheelbuilding", he says to avoid
expensive after-sales hubs. I've read other websites recommending use
of simpler cup-and-cone hubs.
What's this about? Are Chris King or Hope hubs no good?

Shimano hubs are unbeatable value for money. If only they'd use a
standard disc fixing, but there you go.

Zog The Undeniable said:

Taka said:

Hello Everyone,

Today I went to my LBS to discuss options for my custom-build MTB.

<Headset>
I'm thinking of buying a Chris King headset.
Do you know if "Hope head doctors" work with the King headsets?
I don't like the starfangled nuts that come as standard, since they
often seem to loosen for me.
Do you know of any other good (or better) alternatives?
Do you know of any that come in pink?!?!

King headsets come with their own SFN. I'd use it to ensure the famous
warranty stays valid.

There's also expanding bungs, though I'm not sure if they work with all
forks. If the OP is really against SFNs, perhaps these might suit?

Regards,

-david

Taka said:

<Headset>
I'm thinking of buying a Chris King headset.
Do you know if "Hope head doctors" work with the King headsets?

The Head Doctor (or any device that does the same job) doesn't know what
make or model the headset is, so will work with any a-headset. Internal
diameter of steerer, and compatibility of top cap with stem/spacer, are
the only things to worry about (that I can think of now).

Quoted message said:

I don't like the starfangled nuts that come as standard, since they
often seem to loosen for me.
Do you know of any other good (or better) alternatives?

I like the Woodman one. There are many others as well--browse Wiggle. If
you're in to extreme weight saving, you might want to replace the steel
bolt with an alloy one.

Quoted message said:

Do you know of any that come in pink?!?!

Errrr, nope :-) You'll eventually find a pink cap later that'll be
compatible, with a bit of luck.

Quoted message said:

<Hubs>
Can anyone recommend any good disc-hubs?

Pass.

Quoted message said:

I'm thinking of building my own wheels.
Reading Gerd Schraner's "The Art of Wheelbuilding", he says to avoid
expensive after-sales hubs. I've read other websites recommending use
of simpler cup-and-cone hubs.
What's this about? Are Chris King or Hope hubs no good?

Hubs from major brands such as Shimano and Campagnolo use forged shells
for best strength. Some fancy hubs from other makes don't. Cartridge
bearings (as opposed to cup & cone) are not necessarily bad. But some
crazy-light hubs use cartridge bearings that are so small that
reliablity/durability is compromised too much for average use.

Chris King and Hope are well respected brands, of course, but you don't
have to spend that much to get fine long-lasting performance and
reliability.

Also check out Jobst Brandt's "The Bicycle Wheel", and also find his
comments on Schraner via Google Groups.

~PB

Zog The Undeniable said:

King headsets come with their own SFN. I'd use it to ensure the
famous warranty stays valid.

SFNs shouldn't be used with carbon steerers so surely CK allow
alternatives? In any case it's sad not to do whatever one prefers purely
for the sake of a warranty.

ps. Whio would know that a SFN wasn't used?

~PB

Pete Biggs said:

Taka said:

<Headset>
I'm thinking of buying a Chris King headset.
Do you know if "Hope head doctors" work with the King headsets?

The Head Doctor (or any device that does the same job) doesn't know what
make or model the headset is, so will work with any a-headset. Internal
diameter of steerer, and compatibility of top cap with stem/spacer, are
the only things to worry about (that I can think of now).

Quoted message said:

I don't like the starfangled nuts that come as standard, since they
often seem to loosen for me.
Do you know of any other good (or better) alternatives?

I like the Woodman one. There are many others as well--browse Wiggle. If
you're in to extreme weight saving, you might want to replace the steel
bolt with an alloy one.

Woodman? I haven't heard of that but I will look it up. Thanks!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Do you know of any that come in pink?!?!

Errrr, nope :-) You'll eventually find a pink cap later that'll be
compatible, with a bit of luck.

Chris King did some pink, limited edition ones. They go well with
metal-coloured frames, I think. They're a bit unusual!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<Hubs>
Can anyone recommend any good disc-hubs?

Pass.

Quoted message said:

I'm thinking of building my own wheels.
Reading Gerd Schraner's "The Art of Wheelbuilding", he says to avoid
expensive after-sales hubs. I've read other websites recommending use
of simpler cup-and-cone hubs.
What's this about? Are Chris King or Hope hubs no good?

Hubs from major brands such as Shimano and Campagnolo use forged shells
for best strength. Some fancy hubs from other makes don't. Cartridge
bearings (as opposed to cup & cone) are not necessarily bad. But some
crazy-light hubs use cartridge bearings that are so small that
reliablity/durability is compromised too much for average use.

I didn't know about the forging.
Maybe I will try to look for some Shimano ones, unless Campagnolo also
do disc-compatible hubs, which I doubt. I will investigate. Thanks!

Quoted message said:

Chris King and Hope are well respected brands, of course, but you don't
have to spend that much to get fine long-lasting performance and
reliability.

Also check out Jobst Brandt's "The Bicycle Wheel", and also find his
comments on Schraner via Google Groups.

I'll try searching.
Thanks!

Quoted message said:

~PB

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Quoted message said:

Hello Everyone,

Today I went to my LBS to discuss options for my custom-build MTB.

<Headset>
I'm thinking of buying a Chris King headset.
Do you know if "Hope head doctors" work with the King headsets?
I don't like the starfangled nuts that come as standard, since they
often seem to loosen for me.

Doesn't matter. Once the stem clamp is done up the star-fangled nut isn't
actually doing anything - it's only there to pre-tension the headset
until the stem clamp is done up.

Quoted message said:

Do you know of any other good (or better) alternatives?
Do you know of any that come in pink?!?!

<Hubs>
Can anyone recommend any good disc-hubs?

Hope.

Quoted message said:

I'm thinking of building my own wheels.
Reading Gerd Schraner's "The Art of Wheelbuilding", he says to avoid
expensive after-sales hubs. I've read other websites recommending use
of simpler cup-and-cone hubs.

Cup and cone hubs have the benefit of being easy to service, but I'd
still say Hope.

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