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  1. This may be a dumb post but...

    I was low on energy today and tried standing up for the first time in order to try and clear a
    fairly steep medium length climb and it seemed like a total waste.

    Seems stepping down hard on the pedals while standing did nothing but create massive 'bob' or
    bounce. Or it spun up the rear tire.

    Was really amazing 'feeling' how much energy was lost in the bounce when standing. I don't notice
    this at all when in the normal sitting leaned slightly forward stance. Heck, when sitting I feel
    like I have traction control or something. I just pedal smoothly and hard, and I ride right up the
    hill; over bumps and all.

    As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs?

  2. Quoted message said:

    As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs?

    It's hard to judge - sometimes on the sandy stuff it is the only way to get the momentum back up.

    Eventually you can feel the terrain and pedal slowly to avoid the spin and bob. Of course I ride the
    Epic or a RockHopper, so effectively always have a hard tail in these situ's ;-)

  3. Destroy said:

    This may be a dumb post but...

    I was low on energy today and tried standing up for the first time in order to try and clear a
    fairly steep medium length climb and it seemed like a total waste.

    Seems stepping down hard on the pedals while standing did nothing but create massive 'bob' or
    bounce. Or it spun up the rear tire.

    Was really amazing 'feeling' how much energy was lost in the bounce when standing. I don't notice
    this at all when in the normal sitting leaned slightly forward stance. Heck, when sitting I feel
    like I have traction control or something. I just pedal smoothly and hard, and I ride right up the
    hill; over bumps and all.

    As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs?

    Depends on your technique, I believe. As a roadie from way back, I've learned an efficient circular
    pedaling motion, and can do a pretty good job of standing and pedaling without bouncing the sx too
    much. I won't assert that my standing is more efficient or powerful than sitting, since I could be
    scrubbing off power before it gets to the pedals, just trying to move smoothly.

    And yes, on the typical dirt trail the rear wheel spins easily. But you can sit your butt back to
    dig it in. I find that that's not all that useful for me - it's hard.

    The slopes on the Slickrock Trail are steep enough that standing is a virtual necessity, and also
    any bouncing you do is very costly since you need all your power to get up the hill.

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  4. "Destroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This may be a dumb post but...

    I was low on energy today and tried standing up for the first time in order to try and clear a
    fairly steep medium length climb and it seemed like a total waste.

    Seems stepping down hard on the pedals while standing did nothing but create massive 'bob' or
    bounce. Or it spun up the rear tire.

    Was really amazing 'feeling' how much energy was lost in the bounce when standing. I don't notice
    this at all when in the normal sitting leaned slightly forward stance. Heck, when sitting I feel
    like I have traction control or something. I just pedal smoothly and hard, and I ride right up the
    hill; over bumps and all.

    As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs?

    I think it depends on how the full sus bike is built (how it handles). When you climb standing, you
    usually try to use your body weight to help your pedalling force. As a result, you create more
    vertical momentum, and therefore the suspension kicks in. I think more bob will occur on bikes that
    have their suspension designed to react more to vertical movements(?), for lack of a better
    description. When you climb seated (assuming you don't bob your head or pull on your arms too
    much), most of the pedalling force will be in a circular motion round the BB so there's less
    vertical momentum.

    Traction is all about where your weight is on the bike when you're climbing. When seated, more
    weight is on the rear tyre (usually), so the rear wheel seldom spins out. When you climb standing,
    you move your weight forward and also increase your pedalling force(supposedly), so your rear wheel
    would be more likely to spin. You could move your weight more to the rear while climbing standing
    but your position might be more uncomfortable and result in poorer energy efficiency (i.e. get tired
    from climbing standing faster). Hope you get a better idea now.

    bloocow - thesis of a rigid rider

  5. Destroy said:

    As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs?

    The smoother you can spin, the less pedal induced bobbing you'll get. There will always be some (no
    matter how many links the whizbang suspension design uses), but if you're not just lurching from
    front pedal to front pedal it won't be too bad. Smooth circles also help you prevent the rear wheel
    from breaking loose. I've been able to get up steep sandy pitches my more technically adept MTB
    buddies can't, simply because years of spinning smooth circles on the road allow me to maintain
    traction (on a hard tail, BTW).

    As far as it not "feeling right", just remember - the more you do it, the better it will feel.
    Theoretically you'll use a little more energy overall, but it also gives you a chance to recruit
    some fresh muscles and to stretch the ones that have been doing the most work. If you get to the
    point where you can stand for several minutes at a time you'll find you're a much better climber
    with more endurance.

    Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame

  6. Destroy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs?

    Only if you are riding a poorly designed bike and/or have poor technique. The more you ride your
    bike, the more you learn on your own instead of desperately trying to glean "experience" from others
    who may not have much.

    JD

  7. You heart rate goes 10% faster (according to my doc) when standing during a clime, but sometimes
    you have to.

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    "Destroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This may be a dumb post but...

    I was low on energy today and tried standing up for the first time in order to try and clear a
    fairly steep medium length climb and it seemed like a total waste.

    Seems stepping down hard on the pedals while standing did nothing but create massive 'bob' or
    bounce. Or it spun up the rear tire.

    Was really amazing 'feeling' how much energy was lost in the bounce when standing. I don't notice
    this at all when in the normal sitting leaned slightly forward stance. Heck, when sitting I feel
    like I have traction control or something. I just pedal smoothly and hard, and I ride right up the
    hill; over bumps and all.

    As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs?

  8. "Destroy" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs?

    Whatever gets you up the hill.

    Pete

  9. Quoted message said:

    I was low on energy today and tried standing up for the first time in order to try and clear a
    fairly steep medium length climb and it seemed like a total waste.

    Seems stepping down hard on the pedals while standing did nothing but create massive 'bob' or
    bounce. Or it spun up the rear tire.

    Was really amazing 'feeling' how much energy was lost in the bounce when standing. I don't notice
    this at all when in the normal sitting leaned slightly forward stance. Heck, when sitting I feel
    like I have traction control or something. I just pedal smoothly and hard, and I ride right up the
    hill; over bumps and all.

    As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs?

    General answer would be, yes it's bad. Lock suspension and then it's start to make sense. But, with
    some experience one can pedal smooth out of seat and distribute weight so the he does not lose grip.

    But, but, correct me if I'm wrong, this is not an energy saver.

    So I would say, lock if you ride out of saddle or switch to lower gear if you are tired.

    D'

  10. I most never stand or walk. When I see someone walking up a hill I call out thats why you have
    pedals now get on and pedal. During racing when I want and need to pass I do stand and along with
    the way I have my bike set up total package I won 1st place in a race every racer were half my age
    and more. I turn 50 in just 4 months.

    Fire up MTB 03

  11. Quoted message said:

    I most never stand or walk. When I see someone walking up a hill I call out thats
    why you have pedals now get on and pedal. During racing when I want and need to
    pass I do stand and along with the way I have my bike set up total package I won
    1st place in a race every racer were half my age and more. I turn 50 in just 4
    months.

    What a pity that at your age, you haven't learned to form a coherent sentence.

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  12. Destroy said:

    This may be a dumb post but...

    I was low on energy today and tried standing up for the first time in order to try and clear a
    fairly steep medium length climb and it seemed like a total waste.

    Seems stepping down hard on the pedals while standing did nothing but create massive 'bob' or
    bounce. Or it spun up the rear tire.

    Rigid singlespeed baby!

    G

  13. Destroy said:

    This may be a dumb post but...

    ..seen worse.

    [snip bad technique]

    Quoted message said:

    As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs?

    Why would you be riding a full susp bike when you can ride a rigid?

    Peace,

    Bill

    The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
    an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]

  14. Bill Wheeler said:
    Destroy said:

    This may be a dumb post but...

    ..seen worse.

    [snip bad technique]

    Quoted message said:

    As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs?

    Why would you be riding a full susp bike when you can ride a rigid?

    Why? Because I can. Lots of other, more specific reasons, but in the end, it boils down to that. God
    bless free choice.

    When climbing, for the most part, if I'm out of the saddle, it's about balance, not power. I
    haven't got an ounce of extra power to spare, and standing and honkin' on the pedals wastes a
    noticable amount of energy. The individual situation determines if it's worth it or not, but
    usually, for me, it's not.

    Kathleen

  15. Kathleen said:

    Bill Wheeler wrote:


    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why would you be riding a full susp bike when you can ride a rigid?

    Why? Because I can. Lots of other, more specific reasons, but in the end, it boils down to that.
    God bless free choice.

    Someone pinch me. Finally someone who makes sense....although on the flip side.

    Freedom of choice is what you got, freedom from choice is what you want.

    Quoted message said:


    When climbing, for the most part, if I'm out of the saddle, it's about balance, not power.

    Once again this makes sense.

    Quoted message said:

    I haven't got an ounce of extra power to spare, and standing and honkin' on the pedals wastes a
    noticable amount of energy.

    There are times to stand and times to sit when climbing.

    Quoted message said:

    The individual situation determines if it's worth it or not, but usually, for me, it's not.

    Freedom of choice.

    Quoted message said:


    Kathleen

    I thought for sure you'd somehow throw something about "Fly Ball" in here.....perhaps I missed it.

    Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
    should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]

  16. Bill Wheeler wrote: <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Freedom of choice is what you got, freedom from choice is what you want.<snip>

    What the heck are you talking about?

    Don't drop acid and post, Bill. Even though we can't see your pupils, we can still tell.

    Ai yi yi, indeed....

    Kathleen

  17. Kathleen said:

    Bill Wheeler wrote: <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Freedom of choice is what you got, freedom from choice is what you want.<snip>

    What the heck are you talking about?

    Don't drop acid and post, Bill. Even though we can't see your pupils, we can still tell.

    Ai yi yi, indeed....

    Kathleen

    I thought that any time you made any decision, you made a choice. If you choose to go riding, you're
    not reading a book, watching TV, etc. If you choose to sleep in, there's stuff you could be doing
    (like riding), and you're not. You never really have freedom from choice, so I think the best we can
    do is choose wisely. For me, that's riding my multi-speeded mountain bike and longing for a fully
    suspended bike. For others, it's getting that single speed. Sadly, I bought a new racing bike and
    won't be able to afford a full suspension bike 'till next year. OK, so my priorities are screwed up!

    --
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  18. Bob M <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Kathleen said:

    Bill Wheeler wrote: <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Freedom of choice is what you got, freedom from choice is what you want.<snip>

    What the heck are you talking about?

    Don't drop acid and post, Bill. Even though we can't see your pupils, we can still tell.

    Ai yi yi, indeed....

    Kathleen

    I thought that any time you made any decision, you made a choice. If you choose to go riding,
    you're not reading a book, watching TV, etc. If you choose to sleep in, there's stuff you could be
    doing (like riding), and you're not. You never really have freedom from choice, so I think the
    best we can do is choose wisely. For me, that's riding my multi-speeded mountain bike and longing
    for a fully suspended bike. For others, it's getting that single speed. Sadly, I bought a new
    racing bike and won't be able to afford a full suspension bike 'till next year. OK, so my
    priorities are screwed up!

    What's a "racing bike" and why did buying it make you sad?

    Paladin

  19. Bill Wheeler said:
    Kathleen said:

    Bill Wheeler wrote:


    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why would you be riding a full susp bike when you can ride a rigid?

    Why? Because I can. Lots of other, more specific reasons, but in the end, it boils down to that.
    God bless free choice.

    Someone pinch me. Finally someone who makes sense....although on the flip side.

    Freedom of choice is what you got, freedom from choice is what you want.

    Mmmmm, Devo.

  20. Kathleen said:

    Bill Wheeler wrote: <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Freedom of choice is what you got, freedom from choice is what you want.<snip>

    What the heck are you talking about?

    Don't drop acid and post, Bill. Even though we can't see your pupils, we can still tell.

    ;-) No sid here...

    Quoted message said:


    Ai yi yi, indeed....

    Kathleen

    I can't believe nobody understands my ^^^^^^^I Yi Yi^^^^^^^ post.

    The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
    an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]

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