SRAM vs Shimano triggers?

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:46:39 -0700, "M. Chandler" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Aside from the different actuation methods (push-push vs push-trigger),
is there any good reason to choose the SRAM over the Shimano (or
vice-versa) trigger shifters? In this case, it would be a Shimano LX or
XT rear derailleur paired with SRAM Rocket triggers or Shimano LX
triggers (pods).

going with sram for both the rear Derailleur and the shifters is a very good
upgrade from all I have read on
http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/
here is a killer deal http://blueskycycling.com/view_product.php?pid=630 I just
ordered this set for what I though was a great price of 120.00
sram derailers pull twice as much cable so the shifts take less effort and are
smooth and accurate.

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Steve Knight said:

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:46:39 -0700, "M. Chandler" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Aside from the different actuation methods (push-push vs push-trigger),
is there any good reason to choose the SRAM over the Shimano (or
vice-versa) trigger shifters? In this case, it would be a Shimano LX or
XT rear derailleur paired with SRAM Rocket triggers or Shimano LX
triggers (pods).

going with sram for both the rear Derailleur and the shifters is a very good
upgrade from all I have read on
http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/
here is a killer deal http://blueskycycling.com/view_product.php?pid=630 I just
ordered this set for what I though was a great price of 120.00
sram derailers pull twice as much cable so the shifts take less effort and are
smooth and accurate.

I'm actually moving away from SRAM rear derailleurs. I find the rear
wheel harder to remove on my SRAM-equipped bikes, so I'm switching to
Shimano rear mechs.

That's definitely a great price, however.

--
Mark Chandler
Superior, CO
http://www.MileHighSkates.com

I find the SRAM front trigger does a better job of shifting Shimano's
front ders than Shimano triggers. I think SRAMs pull a bit more cable.
--Jim

mhsremote-<< Aside from the different actuation methods (push-push vs
push-trigger),
is there any good reason to choose the SRAM over the Shimano (or
vice-versa) trigger shifters? >><BR><BR>

I say, Sram seem more beefy, the rear der is way better(If you get that
series), the left/front seems to shift the shimano fder better with a wee bit
more travel.

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Quoted message said:

I'm actually moving away from SRAM rear derailleurs. I find the rear
wheel harder to remove on my SRAM-equipped bikes, so I'm switching to
Shimano rear mechs.

That's definitely a great price, however.

that I would not know about. I will be using this on my recumbent and it could
not get any harder to put the rear wheel back on (G)

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Steve Knight said:

Quoted message said:

I'm actually moving away from SRAM rear derailleurs. I find the rear
wheel harder to remove on my SRAM-equipped bikes, so I'm switching to
Shimano rear mechs.

That's definitely a great price, however.

that I would not know about. I will be using this on my recumbent and it could
not get any harder to put the rear wheel back on (G)

Same here. I don't know what it is about RANS' dropouts (and I use that
term loosely). Although it adds a little more time to a wheel change,
temporarily removing the skewer seems to make things a bit easier.

And I thought my old Klein's dropouts were bad...

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M. Chandler said:

And I thought my old Klein's dropouts were bad...

You mean there's a dropout design that's worse? Hard to imagine...

Actually, the MTB gives me no trouble, but the road bike is a real PITA.

Matt O.

M. Chandler said:

Steve Knight said:

Quoted message said:

I'm actually moving away from SRAM rear derailleurs. I find the rear
wheel harder to remove on my SRAM-equipped bikes, so I'm switching to
Shimano rear mechs.

That's definitely a great price, however.

that I would not know about. I will be using this on my recumbent and
it could
not get any harder to put the rear wheel back on (G)

Same here. I don't know what it is about RANS' dropouts (and I use that
term loosely). Although it adds a little more time to a wheel change,
temporarily removing the skewer seems to make things a bit easier....

The QR skewer nut always wants to get caught in the chain and/or
derailleur when removing and replacing the rear wheel on my 2000 RANS
Rocket.

--
Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

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Quoted message said:

Aside from the different actuation methods (push-push vs push-trigger),
is there any good reason to choose the SRAM over the Shimano (or
vice-versa) trigger shifters? In this case, it would be a Shimano LX or
XT rear derailleur paired with SRAM Rocket triggers or Shimano LX
triggers (pods).

If the SRAM are like the old shimano rapid fire shifters, push push, I really
don't like them. The push-trigger RF+ is superior.
--------------
Alex

They're not really a push-push like the older Shimano stuff. You use
your thumb push a lever to go up the cog, and a thumb flick upward on a
paddle to go back down the cog one gear at a time. It was very easy to
learn this and un-learn the index finger trigger, took me one ride. The
benefit is you can leave a finger on the brake lever if need be for
funky terrain. If you really want to, your index finger can just reach
under to hit the up-[censored] paddle, but using your thumb for both becomes
very intuitive.
--Jim

Quoted message said:

Same here. I don't know what it is about RANS' dropouts (and I use that
term loosely). Although it adds a little more time to a wheel change,
temporarily removing the skewer seems to make things a bit easier.

I found removing the chain really made it easier. thank god for quick links (G)

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Quoted message said:

If the SRAM are like the old shimano rapid fire shifters, push push, I really
don't like them. The push-trigger RF+ is superior.
--------------

I will let you know. but people seem to really love the sram setup over shimano.

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On 13 Dec 2004 19:46:23 -0800, "Meccanico di Bici" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

They're not really a push-push like the older Shimano stuff. You use
your thumb push a lever to go up the cog, and a thumb flick upward on a
paddle to go back down the cog one gear at a time. It was very easy to

I just got my x9 triggers installed today. that and the x9 Derailleur the bike
shifts like a dream nice and quiet and easy to shift. you can downshift several
cogs in one stroke, not all the way but better then a single cog.

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Steve Knight said:

On 13 Dec 2004 19:46:23 -0800, "Meccanico di Bici" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

They're not really a push-push like the older Shimano stuff. You use
your thumb push a lever to go up the cog, and a thumb flick upward on a
paddle to go back down the cog one gear at a time. It was very easy to

I just got my x9 triggers installed today. that and the x9 Derailleur the bike
shifts like a dream nice and quiet and easy to shift. you can downshift several
cogs in one stroke, not all the way but better then a single cog.

I ended up ordering the same combo (from the same place). It was the
most cost effective way of getting new triggers and a new rear mech.
I'll be curious to see how well they operate in temps around freezing.

--
Mark Chandler
Superior, CO
http://www.MileHighSkates.com

Quoted message said:

I ended up ordering the same combo (from the same place). It was the
most cost effective way of getting new triggers and a new rear mech.
I'll be curious to see how well they operate in temps around freezing.

hopefully in Portland I won't find this year (G) I think the shifting is nicer
then my bar end shimano shifters and dura ace rd on my road bike.

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M. Chandler said:

Steve Knight wrote:

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On 13 Dec 2004 19:46:23 -0800, "Meccanico di Bici"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

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Quoted message said:

They're not really a push-push like the older Shimano stuff. You use
your thumb push a lever to go up the cog, and a thumb flick upward
on a paddle to go back down the cog one gear at a time. It was very
easy to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I just got my x9 triggers installed today. that and the x9
Derailleur the bike shifts like a dream nice and quiet and easy to
shift. you can downshift several cogs in one stroke, not all the way
but better then a single cog.

Quoted message said:

I ended up ordering the same combo (from the same place). It was the
most cost effective way of getting new triggers and a new rear mech.
I'll be curious to see how well they operate in temps around freezing.

That's all good to know. I'm thinking about upgrading my MTB to 9 speed, to get
a wider range w/ one higher gear for road riding.

A few points though. I think the push-pull configuration of RF+ was a huge
ergonomic improvement over the original RF. I haven't tried the new SRAM
shifter, but to me, push-push is a step back. Second, the original 7sp RF+
allowed you to shift all the way across the cassette, if your thumb could move
that far. With 8sp the RF+ shifters were limited to 3-4 cogs at a time. Not a
big deal, but it matters sometimes. The 8sp also seemed a lot less accurate and
reliable. IMO, 7sp RF+ was/is the best MTB shifting system -- it's been
downhill from there.

SRAM's longer cable pull probably addresses most problems well. The GS ESP
systems I've used were great -- more reliable than recent Shimano offerings.
But ergonomically they're a smidgen worse, they're really noisy, and the designs
are too bloated, plasticky, and cheap looking. Hopefully the new SRAM trigger
shifters are nicer. I've yet to see any in person.

I wish SRAM would make a new road shifter. My preference would be to use the
brake lever like Sora, but with a thumb lever like Ergo's. The cynic in me says
Sora may have been desiged this way to preclude others from using this design
option.

Matt O.

Matt O'Toole said:

A few points though. I think the push-pull configuration of RF+ was a huge
ergonomic improvement over the original RF. I haven't tried the new SRAM
shifter, but to me, push-push is a step back. Second, the original 7sp RF+

On my three bikes I've got Gripshift XRays, LX RF+, and SRAM X9.
I think the X9 are the most ergonomic, slightly edging out RF+.
Took me one ride to get used to push-push. I too thought,
"How can anything be better than RF+?" But I think they X9s are,
by a very slim margin. I hate Gripshifters, but I've been using them
for 10 years on one bike and they haven't bothered me enough to
change them out.

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are too bloated, plasticky, and cheap looking. Hopefully the new SRAM trigger
shifters are nicer. I've yet to see any in person.

Well, they're not completely cheap looking, but the X9 don't look all
that non-cheap. Push-push is easier to operate when wearing mittens.

Justen

Quoted message said:

A few points though. I think the push-pull configuration of RF+ was a huge
ergonomic improvement over the original RF. I haven't tried the new SRAM
shifter, but to me, push-push is a step back.

why it is dirt easy. a bit different but very handy and you never have to move
your hand to use them. the only thing I would like is to shift more then one
gear up. you can shift 3 or 4 down in one stroke.

Quoted message said:

SRAM's longer cable pull probably addresses most problems well. The GS ESP
systems I've used were great -- more reliable than recent Shimano offerings.
But ergonomically they're a smidgen worse, they're really noisy, and the designs
are too bloated, plasticky, and cheap looking.

the x9 are not that way. they are very quiet I can hardly hear the click I was
pretty surprised. they are metal and look nice.

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I wish SRAM would make a new road shifter.

that would be cool.

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"Meccanico di Bici" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

They're not really a push-push like the older Shimano stuff. You use
your thumb push a lever to go up the cog, and a thumb flick upward on a
paddle to go back down the cog one gear at a time. It was very easy to
learn this and un-learn the index finger trigger, took me one ride. The
benefit is you can leave a finger on the brake lever if need be for
funky terrain. If you really want to, your index finger can just reach
under to hit the up-[censored] paddle, but using your thumb for both becomes
very intuitive.
--Jim

I have both systems and prefer Shimano's RF+ using the index finger. The
SRAM shifter is good and is something I most certainly can get used to,
but they only did it to get around Shimano's patent. Also, I have never
found a need to brake and up-shift at the same time. Further (and maybe
this is more an 8 speed vs. 9 speed issue) but my RF+ 8 speed shifts
better on the rear than the SRAM 9 speed does.

--
Mike DeMicco <[email hidden]>