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  1. RonSonic said:

    On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:33:01 -0800, "Dan" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Andrew Lee" <whatsupandrewathotmaildotcom> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=160488

    It looks a lot like what Mark Hickey described happened to his
    friend on Mark's bike in last month's thread (except the bike is
    not a Habanero).

    I wonder what that fork is aluminum or carbon?

    In the earlier thread some opined that a soft squirrel was not
    capable of causing this type of accident. I still think that there
    is enough substance to a squirrel to stop the front wheel. These
    photos look authentic enough and I would love to learn the details.

    For me, the really cool thing in these pictures is the broken fork.
    Since the tire will skid when the friction coefficient is exceeded,
    there must be a vertical force in excess of the combined rider and
    bike weight. I can't tell if it is carbon or not. If it is carbon,
    carbon forks often take 800 lbs or so to break when loaded at the
    dropout. If the force is applied to the tire contact patch, the
    moment arm is roughly doubled and it requires a force on the order
    of 400 lbs to break the fork (some forks may be stronger or weaker).
    John Forester proposes how this might happen here:
    http://www.johnforester.com/Articles/BicycleEng/forkbend.htm
    I have looked at this type of failure before and tried to figure out
    the dynamics. I think it can occur but is very rare. I am not sure
    but a ductile (e.g steel) fork may perform better in this scenario
    than a more brittle (e.g carbon fiber) fork.

    Check me here
    Centrifugal force flings squirrel to the rim and as he goes limp,
    beyond the rim on either side. Carcass wedges between the tire and
    side of the rim and the crown of the fork. That would cause a jam far
    more severe than something as soft as a dead or dying squirrel being
    caught between spoke and fork blade.

    I recently had my finger jammed in between the tire and crown of my
    commuter. That stopped me instantly and shaved off a good bit of skin, too.

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

  2. Werehatrack said:

    And on further consideration, I begin to wonder if this isn't yet
    another (admittedly tenuous) reason to avoid the low-count
    paired-spoke wheels, since the space between each of the 36 spokes on
    a more conventional wheel should presumably act to prevent the
    squirrel from having such an easy time getting itself into this
    predicament...

    FWIW, my buddy who experienced the same fate was running Campy Shamal
    wheels (don't recall if they were the 12 or 16 spoke version though).
    Seems to be a common thread.

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $795 ti frame

  3. <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ran into a squirrel yesterday. was holding a nut he was and headed
    toward the trees when i hove too and lo! if the criiter didn't stop
    turn around and run straight under the front
    and expletiuve deleted stop there: amazing

    Nah, the problem is that there were too many spokes. Had there been fewer,
    the squirrel might have passed through unscathed. 🙂

  4. Andrew Lee said:

    http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=160488

    It looks a lot like what Mark Hickey described happened to his friend on
    Mark's bike in last month's thread (except the bike is not a Habanero).

    I wonder what that fork is aluminum or carbon?


    I thought this thread was a joke. I just got to look at the pictures. I
    wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see pictures.

    Ken
    --
    On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk - unless you act like a jerk
    on the internet too. - Quote modified by Ken M.

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