Spoke length, in between sizes?

Chuck Liu said:

Most of the spokes seem to come in even sizes. If I need
spokes of length 285mm, but only 284mm or 286mm are
available.... which spoke length should

I

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buy? Will the 286mm be too long?

Probably either will work. If the rim is a single wall
type (where the spoke nipple touches the rim strip), go
for the smaller size so that a protruding spoke won't
cause a puncture.

I've also heard that DT spokes are measured differently than
others. If you use Spocalc, you may need to add 1mm to get
the right DT size.

Ideally the spoke end should be flush with the top of
the nipple.

Art Harris

Chuck-<< Most of the spokes seem to come in even sizes. If I
need spokes of length 285mm, but only 284mm or 286mm are
available... >><BR><BR>

No, spokes come in 1mm lengths from low 200s thru 310 or
so. Places that stock or can get only even sizes are
bein lazy....

If ya need 285, get those-call us we have 14/15 from 258
thru 304 or so...every
MM.

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Chuck Liu said:

Most of the spokes seem to come in even sizes. If I need
spokes of length 285mm, but only 284mm or 286mm are
available.... which spoke length should I buy? Will the
286mm be too long? Thanks!

Spokes come in all sizes, metric and inch. There is nothing
to prevent a spoke being cut to any imaginable length.
Distributors generally stock in 1mm increments. Your LBS may
buy every other millimeter as a convenience and there's
nothing wrong with that. Generally a touch long is preferred
over a touch short but 1mm either way is seldom critical.

--
Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1
April, 1971

A Muzi said:

Chuck Liu said:

Most of the spokes seem to come in even sizes. If I need
spokes of length 285mm, but only 284mm or 286mm are
available.... which spoke length should I buy? Will the
286mm be too long? Thanks!

Spokes come in all sizes, metric and inch. There is
nothing to prevent a spoke being cut to any imaginable
length. Distributors generally stock in 1mm increments.
Your LBS may buy every other millimeter as a convenience
and there's nothing wrong with that. Generally a touch
long is preferred over a touch short but 1mm either way is
seldom critical.

You can also do halvsies by using different lengths for
leading/trailing spokes. F'rinstance, if you calculations
call for 294.5, you can use 294 leading and 295 trailing, if
you're truly anal about getting the "perfect" length.

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Will this work with a larger spread? Say 292 leading & 298
trailing for a calculated length of 295?

Any reason not to do it?

Thanks,

-Bruce-

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A Muzi said:

Chuck Liu said:

Most of the spokes seem to come in even sizes. If I
need spokes of length 285mm, but only 284mm or 286mm
are available.... which spoke length should I buy? Will
the 286mm be too long? Thanks!

Spokes come in all sizes, metric and inch. There is
nothing to prevent a spoke being cut to any imaginable
length. Distributors generally stock in 1mm increments.
Your LBS may buy every other millimeter as a convenience
and there's nothing wrong with that. Generally a touch
long is preferred over a touch short but 1mm either way
is seldom critical.

You can also do halvsies by using different lengths for
leading/trailing spokes. F'rinstance, if you calculations
call for 294.5, you can use 294 leading and 295 trailing,
if you're truly anal about getting the "perfect" length.

Sheldon "Split The Diff" Brown +---------------------------------------------------
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| Harry Turtledove |
+---------------------------------------------------+
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Spokes come in all sizes, metric and inch. There is
nothing to prevent a spoke being cut to any imaginable
length. Distributors generally stock in 1mm increments.
Your LBS may buy every other millimeter as a convenience
and there's nothing wrong with that. Generally a touch
long is preferred over a touch short but 1mm either way
is seldom critical.

I observed:

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You can also do halvsies by using different lengths for
leading/trailing spokes. F'rinstance, if you calculations
call for 294.5, you can use 294 leading and 295 trailing,
if you're truly anal about getting the "perfect" length.

Bruce Lange top-posted:

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Will this work with a larger spread? Say 292 leading &
298 trailing for a calculated length of 295?

Yep. I used to regularly do this, often by larger
differences as a preventative measure against fatigue
failure of the leading spokes.

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Any reason not to do it?

Nope.

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Sheldon Brown said:

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> Spokes come in all sizes, metric and inch. There is
> nothing to prevent a spoke being cut to any imaginable
> length. Distributors generally stock in 1mm increments.
> Your LBS may buy every other millimeter as a
> convenience and there's nothing wrong with that.
> Generally a touch long is preferred over a touch short
> but 1mm either way is seldom critical. I observed:

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You can also do halvsies by using different lengths for
leading/trailing spokes. F'rinstance, if you
calculations call for 294.5, you can use 294 leading and
295 trailing, if you're truly anal about getting the
"perfect" length.

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Will this work with a larger spread? Say 292 leading &
298 trailing for a calculated length of 295?

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Yep. I used to regularly do this, often by larger
differences as a preventative measure against fatigue
failure of the leading spokes.

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Any reason not to do it?

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Nope.

So is spoke-set, wheel-set, crank-set, frame-set, and
preventative the new paradigm? What's wrong with spokes,
wheels, cranks, frames and preventive. These guys are all
over the road(way) and ignore "danger road construction
ahead" signs that used to say "road work" affecting (oops,
impacting) cars on the road(way). Disirregardlessly of your
methodology, this is getting more longerer in the tooth with
every modifier and word extension.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

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So is spoke-set, wheel-set, crank-set, frame-set, and
preventative the new paradigm? What's wrong with spokes,
wheels, cranks, frames and preventive. These guys are all
over the road(way) and ignore "danger road construction
ahead" signs that used to say "road work" affecting (oops,
impacting) cars on the road(way). Disirregardlessly of
your methodology, this is getting more longerer in the
tooth with every modifier and word extension.

Sort of like having a user name of
[email hidden] instead of plain old
Jobst Brandt?

Bill "couldn't resist" S.

Jobst doesn't like unnecessary redundancies that serve no useful
function or purpose:

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So is spoke-set, wheel-set, crank-set, frame-set, and
preventative the new paradigm? What's wrong with spokes,
wheels, cranks, frames and preventive. These guys are all
over the road(way) and ignore "danger road construction
ahead" signs that used to say "road work" affecting (oops,
impacting) cars on the road(way). Disirregardlessly of
your methodology, this is getting more longerer in the
tooth with every modifier and word extension.

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Chuck Liu said:

Most of the spokes seem to come in even sizes. If I need
spokes of length 285mm, but only 284mm or 286mm are
available.... which spoke length should

I

Quoted message said:

buy? Will the 286mm be too long?

Probably either will work. If the rim is a single wall
type (where the spoke nipple touches the rim strip), go
for the smaller size so that a protruding spoke won't
cause a puncture.

I've also heard that DT spokes are measured differently
than others. If you use Spocalc, you may need to add 1mm
to get the right DT size.

like you(?), i thought DT measured to the outside of the
hook but not according to this: <dtswiss.comdtswiss.comOpen ↗
data/files/DAT_EN_30430224269.pdf>

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Ideally the spoke end should be flush with the top of
the nipple.

Art Harris

"Chuck Liu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Most of the spokes seem to come in even sizes. If I need
spokes of length 285mm, but only 284mm or 286mm are
available.... which spoke length should I buy? Will the
286mm be too long? Thanks!

you do know the spoke will stretch over 1-mm in use? i
would not worry about it if using brass nips but i
heard of Al nips breaking at the rim if the spoke is
not fully embedded.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:59:33 GMT, [email hidden]

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So is spoke-set, wheel-set, crank-set, frame-set, and
preventative the new paradigm? What's wrong with spokes,
wheels, cranks, frames and

A spokeset (I've never heard that term) would clearly
indicate a complete collection of spokes for a wheel.

A wheelset (Never heard this either) would clearly indicate
a complete pair of (usually matched) wheels to fit a single
bike (rather than any number of random "wheels", maybe a 16"
BMX rear and a 700c aero front).

A crankset clearly indicates gears and two arms. "Crank"
alone is unclear; it could refer to an arm or a set,
regardless (or disirregardlessly) of what the standard is --
we know that many people easily ignore standards.

Of course, that begs the question, why the word "Chainset"
for a crankset? That would be like referring to a handlebar
as a "Stemset".

Frameset? Well, IIRC, that's a word for a frame with an
installed fork. That's certainly different than a "frame",
which does not involve a fork and headset (or should we call
that a "head"?).

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preventive. These guys are all over the road(way) and
ignore "danger road construction ahead" signs that used to
say "road work" affecting

Sounds like lawyerese to me; but not nearly as bad as: "Shin
pads cannot protect any part of the body they do not cover."
(On a pair of shin guards made for bicyclists.)

It's also possible that there's no reason for it, just one
sign maker's product differing from another's.

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(oops, impacting) cars on the road(way).
Disirregardlessly of your

"impacting" is no longer than "affecting".

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methodology, this is getting more longerer in the tooth
with every modifier and word extension.

Sometimes it's good to eliminate ambiguity. It's not
necessary to reject all modifiers or extensions just because
some are silly.
--
Rick Onanian

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:42:27 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

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A wheelset (Never heard this either) would clearly
indicate a

On further reflection, I realize that I have seen that term
used, pretty commonly, and I just never found it notable.
--
Rick Onanian

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So is spoke-set, wheel-set, crank-set, frame-set, and
preventative the new paradigm? What's wrong with spokes,
wheels, cranks, frames and preventive. These guys are all
over the road(way) and ignore "danger road construction
ahead" signs that used to say "road work" affecting (oops,
impacting) cars on the road(way). Disirregardlessly of
your methodology, this is getting more longerer in the
tooth with every modifier and word extension.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

Jobst, I'll bet you don't watch TV weather reports. I've
heard the phrase "rain event" so often that I no longer have
anything to throw at the television.

Jeff

Jeff Wills said:

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So is spoke-set, wheel-set, crank-set, frame-set, and
preventative the new paradigm? What's wrong with spokes,
wheels, cranks, frames and preventive. These guys are all
over the road(way) and ignore "danger road construction
ahead" signs that used to say "road work" affecting
(oops, impacting) cars on the road(way).
Disirregardlessly of your methodology, this is getting
more longerer in the tooth with every modifier and word
extension.

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Jobst, I'll bet you don't watch TV weather reports. I've
heard the phrase "rain event" so often that I no longer
have anything to throw at the television.

Not to worry, my radio pumps out "shower activity" for
showers and "storm" for anything that isn't fair weather
during our brief winter here in the SF Bay Area. That goes
along with "tanker trucks" for tank trucks or just plain
tankers. These are of course also called "semi trucks"
when in fact they are semitrailer trucks rather than half
trucks as the words imply, but then our designation for
these should probably remain with "semis" for lack of a
better term.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]