SPOILER - Rails and rain.

Simon Mason said:

What chance do we have of getting cycle friendly rail crossings if a load of
Tour de France riders slide off on slanting rails in the outskirts of
Karlsruhe yesterday?

I hate tram tracks

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Simon Mason said:

What chance do we have of getting cycle friendly rail crossings if a load
of Tour de France riders slide off on slanting rails in the outskirts of
Karlsruhe yesterday?

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I hate tram tracks

I think these were actual railway lines - they managed to pass over the tram
lines in town without much of a problem.

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Simon Mason said:

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Simon Mason said:

What chance do we have of getting cycle friendly rail crossings if a load
of Tour de France riders slide off on slanting rails in the outskirts of
Karlsruhe yesterday?

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I hate tram tracks

I think these were actual railway lines - they managed to pass over the tram
lines in town without much of a problem.

Railway lines are less evil.. nearly always approachable at right angles.

We have one street in South melbourne where cunning new roadworks force
cyclists traveling straight ahead into the lane with the tram tracks.
You have the choice to try and stay in the foot wide gap to the left of
the tram tracks beside the 6 inch high blocks of concrete. And just
allow room for a car to pass which of course means they will. And cars
can;t drive on tram tracks either.. not in the wet anyway and melbourne
drivers are good at weaving to keep the wheels on the road.

Or cross at a very very shallow angle.. (Bunyhop anyone?)

We went down to have a look if these were as bad as we had heard. Yep.
Lethal

And we have tramtracks everywhere. Everyone has come off at least once
on tram tracks.

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Railway lines are less evil.. nearly always approachable at right angles.

But not here ;-)

http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/thebikezone/eastriding/springbank.html

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Simon Mason
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Railway lines are less evil.. nearly always approachable at right angles.

But not here ;-)

http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/thebikezone/eastriding/springbank.html

true.
I did say nearly

But tram tracks are everywhere

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Railway lines are less evil.. nearly always approachable at right angles.

But not here ;-)

http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/thebikezone/eastriding/springbank.html

Hmm, I think I would get off and push for a bit. What's it cost, 60s to
your journey time?

Schwalbe Big Apple tires maybe...?

On 07/09/2005 14:30:56 dave said:

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Simon Mason wrote:

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> What chance do we have of getting cycle friendly rail crossings if a
> load of Tour de France riders slide off on slanting rails in the
> outskirts of Karlsruhe yesterday?

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I hate tram tracks

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I think these were actual railway lines - they managed to pass over the
tram lines in town without much of a problem.

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Railway lines are less evil.. nearly always approachable at right angles.

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We have one street in South melbourne where cunning new roadworks force
cyclists traveling straight ahead into the lane with the tram tracks. You
have the choice to try and stay in the foot wide gap to the left of the
tram tracks beside the 6 inch high blocks of concrete. And just allow
room for a car to pass which of course means they will. And cars can;t
drive on tram tracks either.. not in the wet anyway and melbourne drivers
are good at weaving to keep the wheels on the road.

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Or cross at a very very shallow angle.. (Bunyhop anyone?)

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We went down to have a look if these were as bad as we had heard. Yep.
Lethal

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And we have tramtracks everywhere. Everyone has come off at least once on
tram tracks.

I never have any problems with them.

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Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

On 07/10/2005 00:41:14 dave said:

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I never have any problems with them.

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You have used a bike in melbourne (the tram capital of the universe) and
never even had a moment?

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Well there had to be someone I suppose.

Who said anything about a bike? Of course not in Melbourne, but Amsterdam,
amongst other places.

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Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

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On 07/10/2005 00:41:14 dave said:

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I never have any problems with them.

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You have used a bike in melbourne (the tram capital of the universe) and
never even had a moment?

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Well there had to be someone I suppose.

Who said anything about a bike? Of course not in Melbourne, but Amsterdam,
amongst other places.

Hmmmm Car drivers have less issues with em.. oddly. 🙂

Once they learn not to drive with all 4 wheels on them.

The odd person: including my flatmate who is a very average driver,
discovers tramlining while attempting to brake hard and puts a hole into
the scenery (or in her case a toyota full of musical instruments). But
most people figure that out and weave so as not to have all the wheels
on the tracks at the same time.

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Buck said:

On 07/10/2005 00:41:14 dave said:

Buck wrote:

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> I never have any problems with them.

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You have used a bike in melbourne (the tram capital of the universe) and
never even had a moment?

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Well there had to be someone I suppose.

Who said anything about a bike?

It was the uk.rec.cycling wot fooled me 🙁

Of course not in Melbourne,

WHy of course not in Melbourne. Many english visit us without harm.
SOme (poor deluded fools ) even like it

but

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Amsterdam,
amongst other places.

We have drugs and prostitutes too. We aint backward you know 😉

What other places? San Francisco (Many melbourne trams) Bendigo
(melbourne trams)

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>> "dave" == dave <[email hidden]> writes:

dave> We have one street in South melbourne where cunning new
dave> roadworks force cyclists traveling straight ahead into the
dave> lane with the tram tracks. You have the choice to try and stay
dave> in the foot wide gap to the left of the tram tracks beside the
dave> 6 inch high blocks of concrete. And just allow room for a car
dave> to pass which of course means they will. And cars can;t drive
dave> on tram tracks either.. not in the wet anyway and melbourne
dave> drivers are good at weaving to keep the wheels on the road.

It's been canned apparently.

http://www.bv.com.au/inform.php?a=7&b=145&c=792

I don't believe for a second it had anything to do with the negative
impact on cyclists. Probably more pertinent was the 20% reduction in
local trade.

That and it didn't work. Not even a little bit.
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On 07/10/2005 01:03:14 dave said:

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On 07/10/2005 00:41:14 dave <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Buck wrote:

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> I never have any problems with them.

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You have used a bike in melbourne (the tram capital of the universe) and
never even had a moment?

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Well there had to be someone I suppose.

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Who said anything about a bike? Of course not in Melbourne, but
Amsterdam, amongst other places.

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Hmmmm Car drivers have less issues with em.. oddly. 🙂

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Once they learn not to drive with all 4 wheels on them.

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The odd person: including my flatmate who is a very average driver,
discovers tramlining while attempting to brake hard and puts a hole into
the scenery (or in her case a toyota full of musical instruments). But
most people figure that out and weave so as not to have all the wheels on
the tracks at the same time.

Not a car either, trike.

--

Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

Euan said:

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>>>"dave" == dave <[email hidden]> writes:

dave> We have one street in South melbourne where cunning new
dave> roadworks force cyclists traveling straight ahead into the
dave> lane with the tram tracks. You have the choice to try and stay
dave> in the foot wide gap to the left of the tram tracks beside the
dave> 6 inch high blocks of concrete. And just allow room for a car
dave> to pass which of course means they will. And cars can;t drive
dave> on tram tracks either.. not in the wet anyway and melbourne
dave> drivers are good at weaving to keep the wheels on the road.

It's been canned apparently.

http://www.bv.com.au/inform.php?a=7&b=145&c=792

I don't believe for a second it had anything to do with the negative
impact on cyclists. Probably more pertinent was the 20% reduction in
local trade.

That and it didn't work. Not even a little bit.

Yeah I am with you. But

We went down to have a look, a woman weaved on the tramtrack nearly
sideswiping Ian and decided she wanted a park on the immediate far side
of the concrete so cut both of us off.

Absolutely lethal.

And you know if they had asked we could have told em it wouldnt work.
Who are these morons who know best 🙂

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On 07/10/2005 01:03:14 dave said:

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On 07/10/2005 00:41:14 dave <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Buck wrote:

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>>I never have any problems with them.

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>You have used a bike in melbourne (the tram capital of the universe) and
>never even had a moment?

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>Well there had to be someone I suppose.

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Who said anything about a bike? Of course not in Melbourne, but
Amsterdam, amongst other places.

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Hmmmm Car drivers have less issues with em.. oddly. 🙂

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Once they learn not to drive with all 4 wheels on them.

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The odd person: including my flatmate who is a very average driver,
discovers tramlining while attempting to brake hard and puts a hole into
the scenery (or in her case a toyota full of musical instruments). But
most people figure that out and weave so as not to have all the wheels on
the tracks at the same time.

Not a car either, trike.

Well without being very very out of control there is no way to have all
the trike wheels on the tram track at the same time. So no way to
totally lose traction.

You are just being dificult now 🙂

Mind you the only trike I have any time for is a morgan 3 wheeler.

On 07/10/2005 13:11:00 dave said:

Buck wrote:

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Not a car either, trike.

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Well without being very very out of control there is no way to have all
the trike wheels on the tram track at the same time. So no way to totally
lose traction.

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You are just being dificult now 🙂

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Mind you the only trike I have any time for is a morgan 3 wheeler.

In the home country of Greenspeed? Even Catrike has made an appearance
in Oz now.

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Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

"Simon Mason" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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What chance do we have of getting cycle friendly rail crossings if a load
of Tour de France riders slide off on slanting rails in the outskirts of
Karlsruhe yesterday?

Just belatedly watched this stage. It was so clearly an accident waiting to
happen that I'm amazed that the organisers didn't do anything to lessen the
risk.

Sure a solo cyclist should be able to spot and deal with hazards like that
(usually) but if you're in the middle of a peloton, you've got no chance.

Tim

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Just belatedly watched this stage. It was so clearly an accident waiting to
happen that I'm amazed that the organisers didn't do anything to lessen the
risk.

<cynic> They did - they mandated h*lm*ts </cynic>

Guy
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:10:09 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]>

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At Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:55:41 +0100, message
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Just belatedly watched this stage. It was so clearly an accident waiting to
happen that I'm amazed that the organisers didn't do anything to lessen the
risk.

<cynic> They did - they mandated h*lm*ts </cynic>

Cruel.

Funny, but cruel :-)